Talk:Machete (film)/Archive 1

Plot Summary?
How exactly can one write a plot summary of a movie that hasn't been filmed yet? Clampton 14:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC) I do think the "a plot summary is needed" tag on this page is BS, though; I've commented it out. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 20:09, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the film is an extrapolation of the fake trailer in Grindhouse, which pretty much states the entire plot. However, making assumptions would be original research, unless it's phrased as "the plot from the trailer is blah blah blah".

The use of slang in the plot summary may be confusing to anyone other than hip American readers.... "spin doctor" (political consultant?), "shakedown" (extortion), "taco slinger" (is throwing tacos a useful thing to do?), "blade slinger" (sounds like the marketing department talking). The whole thing is written like as a promotion for the movie. - Rapscallion (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Someone had put an outside review in as the plot summary. I restored it to a previous better version.&mdash;Kww(talk) 22:34, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Racism?
The two citations are infowars and a blog citing infowars. Hardly reasonable citations, I'm removing it for now. Please don't re-add it unless you have a good reason. 124.198.182.223 (talk) 03:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How about using the movie itself for reference? I thinking that is reason enough for the racism topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.119.210.17 (talk) 20:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is in favor of kosher racism. White people aren't protected by hate crime (or speech laws in the case of Europe, Canada and Australia) in these here United States of Hypocrisy. All hail Wikipedia! Always accurate (citation needed) and fair (citation unattainable) 209.180.113.34 (talk) 10:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

@ IP above me: What are you talking about? Whhat is wrong with you? I don´t see any racism here.93.128.81.7 (talk) 22:26, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Nightwolf
There is a very similar character in the MK series...Nightwolf. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.37.25.81 (talk) 04:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Just read the article on Nightwolf and there's nothing similar about them. 200.23.91.240 16:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC) (Hey! Listen!)

Spy Kids
Regarding the spin-off discussion here...I somewhat highly doubt that a Grindhouse flick would function as a Spy Kids spinoff...o.O Besides, as its stated, plans for Machete have dated back to 1993, and thus, Trejo had several characters in his movies named Machete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 02:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Funny. I was watching Spy Kids the other day and I had not made the connection until now; I had forgotten Danny Trejo's character there was also called Machete. Though there is a connection with Spy Kids and Machete, though I don't think they'd link them ... as Machete is definitely not a kid's movie. O_O 189.180.66.54 (talk) 15:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The very name title gives that away. Evilgidgit (talk) 13:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

92.10.23.99 (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * According to IMDb it is the same character.


 * How is this a discussion? Rodriguez has been obsessed with Trejo's 'Machete' character for the majority of his career. Obviously there is a connection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.251.186 (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Obviously the movies are vastly different, but in both Trejo is Machete. The Spy Kids are his nephew and niece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.215.52.167 (talk) 12:28, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge
This project is not in production, so per the notability guidelines for films, I'd suggest merging the content to a broader article. if no one protests, I'll go ahead and put a WP:PROD template up. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Poster
Here is a clearer version of the the poster. http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/01/machete-poster#comments 76.241.72.91 (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Production
Has this film actually gone into production yet? The article states production was to start w/ Sin 2, but that has yet to start filming either.-66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC).

Grindhouse?
Will 'Machete' be merged with another movie as Death Proof and Planet Terror were? I heard something about an expansion on the also fake trailer, "Don't." Anything on this, or will it just be a regular single movie by itself? StupidityxLEAK (talk) 06:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Redirect
The film is not in production or pre-production. The only timeline is with Sin City 2, which is in developmental hell, and Rodriguez already committing to other projects (Red Sonja). I am moving for a redirect, as the page currently is an example of WP:Crystal Ball, and would likely be deleted if nominated. A redirect could save the material until development begins again. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 20:10, 13 July 2008 (UTC).


 * While I understand the principle of your redirect, one user cannot be the sole judge of the status of an article. On top of that, immediately redirecting a page without discussion is not exactly the best way to go about things. Even when absent, one may obtain a reasonable debate by petitioning the overseeing WikiProject. Please do this as opposed. Once a discussion has occurred and a legitimate consensus has been reached, then one may choose whether or not to have this page as a redirect, or remove it entirely till a later date. ⒺⓋⒾ ⓁⒼⓄ ⒽⒶⓃ ②  talk 04:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Consensus was clearly and legitimately established by policy and guidelines, which supersedes any local consensus. Absence of opposition is acceptable for consensus, as it reflect the move is non-contentious (which would be further substantiated by the fact that the move is rooted in policy).  -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC).

