Talk:MSN Messenger/Archive 2

Shutting down?
This story from BBC reports that Windows Live will be terminated on November 2nd. I haven't seen anything about it anywhere else, so I'm really confused. Can anyone verify this? OneGyT /T|C 04:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That is not a genuine BBC website and is not a genuine news report. Users are allowed to create fake news stories on that website. --Pikablu0530 (talk) 04:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I missed that. Good grief. /facepalm on myself OneGyT /T|C 14:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

MSN Messenger
Considering this client is still required for Windows '95, '98, 2000 and Me users, surely there should still be a separate page rather than merging the two articles into one called "Windows Live Messenger"? I have just loaded live and still have MSN and Live MSN in my programs directory. Should MSN be deleted or can I leave both MSN and Live MSN there?
 * this is not a forum for general discussion. But FYI: there is no requirement to have any Messenger. You can delete one Messenger and the other should still work. --Waqas1987 (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Mac
I realize this probably doesn't belong here... but, has anybody been having problems with MSN Messenger for Mac since last night? i have been trying all day to download it again and as the download is about to finish my safari closes down and the download ends up incomplete... It could belong in the article if it's a widespread problem... if anyone has been having these problems or knows how to fix this I would like to know

Thank You -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernestato (talk • contribs)
 * Mac and Windows are differnt. Doesnt belong here. Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 18:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

License
Isn't Windows Live Messenger adware because it is ad-supported (like MSN Messenger)? The bottom of the main window has a small graphical banner, and the bottom of every conversation window has a single line text ad. Wilson 05:52, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I would have thought, but it seems ad-ware is now a term only used for software whose only purpose is serving ads. Dictionary.com and even Wikipedia think otherwise. 03:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It is ad-supported software. --Happynoodle 15:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I think this article needs a rewrite. Currently it looks like promotional material. - Sikon 19:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

It looks as if it's been taken from a Microsoft website... --86.136.161.207 14:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It was. Added it to copyright problems. - Sikon 15:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I vote that it be changed if not to Adware, but to "Advertising Supported" or Shareware--211.28.154.66 11:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See Voting is evil Matthew  Fenton  ( contribs ) 12:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * adware in my opinion, DEFINITLY NOT shareware. this should be changed HuGo_87 (talk) 05:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I dont know how to edit the fact box. This should be added: "License: Proprietary adware" Just like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Messenger —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.63.15.44 (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Version History
Any chance of adding this, like the list for Windows Vista? mysterious_w

I'm assuming you're refering to "Summary of builds" in the Windows Vista article? .. personally, I think that's a little excess, but I suppose that this could be added in a sperate article for Windows Live Messenger. Would you be interested in adding this? -- getcrunk   juice  contribs 13:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Distribution
There is no need for this anymore - windows live messenger is now in public beta Tomba 02:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

That is an incorrect statement. Open, public beta would allow anyone to download the beta, like Windows Defender. The beta is opened to invited users only, whether by other testers or Microsoft itself. Kyle 15:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Haha. and you want to be "in charge" of this page. You need to stop giving false information than. mess.be and msgshit.com both clearly indicate that WLM is in public beta now. you just need to sign into your .net passport, and anyone can use it. --razorwave 21:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that it doesn't matter what either of these pages have said...Microsoft itself has not declared the Messenger to be in open beta. Kyle 15:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Should the article be restructured and improved?
I am currently beta testing Windows Live Messenger. I have tested most of the current features. I could add a lot of content. Should I redo the article myself? Input welcome! If there's anything you want in the article, let me know! Kyle 16:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Kyle, you seem to be very new to Wikipedia. Nobody owns or is responsible for an article. So if somebody thinks that a change is to be made (and is appropriate), they will very well make it themselves. In the end, the basic idea is that it is as useful as possible to whoever comes across the page. As far as possible, you do not remove information/pictures as long as it is NOT INACCURATE; you just ADD to it. While you have included some very useful information, you keep removing others which are very well useful to the general public. This is considered not to be in the true spirit of Wikipedia. Please don't take this the wrong way.


