Talk:MTV Video Music Awards/Archive 1

Comment by Itsyvonne
Would it be appropriate to add information about VMA performers in this entry? For example, all the opening acts and closing acts at the very least? --Itsyvonne 05:00, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

WTF?
September 11th is, historically, a date synonymous with tragedy.

Beside the innumerable tragedies and acts of imperialism on the world stage attributed to this date, September 11th is notoriously bad for America. For example:

1857 - The Mountain Meadows Massacre in Utah 1919 - The US invades Honduras 2001 - The attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

and VERY tragically…

1970 - The Ford Pinto is introduced

Even Hollywood has been marred by this date. In 1921 Fatty Arbuckle was arrested for rape and then subsequently acquitted, although his career never recovered.

And now the coup de gras of all national and Hollywood tragedies proceeds tomorrow when "What Perez Sez" premieres on VH1.

God knows why shit-talking has become the leitmotif of E! and VH1, but with the introduction of an entire show centered around a talentless hack, it doesn't show any signs of changing.

Mario Armando Lavandeira Jr. (AKA Perez Hilton) has made his career waiting for miniscule celebrity screw-ups on which to inflate and then build his own reputation to make up for a failed career that actually would have required some sort of talent. Even the name, "Perez Hilton", is a novelty hack on the name of a talentless bitch that Lavandeira wishes he could be.

I'm not defending the celebrities Lavandeira skewers. Britney certainly wasn't in professional form. The VMA's certainly did suck all around. They sucked so bad that Alicia Keys finally had the chance to shine amidst more glamorous and popular hedonistic hollywood elitists (not to downplay the incredible performance by Chris Brown). Where I take issue with Lavandeira and his gossip predecessors, is that he is symptomatic of the plague that has infected the American psyche. We tune in to gossip shows to catch a glimpse of celebrities embarrassing themselves. The tabloids exist for this premise alone. Lavandeira is just the latest head popping up out of the hydra stump of gossip columnists who masquerade as being authorities on any topic. The most puke-inducing part of their form of celebrity is the undeserved air of accomplishment they take on. People take offense to the biased ramblings of puppet pundits like Anne Coulter, but we should truly be more concerned with the very existence of the phoney gossip elite. At least Coulter has an educated bias on real matters.

Funny enough, Lavandeira knows where his meals come from. He made the ludicrous claim that Britneys performance was disrespectful to MTV (Which owns VH1). Seriously dude, MTV is responsible, more than anyone else, for the destruction of any artistic merit in music today. They destroyed music so badly that it's hard to actually find music on Music Television, anymore.

How sad is it that after all is said and done, Justin Timberlake is the one with class amongst all these celebrities that are little more than persistent protoplasm? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Justin Timberlake! He simultaneously paid homage to the great performers that preceded him while humbly acknowledging the talent displayed after Browns performance. Seriously folks! I feel violated acknowledging this.

Well Mario, good luck with your show. I'm sure the public can't wait for you to out another gay man who just wants to be left alone. We'll be watching with baited breath as you attack celebrity fashion choices that you couldn't afford (although judging by many of your photos, you're in no place to talk). And, of course, we can't wait to hear you criticize performances that you wish you had the gaul, talent, budget, acumen, and/or creativity to do yourself. The viewing audience will be there in their envy and jealousy of the celebrities they pay to hate. I can already hear the sound of billions of neurons dying as their synaptic charges die out. Perhaps your show gives credence to social darwinism. Apparently it's time to thin the herd for humanities survival.

Never mind, you don't need luck with your show. It'll do just fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qabala (talk • contribs) 23:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

moon men
Anyone know the right format for this? Space or no space, capitalization, etc.? The article isn't consistent. --Andymussell 22:38, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Title
This page should be at "...Awards," not "...Award." It's about the show, not the moonman. Dave 18:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Done, since it's the proper form of the title. Pegasus1138 Talk 03:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * A request for the opposite has been posted below at . Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

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What year did Pink perform live at the MTV Video Music Awards?

International Viewer's Choice Awards
Does anyone know anything about these awards... I'm pretty sure they handed those out, but I don't know for how long or why. Should there be a page for them?

"Video Vanguard Award" status?
What's the status on the "Video Vanguard Award"? I know several people got one, is it still given out? If it is an official VMA category, could somebody add it to the list? Peter S. 16:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the last time they handed it out was in 2001, to U2... and it was an off-and-on category... not really an annual thing. If you want to make the article, though, the Spanish Wikipedia article on the VMAs has the winners to Video Vanguard--Andresg770 22:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Video Selection
Can anyone add to the article the process of selecting nominees and winners for the awards? There's no mentioning of how the videos are picked... Thanks.

Could Someone.....
Add what 50 said to Fat Joe in the 2005 MTV Video Music Awards after his performence. we have Fat Joe's line and wanted to see 50's cause I could not understand what he said

2006 Voting
This year you can vote for the nominee you want to win in most of the catagories. It hasent always been like that has it?TPREX 22:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Nah... it's never been like that... the MTV Video Music Awards used to be one of the few MTV awards worldwide where you couldn't vote for the winner... until this year, that is. --Andresg770 23:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

2005
The entry about My Chemical Romance makes very little sense. I would clean it up but the only reference for the info is a TV interview.Smackfu 03:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't each year get it's own article.

My Chemical Romance Edit
I changed the classification of My Chemical Romance from 'emo' to just rock.

Bring Back "Rock n Roll"
Come on MTV let's bring back the real Rock n Roll that made MTV. Judging by the show Thursday evening no one cares much about R&B, Hip Hop and Pop anymore. It's the same ole artists year after year and that had to be the worst show to date. The artistis didn't even show much excitement, I've seen Justin Timebrlake and Shakira put our more energy in other performances. I also caught onto the artists always reminding the audience to cheer, that's pathetic. AL Gore and Axle Rose had more applause than anyone else, so what's that tell you. Bring back the true artists who know how to "rock the house"

There are so many mucisians out there, surely you can do better. I sure hope to see SuperNova next year which reminds me, the contestants to be the next front man or women for SuperNova are by far better performers than what you call entertainment.

Local Video Music Awards
MTV Music Awards often refers the the local versions. It would be nice with links to all the local versions. -- carewolf

Show
I can give general advice but I don't know anything about the music business, that show seem a great opportunity but on the personal aspect it seem too soon to do anything... I suppose if she's certain to be good there it could help to do it but if she have a single doubt she won't be good then don't do it, she's not allowed to do a mistake there... Also it's certain I wouldn't do a "comeback" now I don't think she's ready and peoples will never take her seriously after all the bad publicity she had in the last years... 70.55.122.10 07:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No mistake
I can give general advice but I don't know anything about the music business, that show seem a great opportunity but on the personal aspect it seem too soon to do anything... I suppose if she's certain to be good there it could help to do it but if she have a single doubt she won't be good then don't do it, she's not allowed to do a mistake there... Also it's certain I wouldn't do a "comeback" now I don't think she's ready and peoples will never take her seriously after all the bad publicity she had in the last years...70.55.122.10 07:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Page title?
Most awards shows are page titled singular (Video Music Award) so that if anyone is writing an article, they can link to either "Bob won aVideo Music Award" or "Bob went to the Video Music Awards" (see: Grammy Award, Emmy Award, Juno Award, etc.; but this article puts the "s" on. Should it be moved to MTV Video Music Award for easier use? TheHYPO (talk) 22:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. All the other major awards follow WP:SINGULAR. Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Page cleaned up, Sources added, "host cities" merged
I tried to clean up the entirely over-long "Notable Moments" section, as well as added references. I also took the liberty of merging the "VMA Host Cities" article with this one, as it applied directly to this page, and didn't need it's own page. Rwiggum (talk) 17:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

VMA 2008
The host cities section states the 2008 awards to be held in NYC, however, this appears to have not been yet confirmed. If it is true the source to the info. needs to be cited 65.8.148.78 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