Attempting to assassinate the senator at a political rally...
Attempting to assassinate the senator at a political rally, Machete is double-crossed and is shot in the shoulder by Benz's henchmen whom are soon revealed to be in league with Senator McLaughlin who orchestrated the entire attempted assassination with Benz as part of a false flag operation to gain widespread public support for McLaughlin's harsh anti-immigration laws by setting up Machete as the patsy to make it appear that an outlaw illegal Mexican immigrant tried to assassinate the senator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.182.33 (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Truly this is the Sentence of Champions. 87.194.140.237 (talk) 23:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * /* Attempting to assassinate the senator at a political rally, Machete.....*/ removed from Dillinger Talk Naaman Brown (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC) (Anyplace else this paragraph as been inserted?)

Controversy
These seems to be the view of one person. As such, its certainly not worth two paragraphs; we're giving it too much weight. At best, it deserves a sentence, if that. The fact that the bulk of the sources are from youtube, I'm not sure it's worth mentioning at all. Akerans (talk) 06:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Here's a source from Fox News posted by the New York post. I'm sure information can be included from this article. That aside. Regarding the line, Fox News Criticizes the film,saying "it calls for Latinos to rally in support for acts of violence against border patrol agents and white American locals.", where does that appear? I couldn't find that in the source provided. Akerans (talk) 23:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that what was listed for the Controversy section really wasn't appropriate. At the very least, it was synthesis of two or more sources to come to some conclusion, and it used a bunch of primary sources (YouTube links in particular), which really isn't right either. Akerans' use of sourcing in the Marketing section here is much better, and I think the current version accurately reflects the issue. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 03:21, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The Alex Jones bit, at least, needs to stay out as currently presented. There is no indication that he is a reliable source, or that his comments are important to the subject at hand.--Cúchullain t/ c 02:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I was split about including him. Didn't want to link directly to any of the You Tube videos, but recognized the fact he works in radio and film, and that his site might be considered a newsblog. I wasn't doubting his accuracy, but if you feel he may not be reliable, then I have no objections about excluding him. Akerans (talk) 02:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)


 * He's not a film critic or recognized authority, and he's not even that notable of a commenter. If his thoughts on the movie really are notable, they'll have appeared in some reliable source such as a newspaper story, but we can't just quote his own personal website.--Cúchullain t/ c 13:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it is notable, especially since prominent news aggregators like Drudge are linking to it. There is a lot of controversy over a mexican action star depicted killing white people. To me it points more to their racism than Rodriguez's, but that's just an opinion. But the fact that people are upset about the movie is certainly notable24.207.131.20 (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Exploitation
I'm not sure if this film should really fall under the exploitation film genre. According to this source, "Films that use extraordinary events and situations -- that are usually deemed deleterious, disadvantageous and horrific to the personalities involved". This films, like Grindhouse, seems to be a tribute to these films and probably shouldn't be included. Any thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Even the person that called it an exploitation film, didn't really call it an exploitation film. He said, "hybrid thriller/action/exploitation picture". As in, 1/3 exploitation? Also, Rodriguez and the studios have not classified this as an exploitation film. Akerans (talk) 16:56, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well. If there is no further arguement, I'll remove it from the page then. Cheers. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:43, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * So there's a line in the lead, "Machete continues the B movie and exploitation style of Grindhouse". Would anyone object to me (or someone else) reinserting that LA Times article as a reference for that? —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 17:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The source kinda' supports that statement. Perhaps change the sentence slightly to "Machete continues and evolves beyond the B movie and exploitation style of Grindhouse.", and then add the source. In other words, the source doesn't say it's just a continuation of the exploitation style, but that the style has evolved beyond that. We should make that clear if we're going to add that source there. What do others think? Akerans (talk) 18:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's alright to add that it's in the style of the Grindhouse film with that cite. I wouldn't say "evolves" which could be misconstrued that it's better or something (which could be viewed as an opinion). Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:39, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tend to agree with that. I've added the reference back in. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 14:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was reading his quote that this movie evolved beyond Grindhouse, when he really said it evolved beyond the trailer. I misread, my mistake. I agree, it's fine the way it is. Akerans (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:OR?
I'm wondering how the plot contains original research? Is that a valid tag for the plot section or should it go at the top of the article?  Mike  Allen   06:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: it was added by User:Gman124 here.  Mike   Allen   06:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Budget 20 or 25
"Rodriquez indie financed Machete with million from selling international rights to Sony and making some other global sales and another  million he borrowed." (Source) To me, that reads  million. What do others think? If the current source is ambiguous, then we need better sourcing. Will look in the mean time. Akerans (talk) 17:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This article says "...would mean to the million film". —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 17:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Moviefone says this movie "cost only an estimated million to make". — Marychan41 (talk) 17:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe some better sourcing will come out. If not, should we use these three sources and say " to million"? Akerans (talk) 00:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Box Office Mojo showing million for budget. Akerans (talk) 00:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess we have the answer right now. Marychan41 (talk) 13:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Based on Marvel comics character?
Machete shares a name, powers, and appearance with a D-list Marvel Comics villain http://i.imgur.com/6FrOp.jpg All coincidence?

Apple sauced (talk) 22:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Succession in the Infobox
I assume this is maybe a succession of Grindhouse-related films? The infobox doesn't really say what the succession is supposed to be. A succession without context isn't particularly useful. 136.181.195.10 (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It's a stand alone film based on the Grindhouse double feature fake trailer. Grindhouse was projected to play two movies back to back with four fake trailers in between, one of them Machete. So it's not a sucession of any sort but an old project finally done by Rodriguez. It might be that he will do Machete number 2.--Patlalrique (talk) 00:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Release
Is this slated to screen anywhere besides the US? Especially Australia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.154.40 (talk) 14:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Danny Trejo, 66 years old??
That joke aint even funny, he is at max 56 years old, i bet it was vandalism by the Sylvester Expendebales Stall1 fanboy losers again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.18.209 (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Confirmed in every source I can find that has published his birthday. Born in 1944.  Millahnna (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Cast
Rose Mcgowan is defenitely not in the movie. If this cast include actors from the fake trailer in the Grindhouse movie pack it should be specified. In the Machete section of the Grindhouse movie article is not included Rose Mcgowan. So if nobody minds i'll deleted this entry like i did before.--Patlalrique (talk) 00:09, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The R.M. page mention that she was in scene cut from the theatrical version. Unless proof that she will be in the home version, she shoudn't be in the cast list.--70.35.164.208 (talk) 03:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Machete's given name
All I can find in the credits is "Machete Cortez". But obviously "Machete" is a nickname. His family woudn't call him that. When his wife is killed, she calls out to him, it sounds like "Fidel". Any other evidence? (I know this probably constitutes OR and is ineligible for the article, but maybe it's mentioned somewhere citeable.) Barsoomian (talk) 08:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Do subtitles in any language assign him a Christian name? Varlaam (talk) 15:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I too think it's Fidel – as opposed to Miguel – and as we see, he is a loyal sort of person. Varlaam (talk) 15:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The English subtitles are generally incomplete, ignoring most of the pendejos and cabrones. Varlaam (talk)
 * When Jessica Alba's character searches computer records his computer file appears on the screen and states that his given name is "Machete Cortez."--KJRehberg (talk) 14:17, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

"When I met Danny"
Since Rodriguez and Trejo are supposed to be actual cousins, I am curious about this first meeting. Varlaam (talk) 15:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Cuchillo
In his records, we see that one of Machete's aliases is Cuchillo (knife). Cuchillo is the name of Trejo's character in Predators. Varlaam (talk) 16:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Pool Scene
when Booth's wife and daughter were out in the pool ready to make a video - they were not aware Machete was there - so what WERE they going to do? make a video themselves? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.4.136 (talk) 19:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Introduction
Cleaned up the grammar a bit, and also removed the part about "Machete Kills Again" because even though it's been noted in interviews with the principals of the production, I haven't found a reliable source yet beyond a couple of fan-boy blogs for "Machete Kills Again...In Space!" Crimson667 (talk) 13:02, 13 November 2013 (UTC)