 * Wouldn't releasing information on how to circumvent the authorization be considered illegal? Kyle 15:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say so, but I'm not sure. It's not much of an issue now anyway, seeing as Microsoft have produced a "universal invitation" in which anyone and everyone can sign up from. — FireFox • T [15:17, 3 April 2006]

Ability to choose color scheme
...Unless I am completely missing some difference, this features is also available in its predecessor, version 7.5 Abhorreo 22:58, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't remember myself, it's been such a long time since I used 7.5. I'm sure the ability to change the colour is available for the conversation window, but I'm not sure it was there for the contact list. — FireFox • T [09:47, 4 April 2006]
 * Sorry, I made a mistake, I didn't differentiate in between the ability to change the color for just the chat, and the contact list. I did a partial revert to the old version, and added what part of the feature is new. Abhorreo 10:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I use MSN messenger 7.0 and you can change the colour scheme for the conversation window so I presume that you can do it in MSN messenger 7.5

Audio and Video
How about some information about the audio and video conferencing with WLM from those who have used the beta version or know? Gary 03:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've used WLM, and the features are like MSN 7.5 but a little nicer and a whole lot buggier.--Delta Elite 02:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

PC to Phone feature
I would like to see much more information about this feature, its currently described very briefly. There should be some information about:

1- the actual name of the feature "Windows Live Phone Call" 2- the fact that this feature is powered by Verizon 3- some information on the fact that people needs to register at verizon.com before using it

Eshcorp 14:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Please put the info in. -- so U  m  y  a  S  ch  14:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

What is this? A gossip column?
"This name change, though subtle, may raise some difficulties. Over the years, the now defunct MSN Messenger has earned the internet slang and colloquial nickname of simply MSN. Often, when users of the product would say "Are you going on MSN tonight?", they were referring specifically to MSN Messenger, rather than the entire MSN network. With the introduction of Windows Live Messenger, it is uncertain as to whether the now inapplicable slang term "MSN" will remain among users. It may be assumed that the abbreviation given to Live Messenger, "WLM", will not catch on as the letter "W" has three syllables and is thus too lengthy. Alternatively, the letter "W" could be pronouced as "dub" to shorten the whole phrase to be pronounced as "dub-el-em"."

That whole paragraph was torture. Should definetly be changed.
 * Agreed. I shall remove it. Matthew Fenton (  TALK - CONTRIBS ) 09:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This is common in the United Kingdom, though. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 19:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What is common?-- Matthew Fenton (  TALK - CONTRIBS ) 19:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What the paragraph is saying is that in the UK at least, MSN Messenger is usually colloquially called just "MSN" rather than "Messenger". Thus, by removing any mention of the term "MSN", the paragraph is questioning whether this term will remain in common parlance.Bob 21:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Same in Canada as far as calling it "MSN" goes. I think this paragraph should be put back in -- a well-rounded encyclopedia article, IMO, should include not only technical information, but also the social aspects of the topic. Your thoughts? --Jvd897 12:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Same in argentina, we also call it just "MSN" HuGo_87 (talk) 14:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * (Except for the last line "dub-el-em". Utter nonsense.) --Jvd897 12:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, maybe.. But i think it needs a slight rewrite. Matthew Fenton [t/c] 13:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true. For the sake of diversity, I'll let someone else do that; perhaps you'd like to, Mr. Fenton. --Jvd897 18:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots
I have taken them of the login, chat window and colour picker. iIf anyone cares to do the other two please feel free to do so, If not i shall do them tommorow. Matthew Fenton ( TALK - CONTRIBS ) 21:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a screenshot of the main screen Cabe6403 20:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * We should realy provide screenshots WITHOUT "plus!", so as to show what it looks like un-modified. Not THAT much diference, yet, it's still not the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugo 87 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

section: History of Messenger split into new article (entitled: History of MSN Messenger)
I propose that it be split into its own article as the page is now pretty large, and as a rebranding has happend i believe that it would be more suited to its own article. Please comment below. Matthew Fenton [t/c] 20:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. —  Fire Fox  20:35, 21 June '06
 * Me too, go for it. Warrens 21:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Completed. Page can now be viewed at History of MSN Messenger (also added a link to See also) Good night. Matthew Fenton [t/c] 21:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I've also merged games and Apps into there own article. Matthew Fenton [t/c] 17:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Missing information / comments

 * The history section is blank; per the Manual of Style, we should have some text here summarising the history of the Messenger product.
 * The Features section only covers features new to version 8 of the product. This doesn't give an accurate description of the entire product, so this needs some significant expansion.
 * When referring to something that could apply to both "MSN Messenger" and "Windows Live Messenger", we probably should just refer to the product as simply "Messenger". Specific versions should still be denoted with their full name, e.g. MSN Messenger 7.0.  This name change is going to cause a lot of confusion over the next year or two, so we should do our best to present this as clearly and accurately as possible.
 * Is there any news of releasing Msn Messenger Live for other versions of Windows?

I would like to add a blog to the external links
Matthew Fenton is not letting me add a link to the MessUnit (http://messunit.com) unnoficcial Windows Live Messenger blog to the Windows Live Messenger page, he claims that im "link spamming" but it's only one site and its much more relevant than several of the other external links, I asked that if he was going to remove my link he should atleast be consistent and remove the link to the Hypothetic MSN Protocol site, because I know for a fact that that site only covers the much older MSN Messenger protocols and hasn't been updated for about 2 years!!! There are also links to several other unofficial sites like Mess.be and MSNPiki - both of which are sites for MSN Messenger and not Windows Live Messenger. This is clearly a case of favoritism. He is enforcing rules that don't exist, and if they do exist hes only enforcing them on the sites he dosn't like.

I am new to Wikipedia and I would appreciate your help. O-B-Trice


 * Hello, welcome to Wikipedia... I reviewed the blog you want to add a link to, and have decided to remove it. It doesn't pass Wikipedia's requirements for notability of web sites. Also, it's a blog that you yourself write – you'll find that there is a lot of resistance to people attempting to promote their own web sites here; we aren't an advertising service, blog directory, or a repository of arbitrary external links.  We're an encyclopedia.  There are plenty of good places on the Internet to promote your stuff, but this just isn't one of them.  If you would like to help out Wikipedia by contributing materially to the encyclopedia itself, however, that would be great!  Warrens 07:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I shall paste here what you removed from your talk page.
 * Your links fail WP:WEB and are non notable, your links also provide no significance to the article where as MSNPiki and Hypothetic do and they are notable (even tho hypothetic is outdated MSNP9/10 still work) Matthew Fenton (contribs) 07:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * People like you should not be using Wiki. The documentation does not cover the more complex aspects of MSNP9 nor MSNP10, I am knowledgable in that field. A blog directly relating to Windows Live Messeger is certainly relevant. I'm re-adding the blog link once again and If you remove it I will request arbitration.


 * I probably have more knowledge in the field than you do having worked with: MSNP8, 9, 10, 11 and 13 also major experiance in P4P (DPs, CEs, Ink and MSN Games) and also the SSL. Your links have no value in the article, if such links where to be included it would be notable websites that people frequent like mess.be.
 * The fact is your links are non-notable, however hypothetic is still widely used (even though outdated) as well as msnpiki and both are notable and serve a purpose, your links fail WP:WEB plus you are self promoting. Matthew  Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 07:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It is unlikely that you have more knowledge than me in that field, but thats not the point - The point is that Hypothetic is an out-dated site which documents the older protocols which are only used by the MSN Messenger client - not WLM. The MsnPiki is a blatent rip of Hypothetic with almost no real information on the newer protocols - MSNP12 / MSNP13 / MSNP14. Anyway it dosn't matter now.. All unofficial links have been removed and I'm happy with that outcome. Your efforts to control the Windows Live Messenger page have failed. O-B-Trice


 * To tell you the truth i am not botherd about protocol documentation being removed as i was apprehensive about having it there in the first place, also it is most likely i do have more knowledge in the field then you. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 09:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Screenshot gallery
Due to recent edits I have protected this page from editing. Placing copyright images in a gallery is not fair use. They must be used to assist critical commentary. ed g2s &bull; talk 21:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As long as Matthew or anyone else does not intend to restore the gallery, I would like to unprotect the page as soon as possible. ed g2s &bull; talk 21:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with the gallery may I ask? - Mike Beckham 21:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The images are under fair use liscense, using them in a gallery is not fair use, it is a copyright violation, as the images for fair use have to contribute significantly to the text they are accompaneing, these images did not accompany any text. Philc  TECI 22:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, why are you protecting a page on which you are involved in an edit dispute? This is expressly prohibited per Wikipedia's policy on protecting pages as stated in List of protected pages.  That's not how we resolve disputes on Wikipedia.  Matthew Fenton is a good, trustworthy editor and he'll listen to any reasoned argument put forward on the talk page, which wasn't done until after page protection took place.  -/- Warren 22:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you Warren, I did ask him to communicate on the talk page he however refused. I do however think Eds reign is coming to an end as he gets into to many disputes ad frequentley abuses power. I intend to ask him to stand down, if he does not wish to then it may have to go to arbitration. However i am unsure of this as i have never brought anything to arbitration before. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 22:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

