Talk:Machine Gun Kelly (musician)/Archive 1

HayleyLundblad (talk) 22:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Machine Gun Kelly (MGK) technically isn't signed to the label "Bad Boy" anymore; as of 2014 Bad Boy is no longer a label. On January 12, 2015 MGK announced (via instagram and twitter) that he landed a role in the new television series Roadies which will premier on Showtime in 2015, therefore that should be added to the "Filmography" section. Other than filmography, the "2013- present" category needs to be updated. Since his last mixtape he has released three singles: Sail, Wanna ball, and his latest, Till I Die. MGK's "MTV Europe Music Award for Best US Act" and his EMA for "U.S. Artist about to go Global" should be added under "Awards" category as well.

Other than information needing to be updated some of the material needs to have references. For example, in the "Personal life" category there is a quote, ""Not long after, an 18 year-old MGK welcomed his own child, a daughter named Casie. The infant gave the rapper new incentive to work even harder."" however, there is no source after the quote. Basically readers aren't able to distinguish where the quote came from, making it unreliable. Throughout the different sections MGK is referred to by different names (Kells, Kelly, MGK, Machine Gun Kelly, or Baker). I think he should be referred to as one name throughout the entire article. Unless you're a fan you probably wouldn't know what the article meant when it refers to him as "Kells" so that should be changed to eliminate confusion.

HayleyLundblad (talk) 21:53, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Notable?
Is this guy anywhere near notable enough to be given an article? He's done some mix tapes and a full album hasn't even been released yet. He's most known for a flashmob stunt at a mall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.19.28 (talk) 21:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

He's beyond notable. He deserves a bigger article than this.

Since his Verizon commercial he's gained a bit more notoriety and a fairly sizable following on Twitter (nearly 300,000 as of Mar 9 2012) Biographical information seems relevant. Sources are sorely needed though — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.255.23.14 (talk) 01:42, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 April 2012
Machine Gun Kelly's Real Name Is Not Richard Colson Baker It Is Just Colson Baker

Although there is much debate due to antiquated sources that were false, his real name is JUST Colson Baker. I can provide birth certificate and passport -- and here is a published source from Variety.com:

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/machine-gun-kelly-tommy-lee-netflixs-motley-crue-pic-the-dirt-1202669027/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.200.76.4 (talk) 23:15, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

99.9.203.19 (talk) 03:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 00:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 May 2012
He has recently made a song called Oh My God by the Madden brothers featuring MGK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDrGi6ywJf0

Criss23cross (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. That means you'll need to provide a specific wording and you'll have to state where exactly the text should be added. --Six words (talk) 23:52, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 June 2012
The headlining picture for Machine Gun Kelly (MGK) (Rapper), is the same picture for the mob member of the same name. The picture is not of Colson Baker (MGK) on that page.

217.86.28.61 (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: see below. Mdann52 (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 June 2012
I just submitted a request expressing that the picture on Colson Baker's (MGK) (rapper) page is not of him, but a mobster with the same name.

An actual picture of him is here: http://audiofeen.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/081111-music-mgk.jpg

Thank you.

217.86.28.61 (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: All images need to be uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons for use on the encyclopaedia    Mdann52 (talk) 19:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Lace Up
Lace Up is scheduled to be released in October according to Jay Leno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljYpLB6Lb2c This video is the performance of MGK and in the beginning Jay Leno says Lace Up will be released in October. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.239.113 (talk) 21:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Huh?
The s*** is a "a mixed race school?"

"John Henry Haines was born on April 20, 1420, in Houston, Texas to missionary parents." WTF does this have to do with this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.10.170 (talk) 20:13, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Suggested move

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The result of the move request was: move. Cúchullain t/ c 16:00, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

MGK → Machine Gun Kelly (rapper) –  STATic   message me!  02:40, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

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 * Support: Primarily known as Machine Gun Kelly as MGK is just an abbreviation for the former. In this January 2013 interview he says that MGK is more of a gimmick and he will be known again as Machine Gun Kelly. He also has been known as Machine Gun Kelly for all but about one year of his career. Machine Gun Kelly rapper (news) also turns up more results then MGK rapper or this. Also should be the title per WP:COMMONNAME.  STATic  message me!  02:42, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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Name
MGK's real name is Colson Baker not Richard Colson Baker. He clarifies that in this video [1 ] At about 5:25 he says his first name is not Richard. Then at around 6:04 he says that his name is just "Colson Baker". Also in the description of this picture he explains that Colson is his government name [2 ]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SHWLaceUp (talk • contribs) 20:51, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * But the police report still says "Richard Colson Baker". And what is a government name? noq (talk) 11:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 April 2013
Machine Gun Kelly name is Colson Kelly Baker, he has confirmed this in a video and also on his Facebook account. it is NOT Richard never has been never will be. It's false information that he wants taken down.

Chelseahurring (talk)
 * The police report still says Richard Colson Baker. Why would the police put down the wrong name? That does not make any sense.  STATic  message me!  14:39, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * See above Talk:Machine_Gun_Kelly_(rapper). Reliable sources (such as the police report) have indicated that his real, legal name is Richard Colson Baker. Do you have a reliable source (not a Facebook name) that indicates otherwise?  Spencer T♦ C 18:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

June 7 2013 comment
He has personally stated that his name is Colson Baker. If you go to his website www.mgklaceup.com it will say this: "Born Colson Baker in Houston, Texas, MGK lived almost a dozen places, including Egypt, before moving to Denver, Colorado with his father after his mother began a new life with a new man...." Please help me change it! People always call him Richard which is so wrong!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia086 (talk • contribs)
 * As stated above, reliable sources (such as a police report) indicate that his full legal name is "Richard Colson Baker". He might go by Colson Baker on his website, but reliable sources include the "Richard". No changes will be made without reliable sources indicating otherwise.  Spencer T♦ C 20:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

edit request
The disambiguator should link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Gun_Kelly 89.242.199.213 (talk) 12:13, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand what you intend, but the thing is that Machine Gun Kelly doesn't redirect to this article, Machine Gun Kelly (rapper). So someone searching for that will end up on that article, not here. On the other hand, MGK redirects to this article so it would make sense to link to MGK (disambiguation) because if they just type in MGK looking for something else, the link is more helpful. I hope this makes sense.  Spencer T♦ C 18:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2014
his name is "colson baker" not "Richard"

Edward19xx (talk) 21:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2015
Hello. I just wanted to edit Machine Gun Kelly's real name, it is not Richard. It is Colson Kelly Baker. he has said this in many interviews and is you check his Instagram feed his name clearly states Colson Kelly Baker. The EST Fam hate it that his name is wrong and we would really like it if it was his proper name.

thank you and i hope you understand our concern.

Lace Up

Jordan

Unodostrexxx (talk) 17:06, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2015
please change the picture of the artist to the one below because the current one is outdated (2012) http://flashmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Machine-Gun-Kelly-Attends-BET-Awards-Microsoft-Theater-Los-Angeles-California-June-28-2015.jpg

Devwsj (talk) 23:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC) Please note that the picture must not be copyright, which excludes almost all images that you find on the internet, in magazines etc., and you will need proof that it is not copyright, just saying it is not copyright is not acceptable. - Arjayay (talk) 16:08, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2016
Not Jesse in Roadies. Should be Wesley.

142.233.200.21 (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2016 (UTC) More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
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Name again
Name should be Colson Baker. NO Richard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.167.40.2 (talk) 16:49, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Name should JUST be Colson Baker. NO Richard.

http://www.sho.com/roadies/cast/wesley http://collider.com/roadies-machine-gun-kelly-colson-baker-interview/ https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/08/colson-baker-aka-machine-gun-kelly-talks-roadies-i.html 167.167.40.2 (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Please read the Talk:Machine Gun Kelly (rapper) section above. Consensus was to keep Richard in the name on the basis of official records showing it. noq (talk) 18:09, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2017
2601:14C:8000:21A9:34B0:4E61:E007:DD28 (talk) 02:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

No changes requested —   IVORK  Discuss 02:54, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Name Change from Richard Colson Baker to Colson Baker
Requesting a change of his name "Richard Colson Baker" to "Colson Baker". Source is his government issued passport: http://i.imgur.com/OqiBS7o.jpg 69.62.180.135 (talk) 03:29, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  IVORK  Discuss 06:30, 17 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Are you serious? How is a photo of a government issued passport, taken by the passport holder, and uploaded to the same person's Facebook account considered an unreliable source? Or did you miss the part where there's an actual, legitimate citation to support the fact the guy's name is wrong and should be fixed? Assuming you did, here's the ORIGINAL SOURCE of the passport photo, which I linked to in my request: https://www.facebook.com/machinegunkellymusic/photos/a.285190090484.142076.77825595484/10154897830475485/?type=3&theater --69.62.180.135 (talk) 21:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Are we seriously going to stick with an old and out of state arrest record as a more genuine source than a recent passport issued by the Unites States of America? This page has caused such a headache for the artist with people who do not know him approaching him and calling him "Richard" that he has provided sources repeatedly that show his name is Colson in an effort to get it to stop. Are we going to argue that it's a digitally altered image or something? This is truly getting ridiculous.--2601:14C:8000:21A9:59FC:20F1:9204:2A8 (talk) 22:35, 17 March 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Generally social media isn't taken as a valid source as the above is not impossible. However due to the weight behind his following, it appears legitimate. —   IVORK  Discuss 13:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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Name dispute
As there was a major confusion regarding his real birth name, if you click on the link provided - - this was from his official website created by the rapper himself. In that website, he clearly states he was born solely as "Colson Baker", with NO name change. Changing it back to "Richard Colson Baker" is providing false biographical information and is not adherent to Wikipedia policy.

PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 18:17, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


 * edit* I had missed the above post as it was added to the top instead of the bottom of this talk page.
 * Recently there has been a spate of edits disputing the name given on the article prior to this. They have referred mostly to facebook as a source that he calls himself by another name. Please refer to the Wikipedia policy here - especially point 4. As the original name is sourced to an official source, this casts doubt on the self published claim and as such that claim cannot be used to justify it.  Please revert back to the long time consensus name unless you can provide a  better source than the police report to justify the new name.  noq (talk) 17:28, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As explained above, a self-published source does not trump an official source - dropping the Richard is against policy - not leaving it in. There are many reasons people do not use their whole names but that does not mean that it does not exist. You need to explain what is wrong with the official reference other than he does not acknowledge the "Richard" part for it to be discounted. noq (talk) 18:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:PRIMARY secondary sources take precedent over primary sources: "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources." So it seems there is no consistency in either the primary or secondary sources (although many say Richard). How shall we resolve this?-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 17:10, 8 July 2015 (UTC)-- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 17:21, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Primary sources:
 * "Born Colson Baker in Houston, Texas" -- MGK's website
 * "Baker, Richard" Pinellas County police report
 * Secondary sources:
 * ""MGK, or Machine Gun Kelly, is a Cleveland rapper born Richard Colson Baker."" Billboard magazine
 * "Born Colson Baker, he endured an adolescence on Cleveland's East Side that played like ghetto Monopoly" Scene
 * Born Richard Colson Baker has an estimated net worth of $1.2 million Born Rich
 * "MGK, whose real name is Colson Baker, was born in Houston and spent the first four years of his life in Egypt". Cleveland.com
 * "Richard Colson Baker, also known as Machine Gun Kelly was born on April 22, 1990 in Houston, Texas" IndieHipHop
 * And this one which is currently cited in the article: "Rising local rap star Machine Gun Kelly, real name Richard Colson Baker," Clevelend.com-- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 18:46, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Looking at the sourcing, the primary sources provide acceptable confirmation to available secondary ones that MGK's legal name is "Richard Colson Baker". The Cleveland Scene I would argue is not a reliable source (frequent sensationalizing in the articles), or at least is less reliable than the Cleveland Plain Dealer, and the Cleveland Plain Dealer article that says "Colson Baker" is from 2010. There are 2011, 2012, and 2014 sources from the Cleveland Plain Dealer that list "Richard Colson Baker" that take precedent since they are all more recent. All in all, I would say that the evidence from secondary sources, as corroborated by reliable primary sources (and bear in mind that this is not information synthesis from different primary sources to come to a creative conclusion, which is what the purpose of WP:PRIMARY is), suggests the same thing, that his name is "Richard Colson Baker".  Spencer T♦ C 14:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with your assessment of the sources.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 19:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Dear Admin, There is consensus here on the talk page to include 'Richard' in the subject's name per the secondary sources. However, User:PsychopathicAssassin refuses to join in talk page discussion and instead repeatedly reverts the inclusion of 'Richard'. This is in spite several requests for discussion and warnings to stop edit warring on this issue. Can you help us to resolve this? Many thanks.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 15:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Seconded. I am an admin, but am probably considered "involved" at this point and would prefer a third party to analyze. These same discussions have occurred several times over the years, and with the same conclusion.  Spencer T♦ C 17:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll review the conversation as an uninvolved party with the ability to technically handle the outcome. Mkdw talk 01:17, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe there to be a "policy-based" consensus to recognize Richard as being part of the artists name as per the reliable sources that cite it in his full name. A primary source is not necessarily subject to the truth, only what the author intends for the public, whereas the larger notable publications are subject to editorial oversight and journalistic integrity on the reporting of factual information. In lieu of no government issued ID for verification, the secondary sources prevail. I recommend to the editors to restore "Richard" and the accompanying citations to the article and revert any attempts to undo it. I remind the editors here that consensus can change and if a following conversation determines it should be removed, that decision and consensus supersedes this recommendation. A final warning will be issued to whereby further attempts to revert it without forming a new consensus will be deemed disruption under our edit war policy.  Mkdw talk 01:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I certainly agree that if new reliable secondary sources come to light the issue can be discussed further and the outcome changed if the new sources dictate such a reversal.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#085;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 20:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Checking sources like his official website, which is managed by MGK himself, seems like a viable and the most reliable source to gain and get his real name, which is indeed Colson Baker. There were also a YouTube interview he was a part of where he was credited solely as Colson Baker as well as the movie Beyond the Lights, where he starred. Colson Baker seems like the best option going forward. (Stole the style, I know --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#085;">PsychopathicAssassin</b> • Talk  • 20:48, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * @User:PsychopathicAssassin, please do not continue reverting changes on the MGK page before establishing a new consensus here. While his official website might seem like a reliable source, it is a non-independent primary source (see Identifying and using self-published works). Simply because he has been credited as such in other media does not mean that "Richard" is not in his legal name. Many actors frequently alter their names for movies. For example, see Tom Cruise: "Tom Cruise (born Thomas Cruise Mapother IV; July 3, 1962) is an American actor and filmmaker." Simply because he says his name is Tom Cruise does not mean that "Thomas Cruise Mapother IV" isn't his original name.  Spencer T♦ C 15:16, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I have blocked for a period of 24 hours for violating our policies against edit warring. This may be an obvious solution, but has it been considered to change the lede to include both? i.e. Richard Colson Baker, sometimes publicly credited as Colson Baker and better known by his stage names MGK and Machine Gun Kelly, is an American rapper, songwriter and actor... Consensus is often about finding a compromise especially when both sides have valid arguments and our policies do not perfectly accommodate the situation.  Mkdw talk 18:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am amenable to that; that is a good proposal.  Spencer T♦ C 06:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts on the above proposal? Mkdw talk 19:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Generally I'm not in support of it. One, too much detail in the lead. Two, undue weight being given to the naming issue which to my knowledge has not been given any weight in the sources. Three, too many names in the lead. It already gives three names (Richard Colson Baker, MGK and Machine Gun Kelly). Four, I'd feel like I was making a concession just to pacify an editor who wants to bully edit instead of having a discussion.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#085;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 00:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I have a counter proposal: I would support this text (above) which includes all the versions of his name that appear in reliable sources without giving any explanation, detail or undue weight to any particular version.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#085;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 21:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Richard Colson Baker (born April 22, 1990), also known as Richard Colson, MGK and Machine Gun Kelly.

