Talk:Madonna singles discography/Archive 1

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 * Where is Brazil in the discography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.48.10.186 (talk) 02:02, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Singles overview section
As there is a dispute about the inclusion of a "Singles overview" section on Mariah Carey singles discography, please contribute to the discussion there in order to reach a consensus about including it in other discography articles, including this one. See the article's talk page for further discussion. - eo (talk) 21:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

New Edits
The new edits do not look good. For what ever reason, the album name is behind the single name now, which is disorientating. Also, due to recent edits, the albums column were not good as before. Can someone please reverse this change? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HardCandy08 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Flags as column headers
These need to be removed per WP:FLAGS as they are obviously being used as decoration. More importantly, the flags should not be here in place of wikilinked text showing what the numbers in the columns represent. - eo (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Flags removed from intro and column headers - they also need to be removed from the certifications section. - eo (talk) 01:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Single Sales
All the single sales are approximations. There isn't a verification info link?. Please one data source. The 1999-2008 data are United World Chart "points", no sales.
 * Yes they are approximations, still they should be around 200 million overall, which means that with albums included, Madonna must have sold almost 500 million records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.8.39 (talk) 11:42, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Japan national chart
Question: Who can give me an exact link to oficial Oricon (if it IS oficial) Japan single chart? I didn't find it ... at least where Madonna's single "4 Minutes" is in second possition!? --84.15.33.82 (talk) 16:11, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

"Candy Shop", "Beat Goes On" and "Miles Away"
Can the above "album tracks" be removed from the SINGLES page as they are not singles, they are album tracks that have charted because of individual download sales. They have never been released, only "Give It 2 Me" has been announced as the second single. Can someone please remove them. Many thanks  J W A D  (talk)

Lucky borderline
Somebody switched "Borderline" with "Lucky Star" in the tabel. "Borderline" was released before "Lucky Star", not viceversa. Could someone change it? Alecsdaniel (talk) 11:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I am afraid you are wrong about the dates: "Lucky Star" was first released in the UK in September 1983 (but didn't chart until March 1984), where as "Borderline" didn't get released anywhere until February 15, 1984. So the conclusion is "Lucky Star" was indeed released before "Borderline". Also if you check out the chronological tracklisting of The Immaculate Collection it is the same case. I hope this clears things up.  J W A D  (talk)

Die Another Day and Me Against the Music
86.1.249.35 (talk) 14:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) "Die Another Day" was a single from the soundtrack of the Bond film Die Another Day, not American Life.
 * 2) "Me Against the Music" is officially credited to "Britney Spears featuring Madonna", not "Britney Spears with/and/& Madonna".

Why this page is protected??????
Why is this page blocked????????????. Is a public page? or not..... "Give it 2 me" is number 1 in the Billboard Hot dance club play. Updated the info!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.172.61.166 (talk) 13:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Whoever has updated for Give It 2 Me, must update total no. of dance hits from 38 to 39. Seriously why the hell is this page blocked??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.179.4 (talk) 08:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

UWC and "points" need to be removed
The United World Chart itself is questioned for its legitimacy and the Wikipedia article was deleted per the WP:AfD process. The column should be removed and most definitely the meaningless "points" column needs to go. I see sourced sales figures for pre-2000 - can those be extended to replace the "points"? - eo (talk) 12:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Otto von Wernherr singles
Why aren't any of the singles released w. Otto von Wernherr listed here? I realize that they were recorded before Madonna's rise to fame and then released after the fact, but they ARE official releases, even if not released by Madonna's own label. It's not like they are bootlegs or something...Shouldn't they at least be in the collaborations section? CouplandForever (talk) 12:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * NO - Madonna only did backing vocals for OVW. Her voice was engineered afterwards to appear as if they were dueting on the songs. These songs are not relevant here as they were never released as singles, only on various albums.  J W A D  talk 01:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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Inaccuracies
Hi there, just wondered why the following releases have been taken off the page: "Holiday" (1985 re-release UK#2), "Borderline" (re-release 1986 UK#2), "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" (1986), "Crazy For You (Remix)" (re-release 1991 UK#2), "Holiday" (re-release 1991 UK#5), "Oh Father" (re-release 1995 UK#16). If its going to be an accurate discography then why omit these? The 1984 release of "Borderline" only reached #56 in 1984 in the UK, not #2 which wasn't until 1986. I think it important to keep these re-releases as it shows the full singles discography of Madonna and is fully accurate. Thanks  J W A D  talk 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * A superscript alongwith the song will do the job. Not needed to elongate teh discography more. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 03:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with  J W A D  talk. There's a huge difference from the #56 peak of '84 to the #2 of '86. Not to mention that "Holiday" has 3 peak positions, and "Oh Father" was released in the UK six years after the original release. They should be added back. Alecsdaniel (talk) 17:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No. This is not a fan page that every listing should be there. Its a discography where a superscript with the song will do the job. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 14:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what "superscript" means. Alecsdaniel (talk) 16:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Legolas You commented that "This is not a fan page that every listing should be there. Its a discography where a superscript with the song will do the job". I agree its not a fan page and that it is a discography which means in my opinion it should include all releases. If it does not then I don't feel its a true discography of the artist. Listing these releases has nothing to do with it being a "fanpage" its to do with accuracy.  J W A D  talk 18:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Therein lies my point. Im not against listing the separate release, but Im against elongating the discography further than it is. When a superscript beside the song saying that the peak was for 1986 re-release does the job then there is no point in simply adding another row. There in lies a fan page creativity as opposed to a professional looking discography. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 03:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Legolas: I don't agree with your point, and in my opinion these 6 releases should be added back into the discography as it it becomes very innacurate. If you scroll down to 1991 it shows that there was only 1 release when in fact there was 3 ("Crazy For You (Remix)" which is a new release in itself and "Holiday"/"The Holiday Collection" which is also a new release). Its not about it being a fanpage, its about accuracy and I don't feel that adding in a further 6 releases really makes much a difference to this page. There needs to be a consensus on this and not just one persons opinion of what a discography should or should not include.  J W A D  talk 18:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I don't accept turning the page into fancruft and a paper encyclopedia. None of those separate releases are supported by reliable claims and hence a superscript will do the job. No need. You are a fan I know but there is enough crap in the Madonna articles wihtout your fancruft. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 09:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * the uk release quoted are sourced here http://www.chartstats.com/artistinfo.php?id=799 . i do agree there should be some indication in the article that they were separate releases, but how to include them i dont know Mister sparky (talk) 19:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

FIMI
I think we have a problem regarding the Italian chart. It seems that the peak positions are fake, judging by this site. Should we proceed in changing the positions? Alecsdaniel (talk) 20:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Spain
I think Spain should be added to the charts, since she has many no. 1s there. Spain is also the only country in which all the singles from Hard Candy went to #1! --79.112.52.101 (talk) 22:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's great if you have the information for all of the singles, not just the #1s, and if you can adjust the table accurately. If all you know is which went to #1, I would add that in a separate section: "In Spain, the following reached #1: ..."
 * Spain was added at one point, but it was removed due to no source being present and a lack of a discography page. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 03:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Physical Attraction promo
someone want to put the Physical Attraction promo in the appropriate section? it was released as a radio promo (in edited form) in late 1982/early 1983 prior to the song being released as a double A-side with Burning Up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.113.169.97 (talk) 09:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Soundtrack singles
hey guys, just a small suggestion. hows about separating the soundtrack singles from the singles table? ie into the groove, i'll remember, die another day etc. seems to work well in other discographies and makes a long table a bit shorter and less confusing. any ideas? Mister sparky (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea but at this point the count at the bottom of the table will be screwed up then. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 03:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * then the numbers can be updated when it's changed? or just remove the counts for the time being? cos the countries need re-ordering anyways so having the counts just makes more work atm Mister sparky (talk) 11:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Let it be as it is at present. Any previous attempt at a drastic change in the discography has brought about a range of IP and fan vandalism and edit warring. Also, regarding the soundtrack singles. They have come to be regarded as more of Madonna songs than peertaining to the soundtrack. The articles all note them as a song by Madonna first and then they note that it belonged to the soundtrack. Hence, at present I feel that they are better suited in the singles table only. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 12:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

UK Charts
Many fan sites say that Celebration is her 62nd/ 61st/ 63rd UK top ten hit, whereas the tally here amounts to only 60. can someone please clarify?