This was a copyright issue, not a content dispute, so it was entirely appropriate to protect a legally "safe" version of the page. Matthew has heard these arguments before yet continues to start edit wars and behave in a childish manner, calling all around him vandals. ed g2s &bull; talk 22:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It clearly was vandalism, you were asked to converse. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 22:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See what I mean... ed g2s &bull; talk 22:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No i fail to see what you mean, sorry. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 22:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I didnt weant to involve myself in this but edit summarries such as (→Gallery - these screenshots do not justify themselves. only use when the subject of the text) and (rv. see comments. screenshots not fair use in gallery.) do not constitute as blatant vandalism. Philc  TECI 22:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The summarys are not in question, he was blanking sections. he was asked to converse, but refused (Also the vandalism warning is a pre-built in summary). Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 22:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You said it was clearly vandalism, stop changing the point to defend yourself. The fact was it wasnt clearly vandalism. Philc  TECI 22:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Nor did I refuse to converse. I left edit summaries and messages on your talk page. ed g2s &bull; talk 22:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, message received, you two don't like eachother. I humbly suggest an approach of mutual avoidance to keep stress levels down. This name-calling doesn't get the encyclopedia written. But for your own sake, ed g2s, don't call unnecessary trouble upon yourself by using page protection tools on a page you are otherwise editing for content concerns. The protection policy is very specific in stating that you, as an administrator, should contact another uninvolved administrator to protect pages if it's needed. We need you to set a good example as an administrator by following these policies precisely. Thanks. -/- Warren 22:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It may have been a bit soon to protect the page, but I can see Matthew makes some useful contributions, so I was reluctant to draw him into making more reverts and getting him blocked. ed g2s &bull; talk 23:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Fair enough... thanks for helping out with the article; we do indeed have to be very careful about how we use screenshots of copyrighted software. -/- Warren 00:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

A bit more criticism... has anyone else noticed?
Has anyone else noticed the complete lack of Aero support in WLM? I used WLM Beta for the longest time in XP, and the interface was 100x nicer than Luna (after using A-Patch to remove the ads). But now I'm the Windows Vista CPP, with Aero looking wicked cool, but leaves WLM looking archaic in comparison. It would be very nice if WLM supported the same glass effects that other MS external programs use (like Windows Media Player). I mention this here because I'm not sure if it's article material, especially if I'm the only one complaining. --ZeromaruTC 00:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it is pretty fugly, isn't it. I wouldn't be surprised if the next release of WLM is more Aero-friendly.  Vista's release is still four months away, so they've still got time to take care of this.... in the meantime, leave them feedback on their blog or something, make sure they've heard this. -/- Warren 00:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As per warren i wouldnt be suprised if the next release is aero freindly as it gets closer to vistas release. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 08:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

In the criticisum catagory, there seems to be something of a huge bug that's denying access and even making contacts vanish with the "Public" version of WLM. The doods say they're doing something about it, but they could of warned us BEFORE the thing went live? --Conan-san 15:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, several people including me have had their contacts list "vanish" as you put it when using WLM. Not only that, but trying to add contacts makes them appear offline, but still able to be messaged. We arn't sure whats going on but only thing we can think of is it happenes to people not having a hotmail adress. --OAM

This is now not so, current version uses aero, though it could do better. Should we drop this section? HuGo_87 (talk) 14:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

is there any technical info known yet
about how the msn-yahoo link works and how hard it will be for third party clients to support the feature? Plugwash 20:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Adding link to explain all of that70.101.201.248 18:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Censorship controversy
When i use any of these words (ie. download.php) in my messages nothing happens? The window does not close and the message goes though (contact confirmed this). I assume this statment is incorrect. -  L y n x y  - # T   # C   # M  18:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Previous versions censored text, its possible this was removed. Matthew <b style="color:#3366ff;"> Fenton  (</b> contribs <b style="color:#3366ff;">)</b> 17:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Could that be affected by the fact that "dangerous files" can be sent to contacts now? -- JD [ don't talk|email ] 17:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know where the window closing idea comes from, but it has never been like this, probably just misinterpreted. I have modified it a little bit, please check it all makes sense, me engrish bad. --203.211.77.226 08:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Censorship appears to be happening for all sites that end with .info and starts with http:// or www. If you try to send such a message, it does not send correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.203.72 (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone needs to merge the part of this article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_Messenger#Filtering_controversy I have verified it and both MediaFire and eBuddy are still filtered. 219.90.167.128 (talk) 08:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Noticed today that all messages containing a domain ending in ath.cx (used by Dyndns) are blocked. It must also have "http://" in front. So  http://ath.cx  is blocked; thisisatest.ath.cx is not blocked;  http://thisisatest.ath.cx  is blocked. --Greycellgreen (talk) 19:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Scrolling
I think the most constructive upgrade/improvement of Windows Live MEssenger in comparison to the older stuff is the fact that you can scroll in a message window without returning to the last received message everytime the person sends you a message! This makes it much easier to browse the previous conversations or whatever... and I think it's a very noteworthy piece of information to have in the main article... someone? --Scotteh 17:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You know what, i've never thought about that and yes it is a noteworthy piece of info ;-)!  Matthew Fenton  (Talk | Contribs) 17:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