The way the article is opened is fine. Although this name dispute is still confusing to me, (says on his website as Colson, says on his digital album booklet for Lace Up as "R. Colson Baker", but this ain't my hill to die on, so I'll let it go), the opening covers what it needs to cover. His real name (R. Colson Baker) and any possible stage names (MGK and Machine Gun Kelly). Changing it to your version, Keith, is stupid. PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 18:17, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The current lead is supported by WP guidelines and since PA says they are willing to accept it we can all move on to more productive activities now. Thanks everyone.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#085;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 15:58, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad it all worked out. If ever in doubt, please do not hesitate to ask inquiries on the talk page or at places like the WP:TEAHOUSE. Discussions must always precede controversial changes if contested. That was one the issues. I didn't think you had a bad argument. You even cited a policy to support your position. There was however another policy that override the policy you based your argument on which is why a consensus formed against using the primary sources in this case. Regards,  Mkdw talk 15:06, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Who was right all along? Apologies will be wholeheartedly accepted for my banning and general misconduct towards me, humans who have been proven incorrect. PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 13:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I think you should read WP:TRUTH. You seemed to have missed the point of the discussion or failed to acknowledge all the other times primary sources are wrong or problematic. Based upon your block log and disruption over relatively few edits, including your latest remark, it's questionable whether your involvement is a WP:NETPOSITIVE. <span style="color:black;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">Mkdw  <span style="color: #0B0080;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">talk 05:28, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Whatever you say, dude. You can spin it any way you want, but it doesn't undermine the truth. And the truth is I was right, and you were wrong. PsychopathicAssassin (talk) 13:08, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Uhm... Y'all, he has again stated that he is only referred to as Colson (his 'Almost' music video) and in the song 'Confessions' from his latest release, Fuck It. He again says his name is solely Colson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PsychopathicAssassin (talk • contribs) 19:33, 11 September 2015

(show series of calendar pages flipping forward four months)

Another suggestion for compromise: get rid of "Richard", even if it is the name on his birth certificate (which we haven't seen). The name on my birth certificate (names changed to protect anonymity) is "Cedric Frederick Jones". Virtually everybody knows me as "Fred Jones". Outside my immediate family, I doubt anybody who heard "Cedric Jones" would have a clue who you were talking about. The "Cedric" only shows up as an initial initial in my signature, and on a very few documents related to government and banking. If MGK's case is similar, I don't see anything wrong with saying "his name is Colson Baker", as long as it's not claimed that that is his original or official name. Given the contradictory evidence, his official name is something we simply don't know, but I suggest that it's maybe not important. I think a lot of this stems from a feeling that an original or official name is somebody's "real" name, but most of us have different names by which we are known in different circumstances. A name is a label, not something that is inherent in the person. While I hate to stir up the pot again, I can see the frustration in the editors that currently persist in changing it with no respect for consensus. My two cents. Willondon (talk) 03:12, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * So your compromise is to ignore the sources that state Richard because it is easier to let people who dispute that without any evidence choose to remove it. Not much of a compromise. The name someone is typically known by can change over time and be different for different groups of people. We have official sources that give his name as Richard and so unless we can find something that shows that is in error it should remain per the consensus reached above. noq (talk) 18:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Proof: https://www.instagram.com/p/BRuLpZDgGIc/?taken-by=machinegunkelly&hl=en — Preceding unsigned comment added by EnglandPJ (talk • contribs) 21:19, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Real name does not involve richard
For proof, here is his instagram where he personally clarified this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BRuLpZDgGIc/?taken-by=machinegunkelly&hl=en


 * The Texas Birth Index shows his birth name as Richard Colson Baker. It looks like he dropped "Richard" at some point, otherwise his passport would have "Richard Colson". So I will use "Richard" as the birth name. Arbor to SJ (talk) 05:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2017
Auroracarluccigaga (talk) 22:11, 4 July 2017 (UTC)MGK's name is just Colson Baker not Richard. he posted it himself on instagram.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Self-published media is not considered a reliable source. This includes social media posts like this. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 02:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Name
Is MGK's name "Colson Baker" or "Richard Colson Baker"? I myself am not sure, but I've seen this going back and forth on the page for a while, and I'd like to open up a discussion about this on the talk page to establish a consensus.  Spencer T♦ C 03:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The police booking report and Plain Dealer article  include "Richard", and these are reliable sources. I'm going to go ahead and use this, unless someone finds that these sources are incorrect and has a more reliable source to prove it.  Spencer T♦ C 03:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

His real name is Colson Baker. This is a more reliable source. I'm also part of his fan base EST 19XX. http://thesource.com/2014/11/09/exclusive-colson-mgk-baker-talks-playing-kid-culprit-in-beyond-the-lights/

Keeshamarie4 (talk) 14:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)Keesha

His real name is Colson Baker, he confirmed it on his official facebook fan page https://www.facebook.com/machinegunkellymusic/posts/10150553390885485

Wokeyourlife (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2015 (GMT+2)

He posted a picture of his passport showing his given name as Colson. http://i.imgur.com/OqiBS7o.jpg Can we please stop this Richard thing now? It's become quite the headache. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14C:8000:21A9:34B0:4E61:E007:DD28 (talk) 02:13, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Mgk Axel Debbarma (talk) 23:54, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

age
Still says he is 27 when he is indeed 28 now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.233.152 (talk) 14:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2018
2A01:CB00:2ED:6100:897F:BAF5:FEB8:C3E5 (talk) 07:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 08:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on August 10, 2018
I'm not sure what was going on with the most recent edit from User:Binksternet but the only way to remove the subject's actual first name, Richard, and explain it as "unreferenced" is to, well, not go through the references. The three cites that follow the first two words of the article all confirm that his first name is Richard, but since he's attempted to disavow it and just go by Colson, his fans have spent years trying to censor this article accordingly. Please reinstate, in the infobox, lead paragraph, and "1990–2009: Early life and career beginnings" section, the guy's full name, which is Richard Colson Baker. 2602:306:BC31:4AA0:A1A8:1603:75A7:EAF2 (talk) 23:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe the name Richard was removed earlier based on this Instagram post showing a photo of MGK's current passport, with MGK complaining about the "debate" over his "actual name". I assumed that the passport name was his birth name, but it seems that MGK dropped Richard as a first name some time in the last few years, and got a new passport to reflect that change, which doesn't erase the name given at birth. So I'll restore the birth name with a hidden note. Binksternet (talk) 23:41, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅. Binksternet (talk) 23:46, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on September 1, 2018
"MGK has openly spoken about his previous 2-year heroin addiction, making a song referencing the addiction titled "Lead You On", and with the song having a profound impact on him, it has allowed for him to self-refer "Lead You On" as his most meaningful song.[41]"

The last half of this is a mess - this shouldn't be in the passive voice and it makes the sentence unwieldy. Break it off at the first reference of "Lead You On" and then follow up with a sentence that says "He has referred to "Lead You On" as his most meaningful song." 2A02:C7D:E0A0:3B00:1D9E:445B:5C74:7275 (talk) 10:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2018
The word chipotle in this sentence "Despite his rising popularity, MGK found himself working at Chipotle to afford rent..." links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipotle (the wikipedia page of the actual chipotle chili) and instead it should point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipotle_Mexican_Grill (the restaurant) since the sentence makes it clear he was working at the restaurant, not with a chili. 2600:1702:3870:2930:C73:D1F9:D1EF:47F8 (talk) 11:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks! &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 13:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2018
Remove final sentence of first paragraph; "Killed by Eminem. RIP." Instead replace with 'On the 14th of September 2018, Eminem released a diss track against Machine Gun Kelly. It’s in response to Kelly’s “Rap Devil,” which itself was a response to Eminem’s “Not Alike.” Crusherbond (talk) 22:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done. — <b style="color:blue">MRD2014</b> <b style="color:red">Talk</b> 12:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2018
A part of his recent career regarding his "beef" with Eminem is not added to this page. There should be a part talking about it as it has recently stirred some drama around the two rappers. Notorious Em (talk) 22:47, 14 September 2018 (UTC)


 * There is a part discussing this on the article, so marking this as Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done. — <b style="color:blue">MRD2014</b> <b style="color:red">Talk</b> 12:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2018
Maybebakerjosh (talk) 07:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)machine gun kelly died on 15 september 2018
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  08:30, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hatnote
Hello, what is your justification against my removal of the hatnote? [Users will not click on Machine Gun Kelly (rapper) expecting to find a criminal gangster. The use of hatnotes is misunderstood here]. It does not meet the quota of WP:SIMILAR and defeats WP:NAMB: the name is not ambiguous, so the hatnote is not necessary to include. A link to this article is necessary at Machine Gun Kelly, as that title is ambiguous. If the gangster at Machine Gun Kelly is also a rapper, this hatnote is justified.

"MGK" redirects to this article, that is ambiguous and it has a disambiguation page, so I will add that as a hatnote.  Lazz _R  23:56, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2018
His name is Colson Baker. He has openly said there is no richard in his name anywhere 172.103.221.113 (talk) 11:12, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Dolotta (talk) 20:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This has been quite thoroughly discussed above Talk:Machine_Gun_Kelly_(rapper).  Spencer T• C 03:21, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Eminem’s daughter
Her name is Hailie, not Hallie. (Right before ref. 38 she is mentioned) proof: “daughter Hailie was born on December 25, 1995.” From eminem’s page. Eyemascrub (talk) 05:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2018
Please remove Anna Yvette from the infobox or remove the link; it redirects to a completely irrelevant subject with no context about the subject whatsoever. 66.87.149.129 (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, removed. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 17:01, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Birth
I believe he was born in 1989, he has tattoos that say so. 71.13.81.218 (talk) 17:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

No, he was born in 1990, making him 29 years old. Why does the article state he is 28? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:244:4A00:167F:9952:14C3:DB5F:95F9 (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Photo?
There is not a single photo of him in the entire article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.137.78 (talk) 21:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're right. That could improve the article. You can add image requested to a talk page in these situations; I'll do this one for you. --BDD (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok please do so Charlotte Peek (talk) 18:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

His name is not Richard
Hi! just wanted to let you know that Machine Gun Kelly's real name is not Richard. It's just Colson Baker. Many website have got this wrong and MGK himself has stated many times that is name is Colson, not Richard. He posted on his Instagram on March 17 2017 a picture of his ID showing his Name is Colson Baker. Not Richard.

