Talk:Mašín

The page at the moment is very biased (which is obvious since the first sentence). Moreover, I believe the picture is inappropriate and probably copyvio. I don't have time right now to rewrite the article, I hope to get to it later. --Mormegil 09:48, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

role of masin bros.
why do you think that it is biased? Communists are robbers and murders. They got into slavery all Czechoslovakia for more than 40 years. I am not against some changes in text, but I still think that if most Czechoslovakians were so brave as Masins were, there shall be no communism/socialism in Czechoslovakia.


 * In regard to NPOV, it is quite not important what do you think.
 * In Czechia, there is a longstanding debate whether Masin brothers should be medaled or called murderers. They have been rehabilitated only partially. The proposal for their decoration has been denied by the president. Some of their deeds, especially the killing of a handcuffed policeman, are at least controversial.
 * To put it short – their role is definitely not understood as clearly positive, so the article saying only that they are heroes is clearly biased.
 * --Mormegil 16:36, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * P.S. A personal comment: Alternative history is an appealing genre of science-fiction, but it is quite hard to do properly. If most Czechoslovakians were so brave, there would be no communism in Czechoslovakia… so what would be there instead? A civil war? (I hope you know that the communist party actually won the first election in 1946?) And, do you really believe that if most of the Czech people would express their dissatisfaction with the communist regime (and USSR) that the USSR would simple say „OK, so join the western part of the world, we'll just move the curtain a thousand kilometers to the east (to our borders), no problem here…“?

ad pagina et ad historia
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 * I would leave this page with mention of current controversy and few very short sentences about it, deeply explaining current views on the events seems non-appropriate and non-encyclopedic to me.
 * --Cbb -talk- 17:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I just cleared Adam's article because a Czech article in anything but helpful in the English Wikipedia. He may either translate it or put it on the corresponding page of Czech Wikipedia. Readers who understand Czech and want to read it may look into the history of this page. --Don.Rumata 11:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

In English, please
It would be very helpful for those of us who do not understand Czech, if comments and discussion would be kept in English in the English Wiki-pages. I am only writing this because I would find it interesting to read and understand the previous contribution to this debate and find out what this guy, Adam, actually thinks of the Mašin Brothers issue.

/Regards, M

WP:MilHist Assessment
While this article is, overall, longer than a stub, and even contains pictures, each individual section is quite short. If this were split into separate articles on the name, the father, and the son, each would most definitely be counted as a stub. Much expansion is needed. Also, some grammatical clean-up; in particular, the addition of articles ("the", "a", "an") is needed here. Apparently Czech lacks articles in the same way many Eastern languages do. You learn something new every day. LordAmeth 19:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I wrote the German article on the Masin Bros . It is at least much longer than this one :-) I will use my material to improve this article within the next days. I have no knowledge of Czech language either, so I hope for Czech or Slovak Wikipedians to add details of the current disputes in their countries.
 * You User:LordAmeth are invited to help us with grammar correction. Though I see the problem with the missing articles (simply because my mother tongue has articles), I'm not an expert of the English Language either. Don.Rumata 11:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, that sure was a lot of expansion. Good stuff. Pictures, sections... wonderful. LordAmeth 07:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Definitely biased
I believe the article is biased. No one argues that communism is a totalitarian regime, but it does NOT justify mass murder and theft. Many people escaped from Czech. Rep. yet they did not rob people and murder them. Masins' group just wanted money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.71.174.113 (talk) 12:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Original research and unencyclopedic style
There is lot of OR and an inappropriate essayistic style in the article. For example: "In contrast to the inhabitants of the Czech and Slovak Republics, the majority of the exiles - familiar with the experience of fleeing to the West at the risk of one's life - seem to be Mašín admirers: in 2005, the Czech and Slovak Association of Canada gave the Thomas-Masaryk-Award to the Mašín-Brothers and Milan Paumer." It would be interesting to know what the majority of exiles thinks about Mašíns but what "seems" to an anonymous editor has no place in an encyclopedia. The explanation given for the supposed attitude of the exiles "seems" likely (to me) but that is not enough reason to include it. The reference to the Masaryk award makes the claim to appear sourced although it is not unless proven that Czech and Slovak Association of Canada represents the majority of exiles. --80.243.101.144 (talk) 11:08, 27 November 2011 (UTC) Sorry to have forgotten to log in when writing the previous edit.--Georgius (talk) 11:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC)