Talk:Madeleine

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In the first place, you are duplicating information unnecessarily. In the second, you're clashing with User:Xezbeth, who is diligently going around splitting off name entries from general dab pages. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I also notice that you've unlinked Madeleine (given name). Why? Clarityfiend (talk) 00:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hi, I think readers will go to that page looking for names. It doesn't make much sense to direct them elsewhere, especially when it's not done prominently. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe you're going against the consensus here. How is this any different from Tropical Storm Madeline (disambiguation) and the other dab links? Madeleine (given name) could be listed more prominently as one of the entries. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't mind where you put Madeleine (given name). I placed it under See also, as that seemed easier to find (for a reader glancing at the page, trying to find the link) than buried in a sentence at the top. But if you disagree, you're welcome to move it. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to move this discussion to the talk page, if that's okay. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've notified Xezbeth. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * It makes no sense to have a page about a woman's name, then to remove all the women and send them to another page. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

In this instance, it would probably make sense for Madeleine (given name) to be the primary topic at Madeleine, with Madeline staying where it is with the hatnote and the disambiguation page residing at Madeleine (disambiguation). If the articles stay where they currently are, then I agree that they shouldn't duplicate information, the name list should reside at the given name page where it functions as a set index. It should also get more prominence on the dab page since I imagine the name is what most people are looking for when entering "Madeleine". &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 04:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm fine with putting the names on the main page and shipping the rest to Madeleine (disambiguation). How about you, Slim? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I forgot about Madeleine (cake). That article seems to have much higher traffic than anything else. In that case I would do something similar to Mercury, and have the given name and cake at the top of the dab page, with the lede being changed to a standard disambiguation page format. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 06:18, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree that the women should be on the main page, Madeleine, but I can't see why all the dabs can't be on the same page, which would make it easier for the reader. What is the argument for splitting them? SlimVirgin (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, we have a good deal of text on the meaning and variants, which belongs in a standalone article, not in a dab page, and it makes sense to have people so named listed there. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)