Elisa.vilborg (talk) 21:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

You are right Charlotte Peek (talk) 18:07, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit Request- 10 May 2019
Add "Hotel Diablo" to the Discography list. Source: 206.47.137.141 (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)Matt

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2019
Add "Hotel Diablo" to the Discography list. Source: 206.47.137.141 (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)Matt 206.47.137.141 (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done <b style="color:black">Nici</b><b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 10:57, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2019
Machine Gun Kelly 41.246.26.77 (talk) 20:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

The information presented is a bit delayed, where as the last edit was made September 2018. With an entire 9 months of information not added.

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2019
The article states that Hotel Diablo is set to be released, but it has already been released. 2601:600:A180:1100:1873:8082:F25A:BE31 (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 18:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 27 September 2019
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved - clear consensus against (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 05:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Machine Gun Kelly (musician) → Machine Gun Kelly – Machine Gun Kelly, the musician/rapper is the more famous individual compared to the Memphis gangster. For this reason, I recommend moving this page to the proposed title. Additionally, a search on Google for the term 'Machine Gun Kelly' shows a high sweeping turnout for the musician. With that, I believe viewers of Wikipedia are more likely to be looking for the musician. Moreover, I believe the gangster page currently occupying the proposed title must be removed to another title. I initially moved the page to Machine Gun Kelly (gangster) but an administrator reversed it and suggested on my talk page to use this process, claiming it "is not an uncontroversial move". Thank you. MushroomDiamond (talk) 09:51, 27 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Neutral, but move the Memphis gangster to "Machine Gun Kelly (gangster) and create a disambiguation page at the basename. I might say there's no primary topic between the two of them. Paintspot Infez (talk) 12:18, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The gangster seems to have much greater long-term notability. The musician/rapper only uses the name because of that enduring greater notability. —BarrelProof (talk) 14:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello, BarrelProof. How do you determine the gangster has "greater long-term notability"? What methodology do you use? I hope it's not just because he existed in the progressive era. MushroomDiamond (talk) 14:38, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * One indication of the enduring notability of the gangster is the fact that he's still so well known, more than 80 years after his arrest, that a pop performer would appropriate his nickname. He and people modeled after him have been depicted in many films and television shows, and he has been part of the official timeline of FBI history. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:45, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Please also note that this is a malformed multipage move request, since the destination name is already occupied. There is a different procedure for submitting move requests in such cases. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment — I would also support, that Machine Gun Kelly should be moved to Machine Gun Kelly (gangster) and that Machine Gun Kelly should be a disambiguation page. Futebul (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose and oppose also move of gangster away from primary, the musician is WP:RECENT and trivial, and fails WP:PT in spades. Wikipedia is not an entertainment blog. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:48, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Checkuser note: I've blocked the editor who opened this requested move as a sock.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 16:53, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose – But move the gangster to Machine Gun Kelly (gangster) and create a dab page. StaticVapor message me!   17:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the namesake gangster has the long-term notability. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:56, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose both per and . Egsan Bacon (talk) 02:59, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Paintspot (since the musician doesn't get significantly more views[] less than 3.5x that of the gangster) but move the DAB to the base name since no clear primary topic by usage.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Name in main article
This article uses Baker, MGK, and Kelly to refer to the article subject. Is there a preference for one of these so that the article can be made consistent? – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:06, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020
Mgk real name is Colson Baker not Richard Colson Baker, source of the information Mgk himself via Twitter and also an image of his passport MrtM1lano (talk) 17:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The article says so. A person's current legal name and their birth name are not necessarily the same. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 17:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Error in his name
I am not able to correct his name, please help me and make the correction. MGK real name is Colson Baker, NOT Richard! The source is MGK himself that is always pissed off when journalists write his name wrong. A fan of him also had a tattoo with the wrong name because of this, he was very desolated. Look at the image of his passport that he showed online as well. MrtM1lano (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

27 club coffee
In 2020 MGK opened 27 club coffee in Cleveland Ohio Mirandamosso (talk) 04:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2021
please change birth_name: „Richard Colson Baker“ to birth_name: „Colson Baker“ 2003:6:6388:C27F:39DF:B1BC:1ED5:D598 (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Per the NYT source. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: I have undone this edit, as these sources refer to him as Colson Baker but do not contradict that he was born Richard Colson Baker, nor that he has legally changed his name from that birth name. People go by their middle names all the time. Sock   ( tock talk)  21:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

"Richard"
The source currently cited for his first name being "Richard" is, doesn't say that (anymore?), it's only down in an "also known as", but the prose says "Born Colson Baker". Also, in at the 4:44 mark, he says that he doesn't have a middle name and that Wikipedia has his name wrong. Put here because there's a hidden note to reach consensus first. Issan Sumisu (talk) 07:06, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2021
Change birth name from Richard Colson Baker to Colson Baker. Lolhahalol123 (talk) 17:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:02, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Edit Request
Change Richard Colson Baker to Colson Baker. Just watched Buzzfeed YouTube video where Colson himself states that his name is Colson Baker, he has no middle name, and that Wikipedia and other sites mistakenly put Richard as his first name, which is incorrect and his Uncle's name. Source: at 4:43 Lucifersmother (talk) 18:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Full name
he states he does not have a middle name. “Richard” is his uncles name. His full name is Colson Baker Ds293939 (talk) 21:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

King of Staten Island role
I don't know how to edit wikipedia properly but I thought I'd note for someone who did that Colson was in The King of Staten Island and credited as Colson Baker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:7882:7600:2C87:CA18:F2FB:DFFE (talk) 06:37, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2021
2021 Billboard Music Awards - Best Rock Artist - Won 76.85.154.56 (talk) 10:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Can you please cite a source saying that they did win this award? Wikipedia wants to make sure everything about a living person is true and verifiable. It could even be a source already in the article! GameTriangle  (talk) 11:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/9577049/machine-gun-kelly-wins-top-rock-artist-2021-billboard-music-awards/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.85.154.56 (talk) 17:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ in revision 1025320473.  TG HL ↗  🍁 23:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2021
Good artist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poppunkfan1710 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Untitled
In the second paragraph of the personal section “music influences” should be “musical influences”. Tried to edit but was locked — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.147.165.159 (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Request to update "Feuds" section to improve readability.
The current opening sentence describing MGK's feud with G-Eazy is included below:
 * Baker's feud with G-Eazy began after the end of G-Eazy's relationship with Halsey, when photographs were surfaced of them with Baker.

