Talk:Macy conferences

Content of the conferences
I added a list of some of the topics discussed at the conferences, to give a sense of what they were about. The list is taken entirely from an American Society for Cybernetics page that cites research by Steve Joshua "Heims' The Cybernetics Group, Dupuy's Mechanization of the Mind, and other sources." I am not satisfied with my cherry-picking and rephrasing, but it's at least a start. dweinberger (talk) 15:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Come on, who are we kidding? The self-professed point of the entire conference was to promote an anti-authoritarian personality. This entire article is so skewed as to be somewhat embarassing, an example of how to gloss over the entire point of a subject. This group seems to have been composed of scientific determinists who were heavily into systems thinking. In other words, cybernetics was not simply "one" area of discussion; it was critical to their entire way of thinking. If we're honest about it, Freudian mass psychology (al la Ed Bernays) dominated big politcal business interests and still does today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.50.3.170 (talk) 18:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

CIA reference?
Is the fact that some of these folks went on to controversial activities for the CIA really the one follow-on fact worth citing? They also went on to contribute rather mightily in some sciences. dweinberger (talk) 15:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It is just one spin off. I think the problem here, isn't that these fact are being mentioned, but that other spin offs aren't mentioned as well. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 00:13, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Timing
The remark might be vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.32.1 (talk) 12:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It was by 180.149.192.133. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.32.1 (talk) 12:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC)