Talk:Maarten Tromp

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He was not killed near Scheveningen. He died at de battle of Ter Heijde august 10 1653.

The Battle of Scheveningen was on July 31st 1653, August 10th is the Gregorian Date Cloidl (talk) 00:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


 * "Ter Heide" and "Scheveningen" are two names for the same battle. Gdr 11:46, 2004 Aug 5 (UTC)

I suspect the following may be inaccurate
The article says this:

"In 1633 Tromp lead the Dutch fleet that sailed to meet the Spanish fleet under Antonio de Oquendo. They met near Dunkirk, but the meeting was actually a trap. England and France, who were ostensibly allies of the Dutch, had joined Spain in a secret alliance. Oquendo deliberately aimed to hit the sails and rigging of the Dutch ships, while the English and French ships that accompanied Tromp attacked his ships from the rear once they were engaged with the Spanish. A handful of Dutch ships, including Tromp, were able to escape, and Tromp led them to the South American port of Recife, which was then held by the Dutch West India Company.

"Realizing that Recife had become untenable, be eventually persuaded the colonists to abandon it and evacuate to Saint Eustatia. This evacuation was completed by September of 1634."

It appears to me that the historical account has been conflated with the fictional account in the alternative history novel "1633" of Eric Flint, which depicts exactly such a battle in the year 1633. The fact that Eric Flint was extremely meticulous and clever in creating an alternative history which seems to flow organically from actual events leading up to it does not imply at all that what is in his books depicts actual history. The genre is after all called "alternative history" for very good reasons.

I, by the way, am an avid reader of the "1632" series of Eric Flint, and I came to this article on Maarten Tromp because that series had whetted my interest, and I wanted to see what he had actually done in real life, in real history. And I found the above-quoted excerpt, which reflects a battle and its aftermath which Eric Flint himself described as fiction in the novel "1633."

I suspect that the above-quoted excerpt from the article needs a rigorous fact-checking, which I unfortunately am not able to do. I hope that someone else has time to do that job.

Theodore Kilgore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilgota (talk • contribs) 18:52, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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Any reference as to where this "story" comes from? I know it from J.F. Coopers "Red Rover", but he doesn't give any specifics. --Maxus96 (talk) 21:50, 16 April 2018 (UTC)