whats the oldest windows version
that can run an official client thats up to date enough to still connect to the network? Plugwash 02:32, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I ran something like version 1.0 last year. thanks/User:MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 07:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

does anyone have any evidence of "windows live messenger" being used for the service (as apposed to the client)
clearly MS doesn't use the term this way (the service is known as the .net messenger service by them) and i don't think i've heared the term used at all outside of reffering specifically to the latest version of the official client. "msn" and "msn messenger" on the other hand are frequently used to reffer to the service rather than the client. Plugwash 01:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

WLM
I don't believe that WLM is correct. It wasn't like that in the article originally and MSN Messenger wasn't abbreviated MSNM and I've never seen WLM being used anywhere else. 149.135.50.153 05:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What part of "Windows Live Messenger" is unclear? It's a frequently used acronym/abbreviation for the software, including the version number (WLM 8.0.0689.00_Branches).  Leave the acronym alone.  ju66l3r 05:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Try googling for "wlm messenger". Somehow Google knows that WLM means Windows Live Messenger... if you look at the results, it's clear as day as to why: WLM is quickly becoming the de-facto acronym used by people who use the software.  Stating a commonly-used acronym is perfectly acceptable in Wikipedia articles; we do it on Windows 2000 to identify "Win2k" as a short-form of the name of that operating system, even though Microsoft doesn't use that terminology at all.  We don't need Microsoft's blessing to make acronyms. -/- Warren 05:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

If Microsoft doesn't use the term it shouldn't be used in an encyclopedia, therefore I'm removing it. 149.135.50.153 05:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh really now. And what policy or guidelines supports that view?  -/- Warren 05:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The Windows Media Player article doesn't mention (WMP) even though I've seen it used countless times. Why should we use WLM here? 149.135.50.153 05:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That's a logical fallacy...nobody said the WMP article was perfect. In fact, you're right, WMP is a common acronym for Windows Media Player, good catch.  I added it there to make up for the fact that it should have been there as well.  Thanks.  ju66l3r 05:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You didn't answer my question. Is that because you've come to the realisation that there is no Wikipedia policy which supports your view?  I hope so; perhaps it'll also mean you'll quit wasting your time with this pointless crusade.  Just leave it alone, and contribute something useful to the encyclopedia instead. -/- Warren 05:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Canadian English = realization not realisation. 149.135.50.153 06:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is clear that your evading your block as well now. thanks/User:MatthewFenton (talk • contribs) 07:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

"WLM" is used on the Windows Live Messenger blog, so I think that counts as being used by Microsoft. You've gotta go back a bit, November 2005 or so, but it is used by them. J Ditalk 13:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

WLM is also used for Windows Live Mail and possible any other product in the Windows Live range starting with "M". WLM is not an official acronym for Windows Live Messenger. It should not be used in an encylopedia as it is internet-slang, nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.196.253.16 (talk) 19:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Build 0812
Does anyone have any idea what's new in this build? I noticed the service would go down for along time quite often before. I hope this fixes it :)
 * Check out a messenger website like mess.be, you probably wont find information here till the offical beta is out (is it?) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Windows Mobile?
The article states that WLM is available for Windows Mobile. Would anyone be so kind as to give the link to it, as I can not find it. Thanks, Janipewter 14:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * WLM is not available for Windows Mobile. It's still called "MSN Messenger", and it is not downloadable. It is built-in to the OS. If your PDA does not have it built in, then I guess you will not be able to use it. In Windows Mobile 5.0, MSN Messenger is part of a suite called "Pocket MSN", accessible from the Today screen.

17 Percent of the Chinese market?
"Up to now, MSN Messenger has taken about 17 percent of the Chinese market, a figure which is becoming increasingly larger." - there is no source, or specific date attached to this claim. Is it an estimation? Is it an official number pushed from Microsoft? It doesn't say, and as such the figure's bias is questionable. This reference should either be attached to a reliable reference - changed to say "Some estimates..." or removed entirely.

Also, is the figure really becoming larger due to a higher proportion of the Chinese market using the service over competitors - or because a higher proportion are now accessing the internet from home?

