Talk:MTA Regional Bus Operations bus fleet

Green Bus Orions were NOT from WMATA!
Green Bus's 5500 series Orions were not built for WMATA! they were built for New Orleans RTA. As evidence I offer:

In 1997, New Orl;eans RTA appears to have ordered 85 Orion 5's, to be numbered 97300-97384. During construction, 21 buses were rejected as follows:

Serials:

33215-253,255-296,298-301 New Orleans 97300-97384, 97319 to Green 5537, 97224 to Queens Surface 704, 97327 to Green 5544, 97331 to Red & Tan 1006, 97333-334 to Green 5538,5540, 97338 to Green 5541, 97340 to Red & Tan 1004, 97341 to Green 5542, 97344 to Red & Tan 1014, 97350 to Gray Line Houston 4021, 97351-352 to Red & Tan 1016,1002, 97356 to Red & Tan 1010, 97359 to Green 5539, 97360 to Red & Tan 1008, 97368 to Gray Line Houston 4022, 97369 to Green 5543, 97370 to Gray Line Houston 4023, 37375 to Red & Tan 1012, 97377 to Red & Tan 1028. Buses intended to be 97378-97384 were delivered as (2nd) 97319,97324,97327,97331,97333,97334,97338

The second part of the bus order was planned as 69 buses (97385-97453?? or 98400-98468??), serials 33405-416,418-427,429-435,446-472,475-487. However, only 13 were actually delivered to New Orleans. Serials 33405-11,13-15,18-20 came as (2nd) 97340,97341,97344,97350-97352,97356,97359,97360,97368-97370,97375, leaving the order with a final count of 76 buses, with 78 delivered to others. Of the 56 not delivered to New Orleans from this second batch, 36 went to Green as 5501-5536, 5 to Queens Surface as 700-703,705, 2 to Gray Line-Houston as 4020 and 4024, 4 to Valley as 3001,3012,3016,3017, 8 to HAML as 400-407, 1 to Arrow as 3505.

WMATA got their batch soon afterwards (Orion serials are assigned in build order). WMATA 4202-4412 are serials 33488-33698. Note the block is continuous.

A few months later, New Orleans did get another order from Orion, for 67 buses (98400-98466). Sadly, the vast majority of both the 97300 and 97400 series were destroyed in the Katrina disaster.

Andre- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.185.75 (talk) 02:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

MTA Bus/ NYCT Passenger capacity
test file -- 216.194.61.104 (talk) 07:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

RTS

 * RTS-06 transit Seating: 40, Standees: 40
 * 1984-1987 GMC RTS-06 Seating: 46 Standees: 27
 * 1993 TMC RTS-06 (ex-PBLs) Seating: 46, Standees: 30
 * 1996 RTS Suburban Seating: 35 Standees: 30
 * 1996 RTS-06 (2x2 seating w/ platforms) Seating: 43 Standees: 30

Orion

 * 1993 Orion V #173-316 Seating: 40, Standees: 40
 * 1993 and 1996 Orion V suburban #1XX, 611-630 Seating: 38, Standees: 30
 * The rest of Orion V buses (CNG and Diesel) Seating: 39, Standees: 40
 * MTA Bus 1997 Orion V: Seating: ??, Standees: ??
 * MTA Bus 1997-2000 Orion V CNG suburban: Seating: ??, Standees: ??
 * MTA Bus 1999-2000 Orion V CNG transit: Seating: 44, Standees: 30
 * MTA Bus 1999 Orion V Suburban: Seating: ??, Standees: ??

MCI

 * All MCI (Express) Buses Seating: 57, Standees: 13
 * 1988 MCI Classics Suburban Seating: 53, Standees: 15
 * 1989 MCI Classics Transit Seating: 50, Standees: 30

New Flyer

 * New Flyer D45 Viking Seating: 60, Standees: 15
 * New Flyer D60HF articulate bus Seating: 62 Standees: 80

Semi Low floor buses

 * New Flyer C40LF (CNG) Seating: 36, Standees: 35
 * Orion VII CNG Seating: 37, Standees: 35
 * 2004-2006 Orion VII Hybrid Seating: 38, Standees: 35
 * 2006-2007 Orion VII Hybrid Seating: 36, Standees: 45

Orion VII NG distribution

 * 3800-3829 went to MJQ depot
 * 3830-3899 went to MHV Depot
 * 3900-3949 went to MJQ Depot
 * 3950-3964 went to MHV Depot
 * 3965-4019 went to CAS depot
 * 4020-4039 went to LGA depot
 * 4040-4091 went to GH depot
 * 4092-4139 went to YUK depot
 * 4140-4169 went to JFK depot
 * 4170-4219 went to CS depot
 * 4220-4244 went to FLA depot
 * 4245-4278 went to CAS depot
 * 4330-4407 went to KB depot
 * 4408-4430 went to GH depot
 * 4431-4452 went to CAS Depot
 * 4453-4482 went to JAM depot
 * 4483-4512 went to LGA Depot
 * 4513-4570 went to GA Depot
 * 4571-4630 went to FLA Depot
 * 4631-4655 went to JFK Depot
 * 4656-4700 went to JAM Depot

GK tramrunner (talk) 01:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Additional column to show units in service
For the 1990's fleet roster, i have added another column to show what units are still in service. It would be easier that way to determine which units are still in service, especially since there are buses that are being retired within the 1990's fleet roster. --Xxshadow93xx (talk) 15:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Numerous issues with this article
This list contains a level of excess detail that does not interest a general audience, and almost none of it is sourced. Information such as which buses are out of service, or the details about the powertrain each bus has, does not belong on Wikipedia and should be removed. I have placed railfan editnotice on this page with little success, and the edit warring has resumed by the same users with no signs of abating. Please use this section to discuss, as have been suggested by administrators responding to the 3RR reports. Continued failure to do so will result in blocks and/or further page protection. The same holds true for photos - nobody WP:OWNs this article nor is it meant to serve to promote a user's photo gallery. Pinging as well as  who has some experience dealing with this sort of issue at MBTA Bus. – Train2104 (t • c) 03:35, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

> Powertrain details have been present on this particular page long before I started contributing (or probably seen as "vandalizing" by some) to the page, though admittedly some excess detail was added over time, not particularly by me (though I probably had a say in that detail here and there). To comply with the citations, I've been trying to give reasonable sources for "excess" detail (wreck units), placing citation needed for info that is correct. However, there is no way to source buses being retired in masses, since every roster out there is fan-made in a way, and will probably be deemed un-reliable right off the spot by admins. As for photos, the other user in question has been promoting his or her gallery, so I have no say for that - he or she should talk about his or her rationale. Mtattrain (talk) 16:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

> Adding on, while I don't agree with removing the amount of retiring buses in service, I honestly don't mind removing the amount of newer buses in service, as eventually the information will be wiped out. Don't think other users are with this idea though. Mtattrain (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Mtattrain. SportsFan007 (talk) 19:47, 31 October 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007

> Regarding the quantity of retiring buses, the MBTA Bus article, which I think one of the pinged users contributes to, has a number of active units column, further suggesting that such info shouldn't be removed from the article (unless he or she eventually plans to). As a heads up, I am reverting an edit on photos (mainly by user Olsen24) to one with more acceptable quality photos - in no way is this "promoting anyone's gallery," as I am not promoting my photos at all; in fact, as I see it, I am trying to do the reverse of "promoting user Olsen24's gallery." Don't know if everyone else will agree, but I just want to explain my rationale for removing Olsen24's images. Pinging. Mtattrain (talk) 21:29, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

> Pinging, who keeps removing edits to make the majority of the bus fleet photos from him or herself. Mtattrain (talk) 21:29, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Please don’t forget to sign your messages. SportsFan007 (talk) 15:40, 3 November 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007

> Fixed, sorry Mtattrain (talk) 21:29, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Photos
Please discuss here instead of discussing via edit summaries. SportsFan007 (talk) 04:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007

> I think I've stated points in the topic started by user Train2104. Feel free to let me know if I haven't given an adequate reason. Mtattrain (talk) 06:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

> The other user either does not understand the existence of talks for articles, or refuses to use them, outright reverting others' edits. Further action should be considered if this goes on... Mtattrain (talk) 17:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Removal of information
As per admin suggestions, I'll start the process of removing information deemed to be trivial. Initially, I will remove totally unsourced information and stuff that can be easily found on CPTDB wiki's article, but I will look into removing or rewording phrases regarding OOS units and whatnot. Mtattrain (talk) 05:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion for the Local and Limited bus fleet section
Can the Local and Limited bus fleet be divided into regular buses and articulated buses? SportsFan007 (talk) 03:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007

> To be fair, the "Length" column differentiates the buses pretty well (it actually could have been added when regular/articulated buses were joined from isolated sections, but I do not remember). Mtattrain (talk) 00:12, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Request for page protection
Can this page please be protected so that only logged in users can edit this page? There have been various disruptive edits from users that aren’t logged in.  SportsFan007  (talk) 19:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007

Locked
As over the last few days, especially, this page's history has become a warren of revert wars, I've locked the article from editing for a period of one week. The participants in editing the article are advised to discuss the content that is under dispute here on the talk page, and to come to a consensus about what should be included in the article, and what should be excluded, and how it should be presented, so that when the protection expires the article can be collegially and definitively set into an agreed-upon format. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The fact you resumed reverting all but instantly upon the expiration of the protection, without having made any attempt at building consensus during the protection (and, in fact, essentially, not editing at all during it), could very easily be taken as being WP:POINTy. Communication is required as part of editing Wikipedia, and a full protection is for the purpose of editors communicating over the issue that led to the protection. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:45, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll start this rodeo then. I propose that we implement the following, which I believe are in line with the MOS and Wikipedia guidelines:
 * Images: Each model of bus should have no more than one image per order (and, to reduce the length of the page, perhaps only one image per model). Images should show the whole bus with a wide enough crop to show at least some context; images like File:Novabus RTS on the Q27.jpg and File:MTA Bus QM4 bus at 55th St & 6th Ave.jpg are preferable to too-close crops like File:7026 S54.jpg. Images should be the highest quality available; a superior older image is preferable to an inferior but new image.
 * Dimensions: Dimensions should always use convert, both in tables and in prose. Lengths should be given to the nearest foot; the purpose of giving lengths is to give the general size (40-foot rigid, 45-foot over-the-road, 60-foot artic), not the size to the hundredth of the foot. Since most local buses are low-floor and express buses are high-floor, that can be explained before the charts and only exceptions need be noted.
 * Organization: The page should start with a general overview of the fleet (the lede, or a section), explaining concepts like the three basic sizes of buses, when the agency transitioned to low-floor buses, etc. It should then give charts for the local fleet, the express fleet, and the on-order fleet. The retired fleet can either have a link in the lede, or a section near the bottom with a paragraph; it should not be the first section of the page nor consist of a section with just a link.
 * Bus numbers: Fleet number ranges should be cited if possible, as should the number of units assigned to SBS. Individual buses should not be mentioned by number for being out of service, nor for trivial modifications like bike racks or different batteries, nor for renumberings. Similarly, the exact numbers of the first few buses delivered or in service, or the last few, or even the exact quantity in service at any one time, are not important. However, conversions to an entirely different type of fuel can be reliably cited, as can units preserved in museums or historical fleets.
 * Powertrain: The exact engine model, transmission, and/or battery type are unimportant; they are not useful to the reader seeking a general overview of the fleet or to identify a bus they saw. However, the general type of propulsion (diesel, hybrid, battery electric, etc) is useful and citeable.
 * General information: Absolutely nothing should be included here that is not ultimately supportable by some reliable source (MTA fleet plan, contract awards, etc), even if some sources may take some time to dig up.
 * I believe these guidelines should allow for a stable article (that does not require constant small edits for which reliable sources are impossible to find) that follows sitewide style and content policies. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:24, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree to these guidelines except for dimensions. If buses are slightly longer or shorter than 40 or 60 ft it should ne indicated. Also, estimating the amount of SBS units is not more effective as buses are transferred frequently. Olsen24 (talk) 17:19, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