The structure of this is a little awkward, and lacks clarity. It is not clear who "surfaced of them" refers to. This should be amended as below:
 * Baker's feud with G-Eazy began after the end of G-Eazy's relationship with Halsey, when photographs of Baker and Halsey together surfaced (or, started to surface).

(talk) 13:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Request to add his 2021 iHeartRadio Award.
Hi. Please add his 2021 iHeartRadio award to "Awards and nominations" section. you can check out this link for source. AmirTyper (talk) 13:08, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2021
Please Change Machine Gun kelly's First Name From Colson To Richard. Thanks Ziadtaimor (talk) 21:14, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2021
Change Colson Baker to Richard Baker 208.85.181.33 (talk) 20:16, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DigitalChutney (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Request to add his 2021 iHeartRadio Award.
Hello my dear friends. Please add his 2021 iHeartRadio award to "Awards and nominations" section.

His album won iHeartRadio's Alternative Rock Album of the Year. you can check out this link for the source.

there is even a Wikipedia page for the winners, Check out this link.

Or if you want more resources, you can easily search "2021 iHeartRadio Music Awards" on Google to see for yourself. AmirTyper (talk) 19:12, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Name
His name says. This needs to change immediately. 2600:6C67:447F:BFCD:84C7:285D:1107:10A7 (talk) 03:23, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This vandalism was reverted.  Spencer T• C 17:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2022
In the Personal Life Section, under Feuds, about 3 sentences down:

Change: On March 1, 2018, Baker featured on a verse of Tech N9ne's song "No Reason", which Eminem then claimed that Baker's verse on the song was about him, on the diss track "Not Alike", which was released on August 31, 2018.

To: On March 1, 2018, Baker featured on a verse of Tech N9ne's song, "No Reason". Shortly after, on August 31, 2018, Eminem released his diss track, "Not Alike" where he claimed that Baker's verse on the song was about him.

Bb6531 (talk) 08:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC) Bb6531 (talk) 08:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

✅ Thanks --Hemantha (talk) 04:54, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 April 2022
Why is there no mention of his fued with Corey Taylor? Most of the information you need is right here. You can state something along the lines of: "Baker's feud with Corey Taylor stared in February 2021 when Taylor made an insult directed towards Baker without naming him, stating he hates "the artists who failed in one genre and decided to go rock." On Sunday 18, 2021 insulted Slipknot on stage at Riot Fest 2021, which they both played at, saying that he is happy that he's not a 50 year old wearing a fucking weird mask on a fucking stage.(reference for the date.) The following Monday, Baker stated that Taylor was originally scheduled to appear on his album Tickets to My Downfall, but that Taylor's verse was "fucking terrible". Taylor responded saying he didn't do it because Baker wanted him to sing words that he wrote for him. Taylor later stated that Baker started the fued in an interview where he told bands what they could or couldn't wear." Nomoregoodusernamesleft (talk) 04:34, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. –– FormalDude  talk  08:19, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Because we're an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. The feud is briefly mentioned at Tickets to My Downfall, because it was mostly relevant to that album. It could be mentioned briefly here technically too, but emphasis on the "briefly" - there's no need for all the "play by play", back and forth "and he said" type stuff. Sergecross73   msg me  12:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Then why does it mention his feuds with Eminem and G-Eazy? Why shouldn't there be any mention of his fued with Corey Taylor whatsoever? Nomoregoodusernamesleft (talk) 14:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * His feuds with both Eminem and G-Eazy influenced his music, as he has released diss tracks on both. Whereas, with Corey Taylor it was (as far as I know) just interviews, tweets and maybe a couple of mentions live in between songs. I think it should be included, but definitely not in as much detail as Eminem and G-Eazy. Maybe it already being mentioned on the album page is enough. Issan Sumisu (talk) 15:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not particularly convinced we need to cover those feuds quite so much either. This article isn't particularly the gold standard for Wikipedia being written correctly - don't assume just because it's here now that it should be. I agree with Issan that ones that lead to notable, charting music are generally more worth mentioning at least. Sergecross73   msg me  15:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Controversies
Can we address his past behaviours (involving comments on minors) here? There’s plenty of articles that discuss it and should be brought up. Though, I’m not sure how to format it. User:Chchcheckit
 * What controversies and what specific past behaviors and what reliable sources to go with them? <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #007,-4px -4px 15px #59F;">LADY LOTUS • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 19:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Basically a lot of stuff to do with his comments around under-18s/minors and sexualisation of black women early /earlier in his career.
 * (not entirely sure about this one)
 * Tweets from 2012 on Eminem's daughter, Hallie, with MGK saying she was "hot" when she was 16 and he was 21. this was the source of the eminem feud so im not so sure this is as connected BUT it flows i suppose. later mentioned in eminem's mgk diss track "Killshot" in 2018.
 * that had some repercussions for MGK: https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/machine-gun-kelly-tweet-eminem-daughter-blackballed-382059/
 * MGK's response (back with killshot ig)
 * https://people.com/music/machine-gun-kelly-apologized-eminem-six-years-ago/#:~:text=%E2%80%9COk%20so%20I%20just%20saw,Kelly%20reportedly%20tweeted%20in%202012.
 * etc, etc. sorry this one is just a brief thought
 *  (MAIN REASON THIS TALK SECTION EXISTS)  these two things:
 * comments to do with Kenall Jenner, coming from this video to fuse circa 2013. in it he MGK, who is 23, describes his celebrity crush as being Kendall jenner, who was 17, and saying that he'd be "finding her". he defended his stance (which was effectively statutory rape by saying other rock stars had had underage relationships, such as Robert Page and Axl Rose.
 * the original interview is found here: http://onsmash.com/music/machine-gun-kellys-intimate-interview-with-fuse/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BeDQDXNA9g
 * see below for various articles covering its resurfacing on a viral tiktok in jan/feb 2022
 * https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a38938547/machine-gun-kelly-backlash-kendall-jenner-underage/
 * https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniesoteriou/machine-gun-kelly-underage-kendall-jenner-backlash
 * https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/machine-gun-kelly-kendall-jenner-b2005501.html
 * https://www.yourtango.com/news/machine-gun-kelly-history-sexualizing-underage-girls
 * theres prolly more
 * (and)
 * i dont know how to refrence in the context of the page, but electronic musician Alice Glass  also made a series of tweets in feb 2022 criticising the fuse interview, saying it was "predatory". she also called him out on a video with him sexualising black women. A.G. has asked MGK to apologise for both these things (mgk has not yet responded).
 * A.G.'s tweet/thread? on the fuse interview:
 * https://twitter.com/ALICEGLASS/status/1505897455367311362
 * A.G.'s tweet/thread? on the black women video:
 * https://twitter.com/ALICEGLASS/status/1505900546607091717?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 * and several news outlets covering the story
 * https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/alice-glass-accuses-machine-gun-kelly-predatory-behaviour-underage-girls/
 * https://www.nme.com/news/music/alice-glass-asks-machine-gun-kelly-to-apologise-for-predatory-behaviour-3186948
 * https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/leylamohammed/machine-gun-kelly-backlash-fetishizing-black-women-interview
 * https://www.papermag.com/alice-glass-mgk-black-women-2657023369.html?rebelltitem=3#rebelltitem3
 * ...and many, many, many more links about alice glass saying this. ig
 * this is all im aware of for now. you can probably find the full set of alice tweets on twitter, and maybe a bit more. but it appears to have been well covered by websites.
 * just a thought! there appears to be no mention of any of this anywhere so.. yeah? thats all for now Chchcheckit (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * (hi can i get a response on this?) Chchcheckit (talk) 10:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is another source for Alice Glass.
 * https://exclaim.ca/music/article/alice_glass_blasts_machine_gun_kelly_for_disgusting_comments_fetishizing_underage_girls_and_black_women

Nomoregoodusernamesleft (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Feud with Slipknot
The feud with Slipknot should be included on this page which allegedly began with Corey Taylor refusing to do a song with MGK 146.200.250.115 (talk) 12:34, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi can we tag this as anwered? the thing below "controversies" answers this with a straight no Chchcheckit (talk) 20:36, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Poor writing
Topics change mid-paragraph. Writing gaps. 2603:7080:105:EFE0:8412:6D9D:A5F0:8EC0 (talk) 01:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please give an example of what you are wanting changed or give a specific request. <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #007,-4px -4px 15px #59F;">LADY LOTUS • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 15:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2022
MY REQUEST: Would the author please review and edit the last paragraph of the “Early life” section? It doesn’t make sense. The previous paragraph makes no mention of his father ever leaving, and the last paragraph states that when his father returned, he moved them both to the Middle East. Returned from where? Who exactly is the “both”, the subject of the article and who else?? Thanks! Jenz4Wiki (talk) 11:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Since the ref doesn’t mention his father at all, the paragraph has been removed and the remaining info that is sources has been reworked into the other paragraph <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #007,-4px -4px 15px #59F;">LADY LOTUS • <span style="text-shadow:4px 4px 15px #F80,-4px -4px 15px #F08;">TALK 12:28, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Need link to disambiguation page
There's a Machine Gun Kelly (disambiguation) page for all the many uses of "Machine Gun Kelly" that the musician's young fans might not be aware of. Could someone with edit privileges kindly add the link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:65A8:5300:B0AA:ED12:D74A:3E6D (talk) 20:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2022
put the year "why are you here " came out it only has the day and month Hellloim (talk) 18:18, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: I removed your second edit request as a duplicate of this one. Please only open one edit request. Creating multiple requests does not speed up the process. Aidan9382 (talk) 20:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  22:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah I put another because it said i needed to say please change X to Y format 104.37.209.62 (talk) 18:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2022
it never says when mainstream sellout or good mourning came out 104.37.209.62 (talk) 18:20, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * please put the dates that the movie "good mourning" and "mainstream sellout" came out 104.37.209.62 (talk) 17:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2022
I want to edit the front picture to a picture that is more to do with music and how he performed.

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Richard Colson Baker
MGK was born Richard Colson Baker. He dropped Richard from his name when he started getting famous as it just didn't fit and people in battles would call him Dick in school. Because Dick is short for Richard 76.73.249.94 (talk) 12:22, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2022
Baker's role in Good Mourning as "London" in Good Mourning should be added to the "Acting Career" section. It is referenced later on, but given that he played the leading role, it's worth including in "Acting Career" section 4 as well. He starred in the film and it is undeniably a milestone in his acting career.

Please change: "Baker made his film debut in the 2014 romantic drama Beyond the Lights, where he played a "shallow, self-important" rapper named Kid Culprit.[80] In 2016, he co-starred and co-executive produced the drama film The Land, a Cleveland-set drama produced by fellow rapper Nas.[81] The same year, he had a minor role in the techno-thriller adventure film Nerve with Emma Roberts and Dave Franco; and had a recurring role on the Showtime comedy-drama series Roadies as Wes, a former Pearl Jam roadie.[82][83]He played Felix in the 2018 Netflix post-apocalyptic horror thriller film Bird Box with Sandra Bullock, and portrayed drummer Tommy Lee in The Dirt, a 2019 Netflix biographical comedy-drama about Mötley Crüe.[84] He played the role of Newt in the 2020 superhero film Project Power opposite Jamie Foxx,[85] and the following year, he co-starred with Bruce Willis and Megan Fox in the crime thriller film Midnight in the Switchgrass; and starred in the action western film The Last Son with Sam Worthington.[2]"

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"Baker made his film debut in the 2014 romantic drama Beyond the Lights, where he played a "shallow, self-important" rapper named Kid Culprit.[80] In 2016, he co-starred and co-executive produced the drama film The Land, a Cleveland-set drama produced by fellow rapper Nas.[81] The same year, he had a minor role in the techno-thriller adventure film Nerve with Emma Roberts and Dave Franco; and had a recurring role on the Showtime comedy-drama series Roadies as Wes, a former Pearl Jam roadie.[82][83]He played Felix in the 2018 Netflix post-apocalyptic horror thriller film Bird Box with Sandra Bullock, and portrayed drummer Tommy Lee in The Dirt, a 2019 Netflix biographical comedy-drama about Mötley Crüe.[84] He played the role of Newt in the 2020 superhero film Project Power opposite Jamie Foxx,[85] and the following year, he co-starred with Bruce Willis and Megan Fox in the crime thriller film Midnight in the Switchgrass; and starred in the action western film The Last Son with Sam Worthington.[2] Baker played the role of "London Clash" in the self-directed film "Good Mourning," released in 2022." Hailey1cruz (talk) 00:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ That change to part was unnecessarily long and a bit unclear. You could do something like this instead:

Also, IMDb is not a reliable source. See WP:IMDb. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:20, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: The Editing Process
— Assignment last updated by BLsxu (talk) 04:07, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2022
Machine Gun Kelly's latest film "Taurus" is not listed within his acting portion of the Wikipedia page. It would be much appreciated if this was added to make the article more modernly accurate. Thank you! UrMother09 (talk) 03:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 14:06, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2022
In the "Acting" portion of the article, it states his last acting job was on the film Good Mourning. This is incorrect due to the fact that his latest movie Taurus was released recently. I am requesting the updation of the article to bring it up to date and accurate. UrMother09 (talk) 01:11, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 14:06, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2023
change

In March 2009, while he was on the verge of getting evicted, Baker traveled to Harlem's Apollo Theater, where he had consecutive victories, making him the first ever rapper to win at the Apollo Theater. He recorded music in his home studio, which he refers to as the "Rage Cage", and started to gain exposure when he was featured on MTV2's Sucker Free Freestyle, where he freestyled numerous verses from his "Chip off the Block" single. In February 2010, he released his second mixtape 100 Words and Running, where he derived his catchphrase, "Lace Up", which started as a mixtape interlude, before making it a prominent reference in his music. Despite his rising popularity, Baker found himself working at Chipotle to afford rent, as well as being kicked out by his father after high school. Baker soon also became a father.

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In March 2009, while he was on the verge of getting evicted, Baker traveled to Harlem's Apollo Theater, where he had consecutive victories, making him the first ever rapper to win the Apollo's talent show. He recorded music in his home studio, which he refers to as the "Rage Cage", and started to gain exposure when he was featured on MTV2's Sucker Free Freestyle, where he freestyled numerous verses from his "Chip off the Block" single. In February 2010, he released his second mixtape 100 Words and Running, where he derived his catchphrase, "Lace Up", which started as a mixtape interlude, before making it a prominent reference in his music. Despite his rising popularity, Baker found himself working at Chipotle to afford rent, as well as being kicked out by his father after high school. Baker soon also became a father. Zumdar (talk) 00:43, 27 January 2023 (UTC)


 * added rolling-stone source because it's relevant and more accessible, but did not remove the [clarification needed] template. When making edit requests, please only show the segment you want to change, rather than the entire section containing it.

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2023
Update 2023 Grammy win status from Pending to Nominated. The current citation provided for the Pending status supported the Nominated status. Kokokringle (talk) 18:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ appears to have been addressed by another user. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 22:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2023
Under 'Personal life' at the bottom re his relationship with Megan Fox.

The couple sadly suffered a miscarriage in November 2021, although they haven't openly spoke about it much. Colson has since referenced the miscarriage in several songs, Last November (named after when the miscarriage happened) and Twin Flame. AdrianThompson1973 (talk) 16:46, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: the source is not good enough for a WP:BLP article. M.Bitton (talk) 15:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2023
“On December 18, 2020, Baker released the single "Why Are You Here", another pop punk song.[47]”

On December 17, 2019, Baker released the single “Why Are You Here”, another pop punk song. 70.23.10.125 (talk) 12:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:31, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

How to make a song
Talking 82.27.104.40 (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2023
Looking over the discography, I noticed there are no mixtapes, EP's, or side projects. For example, the YouTube Cyphers that released in 2023, or the Lockdown Sessions in 2020. In September of 2018 he released an EP titled Binge. In terms of mixtapes he has Fuck It (2015), Black Flag (2013), EST 4 Life (2012), Rage Pack (2011), Lace Up mixtape (2010), Homecoming (2009), Certified (2008), Stamp of Approval (2007), and Stamp of Approval Prelude (2006).

Mixtapes: Stamp of Approval Prelude (2006) Stamp of Approval (2007) Certified (2008) Homecoming (2009) Lace Up mixtape (2010) Rage Pack (2011) EST 4 Life (2012) Black Flag (2013) Fuck It (2015)

EPs: Binge (2018)

Side Projects: Lockdown Sessions (2020) The Cyphers (2023) Jhinton00 (talk) 08:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2024
1) Please change Cleveland to Shaker Heights in the Musical Career/Origin section. He didn't originate in Cleveland. This is not accurate.

2) Please change Cleveland to Shaker Heights in the list of places he lived (after Chicago, Denver, ...) because he never lived in Cleveland. This is inaccurate.

References to MGK living in Cleveland should be clarified...Shaker Heights is a suburban city outside of Cleveland. Therefore, references to him living in Cleveland are not as accurate as they could be/should be. This is important context for a white rapper whose subject matter largely involves urban life, because he didn't live in the city he lived in the suburbs. If you've spent a lot of time in Cleveland, then crossed the border into Shaker, you understand this difference very very clearly and recognize its importance. Bobeckhart (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Shaker Heights, Ohio will call Shaker Heights a suburb of Cleveland and says that it is inside the city limits. This means it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that MGK is "from" Cleveland. Further, the reliable sources we have characterize MGK as being from Cleveland (see here). The only references I could find that used MGK together with "Shaker Heights" were just ones that mentioned the high school he went to (Shaker Heights High School). 〜 Askarion   ✉  18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I recommend you, literally, read the Wikipedia page for Shaker Heights. Just in case you don't, I'll paste the important first paragraph which clearly states S.H. is outside the city limits ("abutting") and was designed as a suburban retreat from the inner city. Btw, I'm from Ohio and haver been to Cleveland 50+ times and been to S.H. at least a dozen times and when you enter S.H. there's an actual sign that says you're leaving Cleveland and entering S.H.
 * Anyway back to the actual Wikipedia page for S.H. Here it is:
 * "Shaker Heights is a city in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, United States. As of the 2020 census, the city's population was 29,439. Shaker Heights is an inner-ring streetcar suburb of Cleveland, abutting the eastern edge of the city's limits. It is a planned community developed by the Van Sweringen brothers, railroad moguls who envisioned the community as a suburban retreat from the industrial inner city of Cleveland." Bobeckhart (talk) 21:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * When I read Shaker Heights, Ohio the first time, I wasn't sure if by "abutting" the city limits they meant from the inside or from the outside. I see now that Shaker Heights is a separate city from Cleveland (that article could use some copyediting, honestly). However, this doesn't solve the issue that reliable sources will call MGK a Cleveland native (including Cleveland Magazine, WKYC, Cleveland.com, the Grammy Awards, and seemingly even MGK himself, according to Billboard). I'm fine with another editor changing it to Shaker Heights if they disagree, but I'm still having trouble finding sources saying he is "from" Shaker Heights outside of mentions that he attended Shaker Heights High School. 〜 Askarion   ✉  22:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Addendum: Dayton Daily News and The Cincinnati Enquirer will say that he is from Shaker Heights, Ohio. His early life section could use some copyediting. I'll get on that today or tomorrow. But as for the "origin" infobox, I'm not sure; I'd have to find an editor who knows more, because reliable sources certainly characterize him as a Cleveland artist whether or not he grew up in Shaker Heights. 〜 Askarion   ✉  22:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)