61.69.3.10 09:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)Contributor

WLM 8.1 Public Beta
Just released, available at -- Grand Edgemaster  <sub style="color:red;">Talk  00:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

More criticism
Some features (e.g. Sharing Folders) work only if the user is in specific country. I think that's pretty f***ed up and should be added to the article. Doc17 21:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It also requires you use NTFS on your primary hard drive, or it won't enable folder sharing. This too should be noted HuGo_87 (talk) 14:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Competition section
In the Competition section of the article, Gaim is listed as a competitor. Gaim is a competing client, but it still connects to the same service. AIM and ICQ are completely different services. Shouldn't a distinction be made? — <span class="jeremysig" style="padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid #6AF; background-color: #CEF; color: #000;"> Jeremy <span class="jeremytalk" style="padding: 0.2em; border: 1px solid #FA6; border-left: none; background-color: #FEC; color: #000;"> Talk  04:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed that and I agree mate.  <B> Troubleshooter </B>   16:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

COLOR FROM BACKGROUND
another new feature is that a color is automatically chosen from a background you set. i knew another new function, but forgot it^^ maybe later... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.139.82.82 (talk) 06:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

other new functions
now you can enter your login-data at the start of the messener, and you can edit the sounds of incoming messages, etc. in teh options menu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.139.82.82 (talk) 22:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Sharing folders?
Any explanation of how the "Sharing Folders" work? The files are uploaded to MSN, hopefully stored securely, and wait to be downloaded? It might also be mentioned that it isn't an exact mirror. If I share file.doc with you, and you erase it, my copy is not erased. - TheMightyQuill 22:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Final
Was released yesterday (29th). Don't think it was downloadable until early this morning from the official WLM site.

Check out http://www.msgshit.com for where I got it. - JimmyK 08:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Vendor lock-in?
Do you think Messenger contributes to Vendor lock-in? Would it help to have a category identifying Category:Non-interoperable systems? The issue is being voted on, please contribute your vote / opinion: here. Pgr94 23:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It does as far as the service goes, but not completly as far as client goes. There are alternative clients, though microsoft doesn't open up the protocol, so the software lock-in is arguable. They do contribute IMO HuGo_87 (talk) 14:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Renamed 'Features' to 'Features new to Windows Live Messenger'
Since the article is written from the view that Windows Live Messenger supersedes MSN Messenger, there is no need to restate the features of MSN Messenger in this article. Thus I have removed some content that already appears in either the MSN Messenger article or the Games and applications for Windows Live Messenger article.59.167.107.105 06:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm
I found someone wrote an article about I'm， I think this should be expanded and mentioned in Windows Live Messenger. --Littlebtc 13:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

title
If the common title is indeed MSN or MSN Messenger, it should be there due to the policy of using the most common name, right? 11:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

WEB SITE TROUBLE!!
Ever checked the link given in the article to download the software? MS must have a huge problem at the moment. Absolutely nothing there, no elements (pull-down menus etc.). And no way to download the thing. I have recently sent the software to friends privately, as the MS site is so broken!! -andy 91.32.87.188 16:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? The website (in the infobox) works fine. Just to be sure it's http://get.live.com/messenger Swanny92 06:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You did not read to the end, did you? The website quoted in the infobox is actually http://get.live.com/messenger/ overview!! And this is the very problem: neither /overview nor /features works in my IE7 on Windows XP or 2003! Got it now? -andy 91.32.72.236 16:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've checked the site in the infobox on both IE7 and Firefox on Windows XP and they both work fine for me. Sorry, the site I typed down before, I didn't realise that get.live.com/messenger goes to a different site, compared to get.live.com/messenger/overview. I think it's safe to say that it is your problem that it doesn't work for you, as it works fine for me. Also, please cut out with the attitude next time you go to a discussion page. If you want a solution, I suggest trying out Mozilla Firefox. Swanny92 02:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Change on the way of displaying numbers in the inbox in version 8.1
I've updated recently to 8.1. However I've found a subtle change that I can't find documented anywhere. Next to the e-mail button on the main windows used to be a (0) when I didn't have messages. Now it has disappeared and I only have (1), (2), ... but not (0). On "Windows live messenger colour picker.png" you can see that there is no (0). Do you know if they changed this or it is due to some kind of misconfiguration on my computer? Thanks!


 * Yeah it's meant to be that way. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll add it into the article. Swanny92 05:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Orange Messenger by Windows Live
Do we have anything on this product yet?  AC Best  My Contributions  Autograph Book  19:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

MSN Messenger have URI like Aim and Yahoo?
I was wondering if anywhere there was a Windows Live Messenger like the Yahoo and AIM services currently have.

URI scheme
AOL Instant Messenger's installation process automatically installs an extra URI scheme ("protocol") handler into some web browsers, so that URIs beginning "<tt>aim:</tt>" can open a new AIM window with specified parameters. This is similar in function to the <tt>mailto:</tt> URI scheme, which creates a new e-mail message using the system's default mail program. For instance, a web page might include a link like the following in its HTML source to open a window for sending a message to the AIM user notarealuser:

To specify a message body, the  parameter is used, so that the link location might look like this:

To specify an away message, the message parameter is used, so that the link location might look like this: When placing this inside a URL link, an AIM user could click on the URL link and the away message "Hello, my name is Bill" would instantly become their away message.

In addition, these can be placed and used within AIM.

[] Link to the above

GamerzRepublic 15:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC) GamerzRepublic

--- There was a feature like that in the past version (aka MSN Messenger). There might add it again for WLHotmail. User:Amrykid

Can't sign in
Every time I try to sign in to WLM, I put in the correct password, but when I click the "sign in" button, it changes my password to an incorrect one (I notice this because an extra asterisk is automatically added to my password) and then says that it cannot verify my "account permissions." Is there any way to fix this problem? I tried to fix it by changing my password, but it continued. I then uninstalled it and then installed it again, but the problem still persisted. If this doesn't work out, I think I'll just give up and switch to AIM.--71.107.137.171 21:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

yea the same thing is happening to me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.247.113.71 (talk) 17:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Try using ur username and password and sign in to http://account.live.com . See if that works. --Pikablu0530 23:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * WLM always shows the same number of asterisks when you click log-in. It does the same when you open WLM, and the password is saved, This is done to avoid others from SEEING the amout of characters it has. I belive it always shows 8 asterisks, though this should be confirmed. HuGo_87 (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, apparently I have the same problem. As everyone else who used 7.5 had, I got told I needed to upgrade, but when I did, it got to the end of the download and wouldn't work. When I finally got it to work, I tried to log in, and had the same problem. The third time I re-downloaded it, it said I needed to also upgrade from Windows Live. Keeping in mind that I haven't been able to use Windows Live for months now, since gettin that virus that was mentioned in the article. I've tried re-d/l'ing it off a number of sites and links, and each time it either gets to the end and stops, syaing it doesn't have authentification or something, or finishes, only to not let me log in, or say I need to upgrade again. Help? Taker04 12:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)Taker

One common cause for this is that the computer time differs too much from real time. I don't know why Messnger can't report this, instead just saying: "Can't connect". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.139.252.215 (talk) 01:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Reference for Akonix statistics on number of Messenger threats?
The article says:
 * According to IM security researchers at Akonix, the number of new threats identified each month is 30 to 35, with a high of 88 in October, 2006

Is there some link to the source where this statistics was acquired from? I'm just curious about how fresh it is, and thus how reliable the high of 88 is (might have been surpassed in the recent year).

--212.16.103.33 17:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry -- I'll get that citation put in ASAP. Here on the talk page, I can tell you that it's always fresh, the up-to-date list of IM threats (including the ability to sort by which network, e.g. MSN, AOL, etc.) is available at www.imsecuritycenter.com. Akonix is the sponsor, but the IM Security Center is a collaborative effort in the industry, and acts as a clearinghouse for the security firms like Secunia, Sophos, Trend Micro, CA, Symantec, etc. I'm a regular contributor to Wikipedia, and keep the research and references up to date on my topics. -DKM- 18:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Windows Live Messenger Window.png
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The aptly named Appearing Offline
Hello

This is more of a question about MSN Windows Live Messenger, Does anyone know if such a way exsists to see if someone is appearing offline? It'd be great if someone could reply on my discussion page please.

Thanks in advance

Police,Mad,Jack —Preceding comment was added at 17:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

for questions like this you should ask Yahoo! Answers, this is a page to do with the software itself. but as far as I can tell, no. Chocobogamer (talk) 10:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

emesene
I added the client emesene to the list of compatible clients. Just my opinion, but I think it is the best (though not the most feature rich) WLM client for Linux. It's programmed in Python, so it's cross platform. At least to platforms with Python libraries. --NoobixCube (talk) 04:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

WLM 9.0
Why did someone delete my WLM 9.0 picture? Please answer, whoever did this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterOfTheXP (talk • contribs) 23:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

It was East 718 according to the logs. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Image:Windows-Live-Messenger-9_0.png 68.145.165.45 (talk) 19:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC) Anonymous

