Talk:Macedonia/Archive 5

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I've tweaked the colors so that it's easy to see that Greece is all yellow and Bulgaria is all green. There's no more ambiguity. A very simple fix. --Taivo (talk) 02:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I can agree with that, plus it can be better if you color the ancient capitals of Macedonia in neutral color such black. It will be also more neutral if up or down the Republic of Macedonia is included with fade color such grey or orange as the background color "(FYROM)" even with small letters, so can represent all sides and offend no body. With that two more fix simple we don't offend the 35-40% of total population of the state, which are mainly Ethnic Albanians, plus i don't see any problem with Greeks or Bulgarians or rest Albanians to get offended. Because it will cover everyone. Taivo, now you talking on topic, cheers. --ГоранМирчевски (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Read WP:MOSMAC. We will not include "FYROM".  --Taivo (talk) 02:25, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Here is a neutral map which purpose all sides. [[File:Macedonia disambiguation same color - neutral.png  --ГоранМирчевски (talk) 02:31, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, Goran. What don't you understand about WP:MOSMAC?  We will not include "FYROM" on the map per Wikipedia policy.  Read J.Delanoy's comments above and he explains it very well.  This discussion was closed two years ago.  I've recolored the capital cities to better match the red on the caption that's already in place.  (I've replaced the WikiCommons map so all you need to do is click on the above map to see the more distinctive coloring.)  --Taivo (talk) 02:36, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed the color of the ancient capitals on my version of the map. For some reason your changes to the other map are not being reflected in the file.  This gives us a map that we both agree on--single colors for all Bulgarian and Greek territory and a distinctive color for the ancient capitals.  --Taivo (talk) 04:40, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good work Taivo. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 04:58, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Check also this one, is sane as your but in SVG edition with more clear colors, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Macedonia-disambiguation--area.svg --ГоранМирчевски (talk) 05:12, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to properly attribute that WikiCommons file. It's not your original work, so make sure you credit the author.  The only problem with it is that you've cut off the last "A" at the end of Bulgaria.  --Taivo (talk) 06:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I uploaded a copy with cleaner circles for the ancient capitals. It should be sufficient for our purposes.  --Taivo (talk) 06:28, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What about including the names of Greece and Bulgaria in the region as mentioned above, so it won't look like a United Macedonia map? Or, why the names of Greece and Bulgaria are not close to the regional boundary as you suggested before? Macedonian (talk) 12:05, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Any map-reading person looking at that map will not think that Greece and Bulgaria don't extend through the Macedonian region. Since national boundaries are marked on the map by solid lines and this regional line is dashed, there is no confusion.  Changing the colors was enough.  By simply tweaking the existing map by changing colors we were able to fix it without generating a whole new map.  That means that we cannot move text around on it because the original had been saved as a bitmap.  But with the same color throughout, moving the text was unnecessary.  It also prevents clutter in the region.  --Taivo (talk) 16:27, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, after Athenian's comment, Greece's name is unnecessarily low. It could easily be moved north for more balance and symmetry without cluttering the Macedonian region. Merry Christmas to all. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Moving the text is not possible with the graphic that we used as the base file is a single layer. Only the original author can move it since he/she has the original graphics file.  Goran and I used the graphic stored at WikiCommons as the base and the text is no longer separated as a separate manipulable layer.  While moving the text a little bit would be nice, it's not physically possible with the file we had the work with.  --Taivo (talk) 22:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Fine. I can accept that. Thank you for your great efforts Taivo. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I will make such a map for more balance in the next days, i have the original file. Happy New Year! --ГоранМирчевски (talk) 00:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year to you too. Thank you Goran. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 01:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're going to move text around on the map, Goran, do not try to make the names cross the Macedonian region boundary. That would simply make a massive clutter in the center of the map.  Recoloring is sufficient.  If you want to move the text a little closer, that's up to you, but I won't accept needless clutter.  --Taivo (talk) 01:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent map Goran. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 22:38, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi! This dotted region should not exist because it is from an arbirtary period. It does not come from the area and era where the Macedonia begun. It confuses and creates problems. Also the subsection named Macedonia(region) should not exist. It is from an arbritary period after Macedonian era. It seems that you want to promote a new country that you want to create with arbritary bourders. Macedonia is Greek and you cannot change it. Look at the Macedomoa (ancient Greece). This is the period when it was established. The map and the subsection Macedonia (region) shows arbrirtary bourders from thousands years after Macedonia was established.

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2021
North Macedonia was known as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia not Republic of Macdonia until 2019, there is a mistake. 176.92.92.15 (talk) 12:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


 * FYROM was not its name; it was a placeholder because Greece objected to "Republic of Macedonia".  O.N.R.  (talk) 20:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * (Note to self: The IP who requested this is Greek. Pretty obvious in hindsight what happened here.)  O.N.R.  (talk) 04:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Bias
Right, so, the ships and newspapers from Bulgaria and Greece are Bulgarian and Greek, but the football clubs from Macedonia are 'from Skopje'. I mean, how much hidden (but intentional) bias can you input in such a short article such as this one!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.83.156 (talk) 17:53, 6 September 2021 (UTC)