 * How is this article supposed to be adequately sourced? The only websites that I have found that mention bus numbers and years ordered are fan websites.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Order years should be able to be established from documents like contract awards and fleet plans, which should be public documents (if sometimes tricky to find). Research papers / industry white papers and news stories can also fill in the gap. Two minutes of searching found some likely sources:
 * New York City Transit (NYCT) Hybrid (125 Order) and CNG Transit Buses Final Evaluation Results
 * NYCT Diesel Hybrid-Electric Buses Program Status Update
 * NYC to add 180 new articulated buses to fleet
 * Use of reliable sources is one of the cornerstones of Wikipedia. If information in this article cannot possibly be supported by reliable sources, then it should not be in the article. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:57, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that the articulated buses should be separated from the regular buses.  SportsFan007  (talk) 20:24, 26 December 2017 (UTC)SporsFan007
 * Standard and ARTICULATED buses are all part of the local fleet and therefore they should be together. Olsen24 (talk) 03:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * What I meant was separate tables in the Local Fleet section.  SportsFan007  (talk) 03:09, 27 December 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007
 * I know, i don't think that's necessary.Olsen24 (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please sign your messages.  SportsFan007  (talk) 21:55, 27 December 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007
 * Per WP:TPO, please do not edit other editors' comments on talk pages. If you belive the wording of the proposed guideline should be different than what is proposed, make your own comment with your proposed change instead of editing Pi.1415926535's post. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:05, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Why are you continuing to add overly precise lengths (which have no sources to support them) and reverting my reverts without comment? Your behavior is unacceptable. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The more specific lengths have been there before i started editing. I'm just keeping the trend going. I don't see the problem with it and the need for reverts.Olsen24 (talk) 03:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion
Since fully electric powered buses are starting to be introduced can a power source column be added specifics whether the bus are gas-powered or electric-powered?  SportsFan007  (talk) 01:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)SportsFan007

> I don't know, there are only one model of electric buses and they are clearly distinguished in the model column. Olsen24 (talk) 03:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

> Sounds like a plan Mtattrain (talk) 03:15, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Exact amount of SBS vehicles
I don't think the article should feature an exact amount of buses assigned to Select Bus Service, because buses are constantly wrapped and unwrapped from SBS duty. Mtattrain (talk) 08:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I think an estimated amount should be written instead of an exact amount. Olsen24 (talk) 13:37, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Linking to proterra
@Olsen24, I have been trying to link Proterra as linking bus manufacturers has been done with all other bus manufacturers (for the first time they occur in the roster). Please refrain from reverting edits regarding a link to the Proterra wikipedia page. Mtattrain (talk) 01:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I have restored the link. also reverted my edit, removing fleet numbers (as per the edit notice), without explanation. epicgenius (talk) 14:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

^ Thanks! I'll restore the link if it's reverted again (though there might be a time lag as I am not in the states right now) Mtattrain (talk) 08:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Images
If possible, can we use our own images (watermark free if possible) instead of grainy, low quality, unzoomable images from various other sources. Olsen24 (talk) 13:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

> Agreed, though to be fair, the images from other sources are good temporary solutions. Mtattrain (talk) 08:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

> Also, don't flatter your images. Mtattrain (talk) 05:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Image dimensions
can all new images being added be 800x600 (or close to this) It makes the picture more proportional. Olsen24 (talk) 02:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

>No Mtattrain (talk) 01:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Repetitive Cells in Columns
Can the repetitive cells in each column please be merged? It doesn’t make sense to have repetitive cells.  SportsFan007  (talk) 23:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

the year column looks better not merged and always has been that way. There is no reason to change it. Olsen24 (talk) 02:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit war
The article has been fully protected again. The next time an edit war breaks out, lengthy blocks may be handed out. If you cannot resolve the dispute here please look at WP:DRR for other options. --Neil N  talk to me 19:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Select Bus Fleet
would it be a good idea to put the table of the select fleet on the current active fleet page as well to have everything together? Olsen24 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Block Request
Can somebody please block Olsen24 from editing the page, he is continuing his behavior of making disruptive edits  SportsFan007  (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
 * Both editors have been blocked for two weeks. --Neil N  talk to me 22:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Orion Order
I believe the Orion VIIs should be in order of CNG then hybrid. Obviously other users disagree. Please leave your input here instead of starting edit wars. Olsen24 (talk) 15:05, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
 * That's ridiculous, and you are clearly the only one who thinks that. Ordering by date is more significant than ordering by fuel type. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:37, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

> I see nothing has changed (or will change at this rate). Mtattrain (talk) 19:44, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

>> Was I right or was I right? Mtattrain (talk) 22:34, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

>>> You were absolutely right!!! SportsFan007 (talk) 23:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

Regarding image replacements
@Olsen24, why are you so freaking concerned about having images on this particular article? Most users agree that many (not ALL) of your images are not better than the ones you are replacing, yet you treat not just my attempts but everyone else's attempts to restore some (again, NOT ALL) images as a "personal" injury to your ego (which transit fans in general seem to have very huge egos). Can it before admins take action on you again... this time permanently, perhaps... Mtattrain (talk) 18:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Olsen24, looks like you have a vendetta against me so I understand I'm talking to a wall... stop this nonsense. Mtattrain (talk) 14:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

, or should I say Olsen24, how's it going? Are you having fun reverting edits again? Mtattrain (talk) 00:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

2018 Nova Bus order
I've noticed that this entry was somehow removed from the list and I don't know why. It seems that this page has had a lot of problems - specifically people editing it without regard to what is accurate and inaccurate, sourced and unsourced. This is a reason why I rarely ever contribute to Wikipedia anymore. Can someone please find out what happened? Wslupecki (talk) 08:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That order is Select Bus Service only and is listed here. <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 19:47, 23 June 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

> To be honest, it should be included in the original "local" fleet table - orders with a smaller group of units in SBS duty are not specifically isolated. Mtattrain (talk) 10:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Motor Coach Industries
Quick question, am I wrong to think that Motor Coach Industries went defunct after it was acquired by New Flyer? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 02:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007

Question about recent edit
Out of curiosity, what did you mean by pre-SIM buses? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 05:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)SportsFan007
 * The new SIM-prefixed express bus routes.Tdorante10 (talk) 06:21, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion
Can we please add a column that says # in service? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 02:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

> I thought that was strongly opposed to especially by more experienced users. Mtattrain (talk) 01:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

SBS
should there be a route section on the SBS fleet table? Broadway22592 (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

SBS fleet operators
Can we add an operators column to the SBS fleet section? Or are do they all have the same operator? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 00:13, 23 March 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007 I have no objection to this but would recommend removing the empty column until it is decided to add this information.2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:AB (talk) 17:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

SBS fleet numbers
Are the fleet numbers for the SBS fleet available? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 05:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

That isn't included anymore because the numbers are constantly changing. 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:AB (talk) 15:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 16:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Totals (as of 3/27/2019)
The updated totals for retiring buses and delivering buses are as follows: 151 Nova Bus RTS 7 D60HF (100 series) 21 D60HF (5600-5700 Series) 6 Orion vii cng 114 2003-2004 Orion VII Hybrids 157 2018-2019 Nova LFS Artics 265 2019 XD40 7 2019 XD60

as for select fleet 36 2011 LFS Artic 157 2018 LFS Artic 7 2019 XD60 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:AB (talk) 17:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Done! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 18:59, 27 March 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Typo
There is a typo in the years column of the select bus table. Also removing the under delivery from the 2018 XD40s since all the XD40s going to SBS have been delivered. 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:5D (talk) 21:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Fixed! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 21:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

2019 XD60
The order of 2019 XD60S consists of 161 buses numbered between 6126-6286. They are only running under NYCT not MTA Bus yet. 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:5D (talk) 00:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Fixed! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 00:45, 28 March 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Future fleet
Does "To replace all remaining Orion VII Hybrids" include the Orion VII Next Generation buses? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 20:47, 28 March 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

I do not believe it does. It would specify Next Gens if it did 65.206.11.162 (talk) 14:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC) It means 6490-6689. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.41.29 (talk) 14:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

D60HF
the unrenumbered D60HF total is 4. since 101 is retired, the new range is 110-139, a total of 30 buses.2604:2000:D146:B000:51DD:6B0:A793:7FEF (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * updated! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Totals (as of 04/02/2019)
RTS - 123 Orion VII cng - 6 (condense total to 6 with a rowspan of 2) 2003 Orion VII hybrid - 114 XDE40 - 8 (delivery seems to be paused) 2019 Nova LFS artic - 160 2019 XD40 - 278 2019 Nova LFS - 8 2019 XD60 - 8 SBS 2011 LFS artic - 34 2019 LFS artic - 160 2019 XD60 - 8 remove delivery status since it doesn't always correspond with the full delivery 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:6F (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * updated! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

possible error
the "under delivery" was not removed from the 2019 LFS section of the SBS fleet. It could have been a mistake since it was removed from XD60 Section. Not sure if including phasing out is necessary.2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:6F (talk) 22:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
 * fixed! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Orion VII CNG
since 145 has been retired, the range is 7785-7819 with a total of 35 buses.2604:2000:D146:B000:3136:7716:3A43:BCF9 (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Fixed! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Totals as of 4/12/2019
RTS - 93 Orion VII CNG - 5 2003-2004 Orion VII Hybrid - 113 2015 XD40 - 392 - 7430&7442 retired from accident damage. 2019 XD40 - 290 2019 LFS - 27 2019 XD60 - 11 - use image from SBS table on regular table to fill empty image section.