Privacy
What about privacy? Does Messenger store/log chats on a server or are messages sent through a DCC directly from one person to another? 71.112.198.228 (talk)

the white box
under a display picture...anyone know anything about it? is it worth mentioning on the main page?   chocobogamer      LOOK AT WHAT I DID   20:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's just a network bug or something, nothing of a big deal at the moment. Swanny92 (talk) 23:33, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

add-ons/mods
Wikipedia isn't a link repository, or a number of other things. The current third party section was just a repository of links and nothing further. If third party applications are truly a notable aspect of Windows Live Messenger, some evidence should be given to support that and a section discussing modding should be added, not simply a repository to some editors choice of sites.--221.143.25.19 (talk) 18:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

FAIL
More than one year ago, someone made a contribution with the edit summar "Stop. Windows Messenger must be linked!!!!¤¤!)"... A registered account responded with "nope", and now 2 years later, someone has linked to Windows Messenger like it should be. Very odd indeed, but I assume this is common sense on Wikipedia? Wikipedia is like a battlefield of information. 213.89.174.233 (talk) 09:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Adware
Windows live messenger has adware in it, so why is there no mention of this in the article? The adware being at the bottom of the main messenger window and in the bottom right hand corner of the Windows Live Today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.93.156 (talk) 11:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There needs to be significant proof that can address the unknown fact that you have stated. If you can cite a reference, you're good to go. And also, care to explain how Windows Live Messenger is considered Adware. (Please tell me from the perspective from the stable version of Windows Live Messenger, not its beta.)--AOL Alex (talk) 12:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * "ad-ware is any software package which automatically plays, displays, or downloads advertisements to a computer after the software is installed on it or while the application is being used" (source: Adware) The screenshot shows that WLM displays advertisments. There is little to be argued about this. HuGo_87 (talk) 14:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Adware and advertising-supported programs are NOT the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Einar414 (talk • contribs) 09:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
MSN Messenger should be merged into Windows Live Messenger.

REASONS:


 * They are the same piece of software; the same thing. There was a name change in 2006; that's it.
 * There is just one Hotmail article (as opposed to both "MSN Hotmail" and "Windows Live Hotmail").
 * There is just one Live Search article (as opposed to both "MSN Search" and "Live Search").
 * There is just one Microsoft Word article (as opposed to both "Microsoft Word" and "Microsoft Office Word").


 * Most sections of the MSN Messenger article, such as "Protocol," "Games and Applications," and "Malware," are straight copies of the same exact sections in the Windows Live Messenger article.


 * The entire version history of MSN Messenger is just 5.5 kilobytes long. It would not be too much to include in the Windows Live Messenger article.

--Samvscat (talk) 07:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Support It's surprising that it's taken this long, actually. The two articles talk about the exact same product, just with different branding.  Each one's history is also the other's history, and there don't seem to be any conflicts that would arise from combining the two. --Resplendent (talk) 14:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Support I agree it shoould be Merged. Just as long as it done properly with keeping history of old with progres of new one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueking12 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Support Been thinking of this for a long time. --Pudeo⺮ 11:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I merged it. Looks good to me. Here's hoping someone doesn't come along and revert the whole thing in one fell swoop without checking this discussion. --Samvscat (talk) 20:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

MSN Messenger is totally different than Windows Live Messenger. The MSN Messenger is a history article. So, please it should be reverted to its original form. A.h. king (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The entire contents of the old MSN Messenger article are already in the Windows Live Messenger article. To have 2 separate articles is completely redundant and unnecessary. See discussion and consensus above. --Samvscat (talk) 03:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Too Many Sections
I think the History section really should be condensed down to how it was previously. Having so many short sections for each version adds unnecessary complexity to the page. --Resplendent (talk) 00:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Pikablu0530 (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

14.0.8050.1202 is not beta
I have edited the info box, since the lastest version, released mid-December 2008 IS NOT a beta release, but a final release. I will shortly upload a new image for the talk window and the main window. --AllanVS talk contribs 06:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Atleast the download page says so to me atleast. And if I've understood it correctly, it's a release candidate 1, so it could be the final version, but if they deem it's not fit there will be a release candidate 2 and a final version. --Pudeo⺮ 12:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Check the Help section. If it was a Beta, it would say "About this Beta Release" or somthing like that, and when you checked the "About Messenger" it would should BETA in the info.  It is the final release. AllanVS talk contribs 00:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * no, the guy saying release candidate is correct. the release candidates they start stripping the software of beta tags as it is stable enough for general users to use. theres still a few beta tags around and changes will still be made to it, but more minor ones or aesthetic.   chocobogamer      mine   17:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)