Talk:Machine Gun (Jimi Hendrix song)

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I'm not very good at editing and I am a total newbie to working on wikipedia. Regardless, I am alerting you to a necessary change on this page that someone must make. In the articles reference #1, the linking article states "Jimi Hendrix's tone during the song Machine Gun, recorded live at the Fillmore East in New York in 1970, is one of the shining moments in the history of the electric guitar." It states that his tone is a shining moment, but your article states that the performance is. This is an important error. Although it is definitely considered an superb performance, the article that you have referenced does not state that. The entire linked reference talks about his tone. Maybe you can change the article to also include that his tone has been considered one of the shining moments of guitar or something along those lines. Thank you very much for your time. -Long time Hendrix fan! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by revmusic on Jan.7, 2007. (talk &bull; contribs).

What is unreferenced? Man I really hate wikipedia. I'm going to go listen to the damn song, more enjoyment than this crap. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ezy ryder (talk &bull; contribs).


 * Unreferenced means the articled does not cite sources for any of it's contents. Verifiability is one of the three policies for wikipedia content, along with neutral point of view and no original research. Welcome to wikipedia, if you decide to stay. &mdash; ApolloCreed (comment) (talk) 05:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

well said ezy rider —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.233.49 (talk • contribs)


 * The lyrics probably shouldn't be here at all, as per [|this policy]. PurpleChez (talk) 15:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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I just changed the article so it states that it is a soldier in "War" as Jimi never specifically stated that Vietnam was his target. In fact, as a strong supporter of the US army (being an ex para-trooper), he stated in several interviews he had few political oppositions to the current war. (ie. his Dick Cavett interview concerning the Star Spangled Banner performance at Woodstock.)
 * in the band of gypsys and i. of wight recordings, he explicitly dedicates the song to the soldiers fighting in vietnam. i heavily doubt that a countercultural musician who releases an anti-war song in 1970 and dedicates the piece to vietnam soldiers did not intend it to refer to that war specifically. Joeyramoney 21:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Stop changing the lyrics back to farmer, he says fight like a bomber, not farmer.


 * Can you find a legitimate citation to make a clear differentiation? To me it sounds much more like he says "farmer" than "bomber"(at least on the band of gypsys recording, it also appears to be farmer on the 3 other recordings I have, even on the studio recording from crash landing) and farmer is the more logical choice since he's referring to an axe. PipOC 00:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

It's farmer. Deal with it.

To me it sounds like he says "farmer" the first time and "bomber" the second time. (gypsy performance)

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The lyric is "pick up my axe and fight like a BARBER"... Remember, this is 1970, long hair is considered a social stigma (a symbol of the anti-establishment, anti-war youth of the time). The "barber" is chopping down hair (symbolic of the youthful "Hippie" movement) same as the war is actually chopping down the youth.

I suppose we will never know if he mean axe as "guitar" (a common nickname)? If so, then he is really making a beautiful social comment. This comment compliments and expands on his statement in the lyrics to "If 6 was 9." Wherein, he states, "If all the hippies cut of all their hair; I don't care." These lyrics are ironic; of course, Hendrix cared a great deal about (as he later states in that song).

Clearly, Jimi hated war; he got out of the Army as soon as he could, and rarly ever spoke of his service (three times actually in all his interviews--two of which were during the Dick Cavett Show interview referenced above). This is an anti-war song with a deep series of themes pertinent to the youth and movement of those times, as well as the conflict that was Vietnam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.80.118.67 (talk) 03:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

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I removed the 2nd half of the 2nd paragraph ("The song is not a song: Hendrix directly and exquisitely projects the sound of a human soul. The "song" simply, is everything. It represents the limits of originality, musicality and virtuosity. For this reason "Machine Gun" arguably represents the single greatest piece of music of any genre in any era. It is unmatched."). As far as POV this was totally over the top. The extended quote from the lyrics of the song probably violate policy as well. PurpleChez (talk) 18:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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