SBS: 2011 LFS Artic - 28 2019 LFS Artic - 164 2019 XD60 - 11 65.206.11.162 (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Updated! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

2015 XD40 & Orion VII NG
The 2015 XD40 assigned to SBS operate only under MTA Bus not NYCT. Also, the Orion VII NGs assigned to SBS only run under NYCT not MTA Bus.65.206.11.162 (talk) 14:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Fixed! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 17:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

RTS & Orion 7
there are only 79 RTS's left in service and all of the 2005 Orion 7s are still in service making the total 200 not 199. 108.46.23.114 (talk) 13:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Updated and fixed! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 14:37, 15 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Orion VII CNG
7815-7819 are still in service. 7815 & 7816 were on bus time yesterday and 7819 is today.2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:50 (talk) 08:56, 20 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Reverted! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007

Totals (as of 04/28/2019)
RTS - 37 Orion vii cng - 5 - 7815-7819 still in service. Orion vii hybrid (green sign) - 111 2002 MCI - 30 - 2926 included. 2019 XD40 - 307 2019 XD60 - 20 - First MTA Bus delivered to LGA depot. 2019 LFS - 46

SBS: 2011 LFSA - 26 2019 XD60 - 20 2600:387:5:803:0:0:0:56 (talk) 19:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Updated! Also, the Orion VII CNGs are retired. <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 23:08, 28 April 2019 (UTC)SportsFan007


 * Thanks for the info about the Orion CNGs!2600:387:5:803:0:0:0:56 (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Totals (as of 05/11/2019)
2003 Orion VII Hybrid - 104 2019 XD40 - 314 2019 LFS - 81 2019 XD60 - 26 - operated by NYCT & MTA Bus SBS: 2011 LFSA - 18 2019 XD60 - 26 - operated by NYCT & MTA Bus 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:AF (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Updated! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 21:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Totals as of 06/26/2019
2002-2003 Orion VII (Green Sign) - 24 2005 Orion VII - 165 2015 XD40 - 392 - 2 units destroyed 2019 XD40 - 354 2019 LFS - 173 2019 XD60 - 38

SBS: 2019 XD60 - 38 - all units in SBS service. 2604:2000:D146:B000:488F:E928:F15A:269F (talk) 20:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Updated! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 23:02, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Totals as of 07/15/2019
Orion VII - 168 2019 XD40 - 361 2019 LFS - 198 2019 XD60 - 50

SBS:<Br> Orion VII NG - 21 2017 XD60 - 105 2019 XD60 - 50 12.110.163.195 (talk) 13:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Updates done! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Numerous Errors
There are many errors seen on this page, mostly in the model years section. The Errors are as follows: Orion VII 6490-6689 are all 2005 Models and 131 remain in service. LFS Artic 1200-1289 are all 2010 Models and 88 are active (2 destroyed in fires) and 19 in SBS duty. XD40 7090-7483 are all 2015 models. LFS 8090-8503 are all 2015 models. XD60 5364-5438 are all 2016 models. XD60 5987-6125 are all 2017 models. XN40 673-810 are all 2017 models. LFS Artic 5439-5602 are all 2018-2019 models. XE40 11-15 are 2018 models and Proterra are also 2018 models with numbers racing between 16 and 20 with a total of 5 in service. XD40 7484-7850 are all 2018-2019 units with all 367 currently delivered. There are only 367 units in this order not 422. LFS 8504-8754 are all 2019 models with 244 units delivered. XD60 6126-6286 are all 2019 models with 70 units currently delivered all in SBS service. Prevost 2490-2789 are all 2015-2016 models. 199.79.170.209 (talk) 15:07, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


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A couple things i forgot
As for model years: XN60 1000-1109 all are 2018 models. As for totals: 2018 Proterra - 5 units active numbered 16-20 2018-2019 XD40 - all units delivered (367) - numbers range from 7484-7850 only. 2019 LFS - 244 - delivery still in progress 2019 XD60 - 70 As for order: in the SBS the 2018-2019 XD40 row should be above the 2018-2019 LFS artic row. 199.79.168.209 (talk) 19:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


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Typo
0016-0020 is a total of 5 buses not 4 and the 2018-2019 XD40 delivery is complete so the phrase "under delivery" can be removed also add "under delivery" to 2019 LFS total since delivery isn't complete yet. Also 2019 XD60 SBS total is 70.199.79.168.209 (talk) 20:09, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ Your requested edits have been implemented!

Totals
2005 Orion VII - 128 2019 LFS - 249 2019 XD60 - 81 SBS: 2010 LFS - None left in SBS Service 2019 XD60 - 81 199.79.170.209 (talk) 16:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


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Local and Limited bus fleet
Can we add a column to indicate whether the buses are local and/or limited? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 19:42, 7 September 2019 (UTC) not sure whether that's necessary since the local and limited fleet is the same. This is also subject to change frequently and could be hard to keep up with.199.79.168.209 (talk) 20:17, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Express bus fleet (D4500 retirements)
Are there any update on the D4500 retirements? and also the D4500CLs? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 19:45, 7 September 2019 (UTC) The numbers regarding the D4500 (green signs) has not changed. There at 2 from 2001 and 30 from 2002 in service still. 199.79.168.209 (talk) 20:15, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

2019 XD60 Order
Is the 2019 XD60 order all SBS or will some of them be in Local and Limited service? I'm asking because this order is listed as fully in service on both SBS and Local and Limited. Also, if all of the current busus are SBS, then how is there an image of one of the buses in local and limited livery? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 04:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Can somebody please answer this? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 03:27, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Future Prevost order
Am I wrong to think that the number will continue on from the number of the previous Prevost order? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 05:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

> I don't really know or care about the numbering so I'm just going to wait until I see a picture of the new Prevost bus batch. Mtattrain (talk) 14:52, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

2005 Orion
There are 101 units in service. I can list all 101 units if you need that as proof. 199.79.169.209 (talk) 06:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

> You should probably do that instead of inciting an edit war. Mtattrain (talk) 23:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

My apologies, in hindsight that seemed a bit unnecessary. At least we have got things settled.199.79.170.209 (talk) 18:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

SBS fleet isolation
Don't think it's a good idea to isolate the SBS fleet from the rest of the fleet. Open to suggestions though. Mtattrain (talk) 18:17, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

updated totals
2005 Orion VII - 21 2006 Orion VII - 469

2002 MCI - 28 24.104.250.197 (talk) 21:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Blatant violation of WP:3RR by a sockpuppet
Could an admin please block or ban ? They have edited 3RR many times, and it is a nuisance and useless. I'll tag a few admins here to get their attention, sorry for doing that, but it needs to stop.

Thank you. Best, MTA Transit Fan  Chat!  03:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Model years
Please stop changing the model years without putting them into chronological order. Thank you! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 00:06, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

sorry! I forgot to save that edit on my end! Thanks for fixing! Best, MTA Transit Fan  Chat!  00:15, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Future Fleet
is there in any new information available for listing a future fleet here? <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Cant speak about future fleet but the hybrid orders have been expanded. LFS Hybrids go from 9620-9910 now and the XDE40s go from 9416-9499 & 9510-9619 leaving 9500-9509 out because those are the 2018 models.

ggggg
express bus fleet 74.64.107.39 (talk) 23:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Retired 2008 MTA Orion 7 NYC Next Gen Buses
When will the 2008 MTA Orion 7 NYC Next Gen Buses from Manhattanville be retired? 2601:192:4B40:1080:B436:B0AD:FD09:5571 (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Images are too small
I find that the images in the fleet table too small and are hard to see without clicking on them. I think 175px would be a better size and would be easier to see. Below are the same image in the current size of 128px and what it would look like in 175px.

TheTransitFanNY (talk) 20:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Model Years
Please stop changing the model years without putting them into chronological order. Thank you! <span style="background:#000000;font:Helvetica;padding:0.4em;font-size: 80%;border-radius: 2em;margin: 0.25em;k; color:#00FF00">SportsFan007 (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)