THE LOCATIONS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED! AND THEY WILL BE ALL OVER L.A. THIS YEAR, AT MULTIPLE STAGES, HOTELS AND STREETS, IN HONOR OF THE 25TH YEAR.
 * Do you have any sources for that? Rwiggum  (Talk /Contrib ) 05:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He might not, but I do: --Andresg770 (talk) 14:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Russell Brand and Tokio Hotel
russell brand talking about jonas b's rings and jbs responding.this was practically the biggest event of vma's 2008. so, tokio hotel fans, th's award was NOTHING compared to Russell Brand and jb, so stop editing it to make th look like a bunch of heroes. jonas brothers or bust. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emaanjonas (talk • contribs) 01:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

SEPERATE ARTICLES
i really think each year's vma should have its own article. where they can list the performers, the host,the controversies, and other important things.it juts doesnt make sense to have one big one, because it leaves out half the really important stuff that happened. if we cant go back and make articles for past years, please, lets start with 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.211.181 (talk) 21:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They already do; this is just the article for the award ceremony in general. You're more than welcome, though, to add relevant information to the yearly articles.--Andresg770 (talk) 00:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Why aren't the yearly articles linked to from this page in any way except for the collapsible box at the bottom which users unfamiliar with wikipedia may not find? --Deutschgirl (talk) 17:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Possibility for deleting text: am I missing something?
I noticed that the word 'sucker' seems to be have inserted here, near the end of the Notable Moments (2000) section. However, I may be missing some meaning in the sentence, or it may even be another name... I've really no idea, just was casually browsing and thought someone should know!

...It is reported that Kid Rock sucker punched Tommy Lee in his back...

Ivalice1994 (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

The term "sucker punch" means someone got hit without expecting to. This might be considered weasel words or unnecessary slang/informal word usage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.162.122.6 (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is Brittany mentioned in every vma since the 99 awards?? Just because her outfit was revealing or she danced like a crazy bitch with a snake??? That's not something to remark

Major Awards?
Hello. I have proposed at that we add the following two awards to Category 8 of WP:BAND, reflecting that they are major awards:  the American Music Awards and the MTV Video Music Awards.

Feel free to join that discussion with your thoughts (whatever they may be), or simply follow it, if you like. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Youngest Winners?
this whole youngest winners section is just a way for Justin Bieber's name to get mentioned. If there is only one person under "youngest winnerS" then whats the point of it? 74.105.208.27 (talk) 01:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Ratings
Here are the ratings for the shows. If someone wants to add a section they can. Allwham (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Most Wins
People keep changing Beyonce's wins from 10 to 12 stating her wins with Destiny's Child are valid, however, if this is the case wouldn't Justin Timberlake be second on the list because of his 7 solo and 7 with NSYNC. These people are not following proper procedures and are completely ignoring the main source, MTV.com itself. If you go by the most wins on MTV.com Beyonce only has 10, period, done. Can someone please help solve this problem because this anonymous IP has the nerve to send me warnings when I am just contributing positive and valid information and helping to keep this document accurate. They have no right to just change this document when they aren't even registered with wikipedia. Just because they probably favor Beyonce does not justify there reasoning. Facts are facts, point blank. If any news on the problem or resolutions please get back.

Thanks soooo much. Teairra989 (talk) 03:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Justin Beiber Picture
Aren't there any other pictures you could use from that night? Like the meat dress, Cher, Eminem, or anything from that night that was far more significant then Justin Bieber. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.33.191 (talk) 00:33, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

2011
The 2011 section seems to be written as rather bias and an editorial-like recap of the show. E.G. "Chris Brown gave a memorable performance" 203.173.30.230 (talk) 08:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

2012 Host City?
Any references for the 2012 host city? Frischee113 (talk) 04:21, 1 October 2011 (UTC)Frischee113

2011 Images
So I fixed the placement of Gaga's photo just to even everything out, but looking at the section I really think we could afford to lose at least one of the three images. Anyone agree? And if so, which one(s)? -- Electric Ooh La La, Who brings a gun to a knife fight? The winner. 02:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Who gets credit in the technical categories?
There are various "technical" categories in the VMAs like direction, cinematography, editing, choreography, etc. Based on the numbers of awards credited to various musical artists in this article, it looks like the performer gets credit for the award even if they weren't the director, cinematographer, editor, choreographer, etc. For example, Peter Gabriel is listed as having won 10 awards for "Sledgehammer", but that includes awards for Best Direction (done by Stephen R. Johnson), Special Effects (Peter Lord), Art Direction (the Brothers Quay), and Editing (Colin Green).

Is it correct to say that the performer gets credit for winning the VMA regardless of who performed the function for the video? And does the person who actually did the job of directing, editing, etc. also get credit for winning the award, too, or just the performer? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:11, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Both do, which is why all articles for VMA ceremonies now list the professionals in charge who received the nominations. To put it more accurately, though, the technical awards count towards an artist's total of nominations and wins (as seen here:  http://www.mtv.com/ontv/vma/multiple-winners.jhtml).  However, whether or not they get actual Moonmen for those I do not know.  Presumably they do, but I couldn't tell you in fact.  I have read interviews and biographies of directors, choreographers, etc., who refer to the Moonmen they've won for tech awards, but never artists (though presumably they do, too)...  Hope this helps!  (And if you find anything else about it, please do share on this page, since I'm sure I'm not the only one who's curious.  --Andresg770 (talk) 04:26, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. That resolves the issue of whether the performers get credit for winning VMAs in the technical categories. However, the professionals who have won the most VMAs should be listed in the list of top all-time winners, too. Frank Gatson has won six Best Choreography VMAs, Michael Rooney has won five in that category, and Spike Jonze has won five VMAs -- three for Direction and two for Choreography, including his pseudonymous wins as the Torrance Community Dance Group and Richard Koufey. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:51, 16 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Well... the thing is that the VMAs are actually very problematic when it comes to determining who gets a Moonman. With professionals like editors, DoPs, etc., there's evidence that they get awards for their own categories:  see Jeremiah Shuff's 2012 Moonman for Editing here and Laurieann Gibson's 2010 Moonman for Choreography here.
 * However, when it comes to directors, things get tricky. Directors obviously get a Moonman for Best Direction; and Breakthrough Video is actually also a collaborative director-actor award (see director Chris Marrs Piliero's 2010 Moonman for that award here).  On top of that, directors have gotten Moonmen for general awards:  Here you have director Gus Van Sant's Moonman for "Under the Bridge" (1992 Viewer's Choice), and here is director Meiert Avis's Moonman for "With or Without You" (1987 Viewer's Choice).
 * And to make things even more complicated, managers have been known to get Moonmen, too. For instance, if you look here, there are a lot Madonna Moonmen up for auction, but the name on them is Caressa Norman's (her manager at the time).  And here is the Moonman that Alan Niven, Guns n' Roses' manager, got for their 1988 Best New Artist win.
 * The problem, though, is that MTV hasn't really made this kind of information public, so it's almost impossible to have an accurate idea. That's why in the past I've personally shied away from putting professionals on that table.  However, if you want to undertake that task and see if you can dig up more info, I think it'd be very valuable to this article.  --Andresg770 (talk) 04:28, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think what we need is the official award winner designations by MTV. To use an analogy, at the Academy Awards, the Best Foreign Language Film statuette is presented to the film's director, but the director is not the official recipient -- the country is. That's not how I would do things if I were running the Academy, but it is how winners are listed in the official Oscar database. The MTV VMAs may give Moonman trophies to various people in addition to the official award recipient(s), but what I would like to see is a list of the official award recipients. I don't think I'm going to try to edit the list of top winners to add nonperformers until I can find some better sourcing. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Cockiness
Rihanna Performed Cockiness then We Found Love last year.. this needs to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.133.53 (talk) 09:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

This article is a mess
Seriously, it needs to be re-formatted, the language needs to be cleaned up to make some damn sense, and on top of that there is an awful lot of missing information.

can someone flag this page for revising?

Bumblebritches57 (talk) 10:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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Why is this singular? It makes no sense. It should be MTV Video Music Awards as the event itself is the subject, not an individual award. See Academy Awards. Like the Oscars, the MTV VMAs are largely about the entire spectacle, the performances, the presenters etc. —Мандичка YO 😜 02:53, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


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Best Lyric Video
What is the story with this category? 5 Seconds of Summer won this award in 2014. Did the category get renamed or does it no longer exist? Mobile mundo (talk) 12:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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