Talk:Macarena

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Somebody seems to have butchered this article. If that person would like to comment on his/her reasons for doing such a massive edit, I am more than willing to consider the arguments. Until that happens, I think that it is best to do a revert. I will continue to revert destructive editing of this article until further notice. Ycaps123 21:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

German Version of the Macarena?
I recently came across a German version of the song and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it?

I tried looking it up more on the internet but I haven't found anything except the video which is here: 1.

So that means a German Macarena exists and I thought it would make a good addition to the page if we could find out more. 76.186.121.104 (talk) 04:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Macarena -The (origin of the)Dance
I have noticed that the dance which accompanied the song Macarena has been credited to a ‘Venezuelan Flamenco instructor created it for her class to dance to, and it eventually caught on with the rest of the world.’.. no name, which doesn’t surprise me in the least. The same steps/moves for this dance were doing the rounds in the 1970’s and usually to ‘The Locomotion’ (Little Eva). As a DJ during that period (before and after) I saw the dance performed at least once a week. In 1989 I even video’d my own daughter (aged 8) doing the exact same dance (but this time to Kylie Minogue’s version). I would like to say that this type of action is very rare.. but sad to say it is not – though in this case the claimant seems to have remained anonymous (for whatever reason) … maybe in a few years time someone will pop up and say ‘I wrote that dance’. Anyone taking bets???


 * I have the advantage of being a native Spanish speaker, and therefore being exposed to Los Del Río's numerous interviews concerning their smash hit. The Venezuelan Flamenco instructor the article refers to is probably the actual inspiration for the chorus of the song, and indirectly, the song itself. There was talk about herself creating the dance, but as you say yourself, this is probably based on hearsay, and most probably related to her trying to cash in on the craze. I had seen the Locomotion dance before myself, and it is pretty similar.


 * I have to check the article's history to help clear up things a bit, but let me add some details from Los Del Rio's many interviews. Seems that our heroes were on a lounge tour of various places in South America, and the promoter of the Venezuelan leg of their tour took them to a hotel, where this supposedly loungey flamenco show was regularly staged. However, since Los Del Rio are actually Andalusian, they were pleasantly surprised by the main dancer's flamenco skills, "as good or better than those from any authentic Gypsy girl's from the Sacromonte caves in Granada" quote-unquote. Back in the hotel, one of them wrote the chorus, and the rest is history. Demf 04:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

"Inventor" of the dance
Well i just did an internet search and popular opinion seems to credit Mia Frye with having invented the Macarena dance in 1996. she is a choreographer, taught as a dance instructor. Los del Rio "Macarena" 1993 was a song with no video, until a French record company commissioned a video and that was apparently what led to it really taking off. Mia Frye is the original choreographer for the video, and hence (apparantly) the Macarena dance today.

The Macarena - choreographed by ?????
Interesting information from the internet. One has to remember that a 'choreographer' as well as 'writing' dances also (usually) instructs other people in the art form. Choreographers are mentioned many times within film or tv/media screen credits, this does not mean that they have written (choreographed) the dances shown. They, in most cases have provided only the instruction which may have included some artistic direction.

I recall, not only the [ongoing] debate about the dance 'The Electric'/'Electric Slide' but also a dance called 'Footboogie'and the more than passing similarity to the dance 'Natalies Night Flyer'... but strange as it seems the two choreographers in question have not (or admit to) seeing the film 'Footloose' which preceeded both dance by more than a few years. For during that film - and also at the very end where they are all dancing in the 'flour mill' - are a number of the step combinations later used for BOTH dances.

I will stand by 101% on the dates etc given on my previous posting.. and add.. that on talking to and emailing different people, this 'dance' was indeed as popular as what I said and across most of the U.K..as well as undeniable video evidence. ... let a popular dance go dormant for a while without anyone claiming to be the choreographer.. and sooner or later 'someone' will claim the prize.

I have been a choreographer of dance (Ballroom/Line/Soul) for nearly 40 years and have choreographed (written) nearly 400 dances including an easily identifiable 'Line' dance going back to 1968 (which may blow the myth about 'The Bus Stop' being the first in 1975).. whoa betide anyone laying claim to any of those in 5 or 10 years time.

Timeline is off
The first paragraph says that the song first became a hit in the U.S. when the Bayside Boys remixed it in 1996. But then it says that the song was "later" covered by Los Del Mar as a single. So which version was the one that first became a hit?


 * I recall it being popular in Miami while totally unknown in Philadelphia until much, much later. If anyone has tracked the spread, it would be interesting to hear.71.203.125.108 (talk) 21:32, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

The original song was popular in South America in 1993, which is well ahead of the global spread of the remix. Article should be adjusted to reflect this history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.49.202.149 (talk) 20:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Para Para
Should the dance be considered as part of (or at least inspired by) the Parapara genre, in that it involves preset movements and specific to arm movements? This style of dance has been popular in Asia for decades.
 * You're right: it's not a dance, it's a para, at least by the definition used in StepMania. That's why "Macarena" didn't work in DDR Disney Mix. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 15:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Pre Para..
It's understood that this type of dance movement [Para Para]originated in Japan in the early 1970's... whereas dances such as The Locomotion with its arm movements is very 1960's... Even the 'original' dance that was also done to the Macarena (though credited to the Venezualian dance teacher)had similar arm/hand movements to that of The Locomotion. Also looking at the description of very early Contre (Contra - Country) and even 'Court' dances of the Elizebethian period hand movements were as equally important to the dance as were the steps/footwork.

Another parody, still anecdotal
Since I only have my own experience, it is not "verifiable" information I can add to the article, but I think it is an important addition to the history of the song. I was in Roma in the Christmas season of 1995, visiting my wife who was working in a movie. While there, I had the pleasure of watching homosexual Italian men perform the "Macarona," a parody of the Macarena. "Macarona," singular form of macaroni, was (is?) a slang word for penis in Italian. The dance consisted of a chopping motion of one hand along the other arm, which represented the measuring out of a larger and larger "macarona." Therefore, each time they repeated the word "macarona" they sounded more and more impressed. If this anecdote can be verified by more sources (and if it were widespread in Italia), then perhaps it could make the real entry.

Parodi link WAY wrong
Samuel Ramirez of Sam & Simon made a parody called "Gonorrhea". This one is also popularly mis-attributed to "Weird Al" Yankovic & Cheech & Chong. in this line Samuel Ramirez is linked to the Wall street exec Samuel Ramirez. I don't know for sure but something tells me that that is not the same Samuel who created the song.

didn't think it was relavent.
i removed "*At River Middle School, Napa California, Everyone at their school dance did the macarena simulatneously. " as i didnt think it was relavent.

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Macarena -The (origin of the)Dance
I have noticed that the dance which accompanied the song Macarena has been credited to a ‘Venezuelan Flamenco instructor created it for her class to dance to, and it eventually caught on with the rest of the world.’.. no name, which doesn’t surprise me in the least. The same steps/moves for this dance were doing the rounds in the 1970’s and usually to ‘The Locomotion’ (Little Eva). As a DJ during that period (before and after) I saw the dance performed at least once a week. In 1989 I even video’d my own daughter (aged 8) doing the exact same dance (but this time to Kylie Minogue’s version). I would like to say that this type of action is very rare.. but sad to say it is not – though in this case the claimant seems to have remained anonymous (for whatever reason) … maybe in a few years time someone will pop up and say ‘I wrote that dance’. Anyone taking bets???


 * I have the advantage of being a native Spanish speaker, and therefore being exposed to Los Del Río's numerous interviews concerning their smash hit. The Venezuelan Flamenco instructor the article refers to is probably the actual inspiration for the chorus of the song, and indirectly, the song itself. There was talk about herself creating the dance, but as you say yourself, this is probably based on hearsay, and most probably related to her trying to cash in on the craze. I had seen the Locomotion dance before myself, and it is pretty similar.


 * I have to check the article's history to help clear up things a bit, but let me add some details from Los Del Rio's many interviews. Seems that our heroes were on a lounge tour of various places in South America, and the promoter of the Venezuelan leg of their tour took them to a hotel, where this supposedly loungey flamenco show was regularly staged. However, since Los Del Rio are actually Andalusian, they were pleasantly surprised by the main dancer's flamenco skills, "as good or better than those from any authentic Gypsy girl's from the Sacromonte caves in Granada" quote-unquote. Back in the hotel, one of them wrote the chorus, and the rest is history. Demf 04:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

"Inventor" of the dance
Well i just did an internet search and popular opinion seems to credit Mia Frye with having invented the Macarena dance in 1996. she is a choreographer, taught as a dance instructor. Los del Rio "Macarena" 1993 was a song with no video, until a French record company commissioned a video and that was apparently what led to it really taking off. Mia Frye is the original choreographer for the video, and hence (apparantly) the Macarena dance today.

