Talk:Ma'ale Iron

Merge suggestion
I suggest merging any and all articles about villages in Ma'ale Iron into this article. I don't believe we need several stubs which represent a single small town. There are similar precedents for merged towns, both Jewish and Arab, like Modi'in, Yehud-Monosson, Ka'abiyye-Tabbash-Hajajre, etc. —Ynhockey (Talk) 09:36, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree, a redirect should suffice. We could provide information about the various villages in separate subsections like we did with Shaghur. --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. Zerotalk 16:28, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

History
It is going to be a nightmare writing the history of this place. We need to start a place, lets start by collecting sources here. The one that could possibly need its own article is Salim, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Baiada

 * Not on PEF map. Appears on 1938 map as Kh. al Baiyada.

Musheirifa

 * SWP II: p. 45
 * Palmer: El Mesheirfeh, "the high places" p. 151
 * 1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
 * 1931: p. 69
 * Hadawi: counted under Umm al-Fahm;

Musmus

 * Guerin 1875: pp. 238 -239
 * SWP II: p. 45
 * Palmer: p. 151
 * 1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
 * 1931:  p. 69
 * Hadawi: counted under Umm al-Fahm;

Al-Murtafi'a
Pr talk with Number_57, I include it here. (It presently redirect here)  ..but awaiting 2nd opinion.


 * SWP II: Murtefeh p. 68
 * Palmer: p. 151
 * 1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
 * 1931: p. 69 ?
 * Hadawi: counted under Umm al-Fahm;

Salim

 * Dauphin pp. 740-1
 * Cohen, Michael and Mordechai Haiman (29/05/2008): Salim Final Report
 * Mahamid, Khaled (11/12/2006); Salim (East)
 * HA 159
 * Guerin 1875: pp. 230-232
 * Palmer: p. 152
 * SWP II: pp. 45,  68
 * 1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
 * 1931: p. 70
 * Hadawi: counted under Rummanah

Zalafa

 * Horbat Zalafa (HA-ESI 110:91) <--- we should get this, it is referred to in Mahamid, (2006); Salim (East)
 * Guerin 1875: p. 232
 * Palmer: Zelefeh: "the cisterns" p. 156
 * SWP II:  p.  72  (correct coords on sheet VIII are Mk but this gives non-existent coords Lf)
 * 1922: Barron, 1923, Table IX, Sub-district of Jenin, p. 30
 * 1931: p. 71
 * Hadawi: pp.  55 100, 150

How on earth are we going to organise this? Huldra (talk) 22:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Some simple information, such as the population data from 1596, 1922, 1931, 1945 and later (I can provide 1949) can be presented as a table perhaps? Zerotalk 23:38, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


 * The approximate coords are 166/217. Zerotalk 00:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds sensible. However, first of all we need to make sure which villages actually goes into Ma'ale Iron,  i.e. confirmation that Al-Murtafi'a is included. And do you know how we could get a copy of HA-ESI 110 (for Zalafa)? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I will have it soon. Zerotalk 23:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

A couple of points,

 * Al-Murtafi'a presently redirects here...should it? Should we make it an article?
 * I propose that we remove the "Bibliography"-section, and the Pal.rem -sites which presently are in the articles. Any objections? Huldra (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Al-Murtafi'a is a neighborhood of Zalafa. Information should be Zalafa's article, there's no need to an article of it self. Al-Murtafi'a should redirect to Zalafa just in case one day in the future someone will link it. It was under Umm el-Fahm's municipal boundaries in the past.
 * No objection.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 21:48, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Ok, then Zalafa should be expanded with all the Al-Murtafi'a stuff, mentioned above, Huldra (talk) 22:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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