Talk:Macedonia (Greece)/Archive 6

Makedonia
"Under the Ottomans, the name [Makedonia] dissappeared altogether."

Can you please delete this suspicious line out from the Wiki page introduction or at least get it referenced?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.164.67 (talk) 15:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Tagged with citation needed - in the future you can do that yourself. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 18:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request 29 December 2013.

 * "..it is often referred to as Northern Greece."

I have never read anything about the Geographic region or prefecture of Macedonia being referred to as "Northern Greece". I put in citation needed but frankly it should just be removed. If you can find one reference even in passing to the SOLE geopgrahic region or prefecture of Macedonia being referred to as "Northern Greece" I would be shocked. Many sources say "the heart of" or "dominated by" but I couldn't find one that says Macedonia is Northern Greece. Northern Greece encompasses many regions - not just one. See or. I suspect political motivation here.

Furthermore, for the statement "often referred to" to be shown to be correct, you surely would need several citations. Here there is not one. GoldenClockCar (talk) 13:41, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you might be misreading; the article as it currently stands says that the regions of Macedonia and Thrace are together referred to as Northern Greece (sometimes with Epirus and Thessaly included). Maybe this could be reworded to make that clearer. --Delirium (talk) 16:33, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I've reworded to make it clearer that it's part of Northern Greece. How's the current sentence? --Delirium (talk) 16:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Delirium yes, thanks very much. Much better. And thanks for finding this request despite me not putting in the correct template. I'm still learning. GoldenClockCar (talk) 13:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2018
Katerini population (community) : 58.309 Kavala population (community) : 56.307 AF85 (talk) 23:32, 10 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — MRD2014 Talk 19:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The population of the regional unit of Katerini is 58,309. The population of the town of Katerini is 55,997. Similarly 56,307 v 54,027 for Kavala. --Michail (blah) 18:35, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be renamed South Macedonia?
Since the Republic of Macedonia is now North Macedonia, shouldn't this be called South Macedonia? 70.56.176.148 (talk) 18:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

-- No. In Greek context it almost always clear that it refers to the Greek region of Macedonia, or the ancient kingdom of Macedonia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4006:1400:CC6E:EED9:1B41:B7AE (talk) 18:52, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


 * No. North Macedonia changed its name. The Greek region is still called Macedonia in Greece and by the Greek state. South Macedonia has no recognition whatsoever and is not used at all.--APG1984 (talk) 22:25, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Edit notice request
Please create an edit notice for the article, placing in it the template, to conform with MOS:RETAIN based on  ("centre"). Thank you--Bazza (talk) 19:32, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 23:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * This request by Bazza should either have been made for American English or should not have been made at all as the issue is still under discussion. Earlier today Bazza disputed my proposal to standardize this article's spelling to American English claiming the article was already in BrE. When I pointed out that the article contained both AmE and BrE and that there was no particular reason for it to use one or the other, Bazza erroneously pointed out that if a discussion could not reach a consensus the article should default to BrE based on the MOS:RETAIN provision that the first identifiable usage is the ultimate decider. As I showed, this article actually used AmE spelling before BrE spelling by almost 2 years. This entire discussion is documented on my user page (User talk:Skoulikomirmigotripa).
 * I'm not sure why Bazza decided to make this request when our discussion had only been going on for only a matter of hours, had not resulted in a consensus, and no discussion had been raised on this Talk page for other editors to see. Regardless of the reasoning, this request has been made erroneously. There has not been a consensus reached, and the default for this article is AmE and not BrE.
 * This request should be denied unless a consensus for BrE is reached, otherwise this article should default to AmE. –Skoulikomirmigotripa (talk) 01:01, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * this is an interesting situation! Some editors might argue that the 2003 edit that introduced "characterization" was made while the article was still a stub. It's iffy because I've seen some editors argue that it was no longer a stub at that point, and it was not marked with a stub template nor was there any indication on the talk page that it was a stub. Another thing is that the word was lost in a Nov. 2003 edit while it might still be considered a stub article. If you can find a later determinate edit when the article was more definitely not a stub article, it would strengthen your argument. Let me know if you do find such an edit made before Bazza's 2005 example, and I will gladly make the adjustment to AmE.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 02:11, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. Might also note that "characterization" could be considered British English Oxford spelling.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 02:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, before we default to the article's first occurrence, I think we should base our decision on any consensus that comes out of a proper discussion. –Skoulikomirmigotripa (talk) 13:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've altered the edit notice to reflect the controversy. It will expire in one month.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 16:43, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Which variety of English?
Informal discussion:

Ottoman provinces of Greece
I have added a source in the lead that I think pertains to old friend Jingiby's concerns. Please read the whole referenced page from the Ottoman Encyclopedia. Prior to the establisment of a Greek State (by 1832), the "provinces of Greece" where ill defined (the same goes for many nation states for that matter). The referenced page explains the difficulties in definitions and the whole situation nicely. In the end it is evident that Macedonia was considered a province of Greece (in the general meaning) prior to 1832 or even prior to the Ottoman conquest (if you take into account the continuity of the Byzantine era).

I took the liberty of deleting the tags from that certain sentence. If there is any change to the wording that needs to be done, please feel free to correct it. Shadowmorphs (talk) 11:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Can you please supply the exact quote supporting your edit from the provided source? I am looking at page 237 of the textbook and I cannot clearly see anything supporting "[...] prior to the establishment of the modern Greek state in 1830 Macedonia was identified as a Greek province, albeit without clearly defined geographical borders". --Kromid (talk) 12:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Flag of Macedonia
Macedonia is a geographical term ("Γεωγραφικό διαμέρισμα") and a former Greek prefecture ("περιφέρεια") up to 1987. However, the blue flag with the symbol of Vergina was never officially adopted. The flag became known during the 90s, when Greek protesters were using a blue version of the flag of FYROM (now North Macedonia) while protesting against the admission of FYROM by the UN as "Macedonia". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hgnostop (talk • contribs) 21:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The flag's age is irrelevant. Regardless of the geopolitical context in which it was first used, it has become firmly established as the flag of Macedonia in the three decades since. Even if "the blue flag with the symbol of Vergina was never officially adopted", the fact that it is flown alongside the national flag outside government buildings in Macedonia implies a semi-official status at the very least. And the Vergina Sun itself is an officially registered state emblem of Greece. I see no reason to ignore their existence.  • ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ •   12:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

The flag is used in relevance to protests about the name of North Macedonia. This is why it should be mentioned and not ignored in the article. However, since it is not an official flag, it should not be in the banner because it would be misleading. The flag is not used in any of the three prefectures of Macedonia web sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.11.54.124 (talk) 10:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Bold Edits by User:Ndp005
User:Ndp005 has made some pretty bold edits to this article, including removal of literary sources. The subject of this article appears to be a hot button topic, and in order to not violate WP:3RR I'm starting a discussion here. What say you? JellyMan9001 (talk) 19:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Macedonia is in the Bible
This is not true This is all fake shame on you 24.189.15.198 (talk) 12:51, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

"Macedonia(Greece)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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