The Macarena - choreographed by ?????
Interesting information from the internet. One has to remember that a 'choreographer' as well as 'writing' dances also (usually) instructs other people in the art form. Choreographers are mentioned many times within film or tv/media screen credits, this does not mean that they have written (choreographed) the dances shown. They, in most cases have provided only the instruction which may have included some artistic direction.

I recall, not only the [ongoing] debate about the dance 'The Electric'/'Electric Slide' but also a dance called 'Footboogie'and the more than passing similarity to the dance 'Natalies Night Flyer'... but strange as it seems the two choreographers in question have not (or admit to) seeing the film 'Footloose' which preceeded both dance by more than a few years. For during that film - and also at the very end where they are all dancing in the 'flour mill' - are a number of the step combinations later used for BOTH dances.

I will stand by 101% on the dates etc given on my previous posting.. and add.. that on talking to and emailing different people, this 'dance' was indeed as popular as what I said and across most of the U.K..as well as undeniable video evidence. ... let a popular dance go dormant for a while without anyone claiming to be the choreographer.. and sooner or later 'someone' will claim the prize.

I have been a choreographer of dance (Ballroom/Line/Soul) for nearly 40 years and have choreographed (written) nearly 400 dances including an easily identifiable 'Line' dance going back to 1968 (which may blow the myth about 'The Bus Stop' being the first in 1975).. whoa betide anyone laying claim to any of those in 5 or 10 years time.

Timeline is off
The first paragraph says that the song first became a hit in the U.S. when the Bayside Boys remixed it in 1996. But then it says that the song was "later" covered by Los Del Mar as a single. So which version was the one that first became a hit?

The Los Del Rio (Bayside Boys Remix) version is the massive hit that swept throughout the U.S.

Para Para
Should the dance be considered as part of (or at least inspired by) the Parapara genre, in that it involves preset movements and specific to arm movements? This style of dance has been popular in Asia for decades.
 * You're right: it's not a dance, it's a para, at least by the definition used in StepMania. That's why "Macarena" didn't work in DDR Disney Mix. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 15:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Ulf Wheeler
Who was this "famous" actor? Cannot find him in imdb nor in google at all. There's just a reference to this page here.

Also it says that he had a "heart stroke"... I'm not sure if that's an accurate term, i'm guessing not (MGoers37 02:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC))

Original version
Does somebody know where can I get the oroginal 1993 version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.125.51.73 (talk) 01:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The original version did chart already as well in the Dutch Top 40, peaking at number 20. One can check this in the Top 40 app, which offers the tune too as a download. 62.140.132.17 (talk) 00:58, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Who's The Female Singer In The Bayside Boys Mix?
The song's artist credit goes to Los Del Rio since they created the original version. I was wondering if anybody knows who is the female singer in the Bayside Boys Mix (the music video version) that the women in the music video lip-synch to? I think it's important to place that information in the article otherwise if it wasn't for her school-girlish voice it probably wouldn't have been the megahit it was.

Her name is Carla Vanessa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.54.143.248 (talk) 06:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

From the comments on this video it would seem that it is Carla Vanessa. Can this be changed? —Gina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUwNuxhL1Kc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.37.239.136 (talk) 02:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Music video
In the music video for the song, there's a line where a person says "I am not trying to seduce you!" If you've seen The Graduate, this line in the music video sounds exactly like the line Mrs. Robinson says to Ben. Did the Bayside Boys sample this line from the movie for their video? Worth mentioning in the article, if true? DippyDawg (talk) 23:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Covers and parodies
How many of these should we keep? Most likely the GrooveGrass Boyz version since it charted, but beyond that I'm lost. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 00:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

By the way, can the Hydrogen by M.O.O.N. be counted as cover versin of Macarena? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.15.195.247 (talk) 11:56, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Please, no more
We have enough parodies and mentions listed. Let's not turn this article into a list of every time someone mentioned the song. Cases like the GrooveGrass Boyz and Animaniacs parodies are certainly non-trivial, but we don't need every instance of a parody. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 17:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

The dance itself
I notice the origin of the dance is hotly debated, but I think the dance (craze) itself is notable enough to bear a description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.125.142 (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree. The Game Heyy Macarena~ 23:43, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Nonsense sentence
The current version of the article has this sentence in the lead paragraph:

The "Bayside Boys Mix" became the best known version of the song, as it had English lyrics, sung by an uncredited artist. I'm deleting this piece of crap sentence. 74.178.230.234 (talk) 04:30, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, the statement strikes me as being almost certainly false, as I've never heard but everyone on the planet (for better or for worse) has heard the Los del Rio version.
 * Secondly, it has no source for the claim.
 * Thirdly, it strikes me as either a non sequitur or a grammatical nightmare. I simply cannot follow the intent of the sentence after the first comma.

"Cult following"?
it was an international hit in 1995, 1996, and 1997, and continues to have a cult following Cult following sounds like exaggeration. NotYourFathersOldsmobile (talk) 01:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 November 2019

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. BD2412 T 05:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

– Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by longterm pageviews. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:03, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Macarena (song) → Macarena
 * Macarena → Macarena (disambiguation)
 * Oppose not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by longterm book use criteria. The song is a girl's name. Leave well as is. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:26, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The girl's name gets 16 pageviews daily, the song gets 1,100. There is a massive difference here and what people are looking for is obvious.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:26, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Which is why I said "Oppose not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by longterm book use criteria". This is why we have 2 criteria. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * This is why we shouldn't have two criteria. Luckily, reason is prevailing in this case. --В²C ☎ 23:24, 2 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Support, clear primary topic. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 18:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support as primary wrt usage. Name articles are generally very poor contenders for primariness. They're rarely sought by readers, rarely linked from articles, and rarely contain much verifiable information of interest about the name itself. All of that applies to Macarena (name). Colin M (talk) 18:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support - Though there are people with the first name "Macarena", I don't see any indication of them using the name mononymously. As a result -- and as the pageviews clearly demonstrate -- we're in a Cher vs. "For other uses, see Cher (disambiguation)" situation. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 22:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * One of the most famous Virgins in the world and one of the oldest neighbourhoods in Spain are both mononymously known as Macarena. So this case is not even remotely comparable to Cher. Neodop (talk) 03:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. A not-so-surprising case of WP:BUTIDONTKNOWABOUTIT. Macarena is not only a rather common Spanish name, but also one of the oldest and most iconic neighbourhoods in Seville and the most famous Virgin of the Holy Week for the past few hundred years. Clearly, the song is far from being the primary topic (and there is another song with similar historical significance: the standard of the Spanish canción and copla repertoire also called "Macarena" by Bernardino Bautista Monterde which has been recorded dozens if not hundreds of times in Spain, the US, Mexico, Cuba, etc.) Encyclopedias are meant to faithfully represent the long-term significance of notable topics, not recent fads. The vast majority of books on Google Books refer to either the neighbourhood or the Virgin, whereas very few hits are for Los del Río's song. Neodop (talk) 03:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The neighborhood historically predates the song, but it only gets 30 pageviews on average a day compared to the song's 1100+. With that much of a difference, it shows that the vast majority of people are looking for the song. If the town got hundreds of views I might share your opinion, but the pageviews don't support your argument of being incredibly famous and iconic. And what percentage of those views to the town are due to the fact that the town was the song's namesake?ZXCVBNM (TALK) 09:12, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Zxcvbnm is saying "2nd criteria" and you're saying "but 1st criteria". Pageviews are only 1 of 2 criteria. If we only had pageviews we could automate RMs and let a pageview bot move articles to baseline space. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:27, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Macarena is not some obscure "town", it is part of the Seville tourist center with 3 million yearly visitors. 1 million of these come to the Holy Week, which is the most important in the world, and by far the most famous Virgin in this celebration is the Macarena. Macarena is also the largest brotherhood in Spain with over 15,000 members. It is honestly laughable to suggest that a remix of a flamenco song from 1992 somehow eclipses these cultural and religious landmarks, especially when the literature demonstrates significantly more coverage for the Virgin (13600 results, 4940 in English) and the neighbourhood (10600 results, 4740 in English) than any of the songs (4310 for the 1944 Monterde song; 2560 for the song by Los del Río). The Spanish Wikipedia even has a list of marches dedicated to the Macarena Virgin, so maybe Macarena (Los del Río song) would be a more suitable title. Pageviews simply reflect the Google algorithm and the fact that the song is still a karaoke/club fad. However, the Monterde song was an even bigger hit in the 1950s, as shown by Google Ngrams. Neodop (talk) 01:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. This is the English Wikipedia. Further, to Neodop, as a Mexican I have never heard of anyone called Macarena nor a song "Vírgen de la Macarena" to say BS like what you said. Tbsock (Tbhotch away) (talk) 16:52, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * So that was completely out of line. Also, if you really are a Mexican and yet you haven't ever heard of anyone named Macarena, I have no idea what to tell you. (But I could start by reminding you that Mexico and Spain are two totally different places.) Red   Slash  23:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I'm sympathetic to the opposition, since there is always a WP:IDONTKNOWIT and WP:RECENTISM danger in cases like this, but the female give name has damned near zero currency in English, and readers expect the song.  If there'd been a wildly popular song named "Roxanne" (and there there was), that would be a different kind of case, because that name, as simply a name, is common and recognizable in English. Macarena generally isn't recognized by English speakers as a woman's forename.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:16, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I understand the opposition as well, but I have primarily seen the word Macarena used in connection with the song and dance. Aoba47 (talk) 21:47, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Anyone searching with "Macarena" is almost certainly trying to find the song. If that changes fifty years from now, we can move it then. --В²C ☎ 23:24, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Macadamia Nut
The "Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix)" is parodied in the Animaniacs episode 92 as "Macadamia Nut" from Animaniacs (after the nut of the same name). The cartoon is a parody of the "Macarena" music video starring Dot and the entire Animaniacs cast. Unlike most song parodies on the show, this one uses the actual music from the song, with only minor alterations. This is because at the height of its popularity, Warner Bros. Records purchased the publishing rights to the song. The parody lyrics were written by Tom Ruegger. Rob Paulsen can be heard in the beginning in the background vocal. The parody lyrics can be translated as "¿Donde que vas a Nintendo?" ("Where did you go to, Nintendo?"), a reference to Nintendo, "¿Hola, que pasa, you grande sack o' grain-ia?" ("Hi, what's up, you big sacks of grain?"), a reference to the Squash and stretch technique, "Qui a coupe le fromage, we abstrain-ia" ("Who cut the cheese? We abstrain"), a reference to the Freakazoid episode "Frenching with Freakazoid", "Lava tus manos, por favor" ("Wash your hands, please"), and "Otra vez on y vas the repetitive refrain-ia" ("One more time and you go the repetitive refrain.") During the song, after Dot Warner, Skippy Squirrel, Pinky, Minerva Mink, Hello Nurse laugh, Slappy asks, "I don't get it, what's the joke?!" and Minerva Mink, Hello Nurse, Skippy Squirrel, Pinky, and Dot Warner all answer, "Uh..." and the song resumes, and ends when The Warner Siblings say, "Oy, Macadamia Nuts!". In an interview, Jon McClenahan, animator of Animaniacs, and founder of StarToons, said of the experience, "'Dot the Macadamia Nut' was my pet project, and I laid it all out (not hard with white card BG's!) & animated as much of it as I could - in the end I think I did close to 60% of the animation for that. Dave Pryor did a few shots, Sternecky (freelancing) did a couple shots, (as yet not hired director) John Griffin also did a few, and I believe TJ House may have done a few." He also said, "In the Kids WB Animaniacs marathon, 'Dot the Macadamia Nut' was included, but apparently not as a viewer selection. It was introduced as 'PRODUCER TOM RUEGGER'S FAVORITE!' Ruegger regularly gushed about our work, and yes, he particularly liked "Macadamia" (the original simpler title). He never withheld compliments." It was performed by Rob Paulsen, Tress MacNeille, Jess Harnell, Frank Welker, Sherri Stoner, Nathan Ruegger, and Julie Brown. 68.49.78.77 (talk) 19:23, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Too much detail here; see WP:UNDUE and WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Also, most of the cited sources would not be considered reliable under WP:SPS. If better sources can be provided and this is summarized in a sentence or two, then maybe it could be added to the section discussing parodies. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 19:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Dance
I would recommend a bit more context about the dance in this article - seems more notable than the article implies, as the article mostly focuses on the song with only minor references to the dance craze. -KaJunl (talk) 02:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Agree! The song is much better known for the dance than for the song itself.  -Jord gette  [talk]  18:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Meant to say "content" not "context" -KaJunl (talk) 02:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

YouTube link
The link takes you to the remix. It should go to the original. 24.165.142.140 (talk) 00:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I've added a link to the original version, but I couldn't find a video from an official channel, so I had to link to audio only. ResPM  (T&#x1F508;&#x1F3B5;C) 01:05, 12 October 2022 (UTC)