Also in the intro, it says that she is the most successful female singles artists according to the 50th anniversary issue of Billboard magazine. If we go by the magazine, she was all time number 2 behind only the Beatles. That makes her the most successful singles artist, not just in the female category. Can someone please clarify this as well?

thanks so much.


 * with the uk top 10's count, fan counts include the re-entries/re-releases of holiday, borderline and crazy for you in their totals. the official uk charts company doesnt include those, so the total is 60. Mister sparky (talk) 15:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Madonna as a song writer
I wonder if anyone can supplement the information as a song writer in her discography 1995 Gary Barlow Love won't wait UK#1 1985 Nick Kamen Each time you break my heart US#1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheung takwai2 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

'Oh Father' Australian singles chart peak
I've tried to correct the 'Oh Father' AUS singles chart peak to #59 (from #51 listed), but have had it reverted a number of times, most recently by user Legolas2186. 'Oh Father' did peak at #59, not #51, on Australia's ARIA Chart, which was (and still is) considered Australia's 'official' music chart, and has been the only chart in production here since 1999. The #51 position is taken from the Australian Music Report, which ARIA licensed from May 1983 until June 1988. After this time, ARIA produced its own chart in-house. This affects Madonna's chart positions from 'Like A Prayer' onwards. All of the other chart positions listed after this time on the page are ARIA Chart peaks. An online database of the ARIA Chart Top 50 singles (and albums charts) from June 1988 can be found at http://australian-charts.com/search.asp. ARIA released the top 50 chart to the public, but a full top 100 chart was available by subscription. At the present time, positions for 51-100 are not archived online, but a book published in 2009 by Gavin Ryan, 'ARIA Singles Chart Book 1988-2008' contains top 100 information from January 1990 onwards. On page 91 of this publication, 'Oh Father' is listed as peaking at #59. It entered the top 100 on 25 Dec 1989, spending 5 weeks in the chart.

Details of the ARIA chartbook can be found here http://www.ozmusicbooks.com/_catalog_24657/Chart_Books.

David Kent, who produced the superseded Australian Music Report also published a book in 1992, 'Australian Chart Book 1970-1992' containing the Australian Music Report chart positions licensed by the ARIA Chart until June 1988, and the Australian Music Report positions from June 1988 to Dec 1992. However, the Australian Music Report was no longer considered Australia's 'official' chart during this latter period. 'Oh Father' did peak at #51 on this chart - but it makes no sense to list this position on the discography page, because, for example, 'Dear Jessie' (the following single in Australia) peaked at #41 on this chart, whilst its correct #51 ARIA Chart peak is listed on the discography page. All other chart peaks listed on the discography page are from the official ARIA Chart.

Finally, I am not a vandal/troll and have followed the charts in Australia for over 20 years. Check my contributions list and you'll see that most of the entries I edit on wikipedia relate to Australian chart information.

I also added more accurate references to the Australian chart positions on the discography page. I've reverted my edit back. Nqr9 (talk) 23:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why are you continuously removing the Austrian charts with your edits while adding the Australian books? This is the second time that you did this and it obviously falls outside of a good faith editing. That's why it was revertd in the first place. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 07:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Time Stood Still
Shouldn't "Time Stood Still" be in Other apperances? It appears on the Next Best Thing OST, which isn't a "Madonna album".-- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 22:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Any sources you got? --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 04:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
 * -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 09:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Lucky Star & Borderline
Someone has moved them round on this page, the Madonna Singles Template and the singles themselves and is very innacurate. "Lucky Star" was first released in the UK in September 1983 (but didn't chart until March 1984), where as "Borderline" didn't get released anywhere until February 15, 1984. So the conclusion is "Lucky Star" was indeed released before "Borderline". Also if you check out the chronological tracklisting of The Immaculate Collection it is the same case. Here is also a link detailing "1983 Chart entry: October, "Lucky Star" reaches number 4 (US Charts)" then, "1984 Chart entry: March, "Lucky Star" reaches number 14 (UK charts)" and "1984 Chart entry: March, "Borderline" reaches number 10 (US Charts)". Can this please be changed on all the pages as its innaccurate. Many thanks  J W A D  Communicate|Nicely 21:39, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Telegraph is a very reliable source. This should be done immediately here, in teh template and in "Holiday" as well as the articles themselves. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 04:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

European positions?
You should also show the peak positions on the European Singles Charts. Anyone knows where to find them?
 * charts shown in the tables is limited to 10, so you cannot show every european country. and 6 out of 10 are already european. Mister sparky (talk) 20:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

"Into the Groove" information false and misleading
Legolas, I don't want to edit war with you, but you are the one mistaken. "Into the Groove" when it was played heavily on the airwaves, and considered a "single" was not on "Like a Virgin" in its primary marken... oh, and guess what, it's still not. It is totally misleading and false to claim that it is/was on "Like a Virgin" simply because some releases in Europe included the track. The actual situation should at LEAST be put in a footnote, though I believe it is more appropriate to exclude the album from the main article, and put a footnote about it being included in European releases. Also, I believe your user information qualifies as a conflict of interest. I will put the footnote back and ask that you not revert it again without additional user input. Njsustain (talk) 13:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No I'm not, and cut the COI BS. ITG was released as a 12" B-side, but seeing the song's popularity, Sire included it in both the album versions across Atlantic. It was indeed a single from LAV, and appears on their re-issue. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 13:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, Madonna-boy, you win, though you are wrong. You were an infant when the song came out, but thanks for the lecture on how it played out... the song is still not on the "re-issues" and was never on an album until "You can Dance"... and the original version was NEVER available on an album in the U.S. to my knowledge. It was not available on "LAV" and you are trying to cover up the fact for whatever utterly non-encyclopedic reasons you have. This isn't a fan site, it's supposed to be an encyclopedic article. My accuasations of COI are obviously valid, not "BS." Everyone should be able to see that you are only interested in the truth as you see it, not what is accurate. It's people like you who have ruined WP's credibility. Have fun with your little fan site, boy-toy. Njsustain (talk) 13:56, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This time I'm reverting you again for vandalism, for going against sources, for trying to insert fancruft. Next time you revert back, an ANI will be in the heralding. There are multiple sources listing ITG on the LAV album, and if you cant see it, then you might just leave it. And don't even try to comment on my contributions, as that is not a reasonable argument you know it. And I would also like to point you to WP:NPA, calling others names etc. You are experienced enough to know these things I hope and I don't need to place warning templates. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 14:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, incase you forgot, WP goes on the policy of verifiability, not truth. So here's to refresh you, Allmusic, Billboard, Taraborrelli, Rooksby, Morton etc to name a few who lists it on the album. Heck there are sources also pointing that the success of ITG prompted Sire to include the song on LAV. So I really dont care wherever you are from, or how old you are, if you dont go by sources, you cant make a change like that. I would appreciate you revert your erroneous edit, else I will rollback it for vandalism. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 14:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Verify this
"Into the Groove" is STILL not available on the American "Like a Virgin" album. It never was. There is no evidence of vandalism. Telling people who are correct that they are "clearly mistaken" was vandalism, by your definition, so please revert yourself, should you so choose. (And, yes, I saw your sources... internet download versions of albums that you can put a convenient link to, and the actual CDs that you can buy and versions that existed at the time the song was a "single" are entirely different things. Your "verifiable sources" are specious. Again, thanks for the lecture though. http://www.amazon.com/Like-A-Virgin-Reissue/dp/B00122HUN0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1290953767&sr=8-3 Njsustain (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I just can't. If you start citing Amazon now, I can also start citing Wordpress, Discogs to show that ITG was included. These are not acceptable reliable sources, and neither will ever be reverred for fact checking. Amazon is only used to show the existence of a product, not for verification. Try better. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 14:22, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, give me a verifiable source that in 1984 when the song was a single, that "Into the Groove" was on on LAV. I have access to a primary source. You can find it at record stores. Oh, you can't find a convenient link to point to? Sorry, just because you can't check a source while sitting at your computer doesn't make it a bad source. I'd take a picture of the tracks if I thought it was worth the effort. Try again. Then go back to concealing facts by hiding behind rules you are misinterpretting.Njsustain (talk) 14:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * FOA, ITG was a single in 1985, not 1984. Second of all, when it was released, it was meant to be in the soundtrack of DSS, but the song's popularity made Warner Bros add the song to the reissued versions. ITG was never added in the DSS soundtrack. And I have already pointed out reliable sources. And please don't namecall me as "concealing facts by hiding behind rules you are misinterpretting", thats just pure BS. If you can't discuss keeping WP:NPA and WP:RS in mind, then don't, your contributions are not necessary. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 14:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I rest my case: I've asked for you to verify that it was on LAV, and you claim you don't have to. P.S., there was no soundtrack album to DSS. If you are referring to the actual soundtrack on the actual movie, well, it is there. If you are referring to a DSS "album" you are talking about entirely fictional history. ITG was not put onto reissues of LAV, certainly not in the US, and certainly not in the decade after its original release. Perhaps in the far future (decades) of the original popularity of the song it was put on some minor reissue or electronic internet version, but that is hardly what the record companies were considering. At the time of the song's popularity, the record companies simply never chose to release ITG as a purchasable single nor on an album, only on the back of the "Angel" 12". Why you refuse to allow this in "your" article is beyond me. Your comments are not only not verifiable, but are not true, which defeats the pupose of WP and all of the rules you feel you are so fluent in. P.P.S. WP: Ignore All Rules. Have a nice day. Njsustain (talk) 14:45, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are beyond impossible! I am talking about the soundtrack of DSS only you blind. Sorry, I have explicitly stated sources that add the track to the tracklist. Take your BS to somewhere else. Enough is enough. ITG was not only released with Angel. There are sources proving this, if you cant accept this, then please leave. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 14:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh and incase you try to play WP:BLIND, here are more and more reputed sources. Orlando Sentinel, Miami Herald, |DN&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB297CB48D7F680&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM Philadelphia Daily News, Philadelphia Inquirer, says that ITG will be included in a reissue and gives tracklist, Chicago Tribune etc. LOL. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 15:08, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL indeed! None of those links verified that 1985 releases included ITG (probably because they did not), as much as information about the Verve and Lucky Star was fun to read. Even when the CD for years afterward did not have it. The info here, on the ITG article page, and the LAV page all include your false, and therefore unverifiable, fictional history about the non-existent 1985 rerelease. It's fun watching people have hysterical fits though. The best part was when you called my truthful statements "fancruft"... ROFLMAO. I hope readers enjoy your revisionist history. Njsustain (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Enough. I am reverting this malicious edit of yours. If you cannot see facts and reliable sources, as I requested you, WP is not a place for you I believe. Fancrufts are not endorsed here and never will be. And since you are not willing to contribute to discussions logically also, I'm afraid, I point waste my time further with you. If you revert again, I will personally raise an ANI against you. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 15:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I found this some time ago: . So at least France and Spain had "ITG" on the album. Alecsdaniel (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I never denied it. Nevertheless, it is misleading to imply that when "Into the Groove" was a popular single that it was widely available on LAV. It simply wasn't. Why this fact is being concealed is beyond me. But as threats carry more weight on WP than facts, the article will continue to show the misleading information. Njsustain (talk) 01:08, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

"Live to Tell" was also not on True Blue when it was released as a single and popular on charts. It was a soundtrack for At Close Range, and being added to the True Blue album several months later. I found this quotation by Madonna "That's why I've done outside songs as well as SIX of my own. I wanted every song to be strong." If you check the tracklisting of Like a Virgin, there are six song that Madonna wrote, (1)Angel, (2) Over and Over (3)Shoo-Bee-Doo, (4)Pretender, (5)Stay, and yes... (6)Into the Groove! So, even Madonna herself considered "Into the Groove" as part of LAV. Then, "None of those links verified that 1985 releases included ITG (probably because they did not)", well this is it Re-issue with additional track, Sire WX 20 CD925181, 2 August 1985. Bluesatellite (talk) 13:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * "Live to Tell" was on the original release of "True Blue" in the United States, the first day it was in record stores. The reissues of LAV in the US (at least in the 1980s, when ITG may have been considered a "single") did not include Into the groove. Whatever Madonna herself considers part of what album, it was not on the album back then. Perhaps in some obscure versions in limited international releases, but 99+% of the LAV albums released in the 80s, and certainly all the ones for U.S. release, did not include Into the Groove. I don't know what that Sire CD number is referring to, but it wasn't available in the US... maybe to radio stations or something. Believe me, if the original version of ITG had been available on any American CD in the 80s, or an available import, I (and many other people) would have purchased it. Why do you think "Angel" became the #1 12" single of all time? Because of the pleasant but mostly forgettable song "Angel" or its forgettable remix? No, because it was THE only way for the general public to get a copy of "Into the Groove" for years. Njsustain (talk) 22:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, "Into the Groove" is not available in North American edition of Like a Virgin, but please note that ITG was never released as a single in US and Canada. It did not chart on Billboard or RPM. Both "Into the Groove" and the 1985 re-issue Like a Virgin were released outside North America. Both were released almost at the same time, ITG on July 27, 1985 and LAV re-issue on August 2, 1985. So, the conclusion: ITG was released as a single off LAV re-issue. Please use worldwide-view, this is not American encylopedia. Bluesatellite (talk) 23:04, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * And please do not ask the credibility and reliability of Rikky Rooksby's book. That is the catalogue number of 1985-reissue of LAV outside U.S. and Canada.

Bluesatellite (talk) 23:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * No need to accuse people of having an American-centric view. This was an album by an American artist intended primarily for an American market, so asuch accusations are irrelevent and unneccessary. Yes, there were eventually a handful of releases in non-English speaking countries (this is English WP, by the way), but that does not mean it is appropriate to list LAV as the album that ITG was on. It is misleading to suggest that ITG was on LAV when it was released as a single. I simply wanted to note that it was not available on this album in the primary market when the song was "a single." I think it's more appropriate to say that it simply was not on an album at the time of its release, and make a note that in a few specialty releases it was available on LAV, but I'm willing to comporomise. Is anyone else? Njsustain (talk) 23:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

No, "Into the Groove" was on Like a Virgin when it was released as a single. The fact, ITG was not a single in United States. ITG was only released as a single outside North America and also available on LAV re-issue in countries outside North America. Bluesatellite (talk) 23:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

And what do you mean of "primary market" and "non-English speaking countries"? Like a Virgin was reissued on 2 August 1985 outside North America (including primary market such as Japan, Australia, UK, Germany, France), with "Into the Groove" as additional track. ITG was released as a single in those countries, as LAV's 4th single Bluesatellite (talk) 01:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I still don't see why people wish to avoid a simple note about ITG not being on the majority of LAV albums released. It's misleading and non-encyclopedic. Please avoid "fancruft" and the use of an anti-American view. Njsustain (talk) 08:44, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not an anti-American. That's simply a fact that ITG was an official and commercial single off 1985-reissue of LAV, worldwide (excluding U.S. and Canada, where both ITG and 1985 reissue were never published). US and Canada are not more major than the rest of the world :) Bluesatellite (talk) 09:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It is anti-American to consider the North American market to be insignificant or not important enough for such a fact to be mentioned, especially for an American artist's album being released on an American label. Why is there such an objection to a footnote saying "In [the tiny and unimportant market of] North America, LAV did not include ITG." A worldwide view does not mean "everything in the world, excluding America"? Njsustain (talk) 11:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with indicating that ItG is a single released from the LaV album. Madonna is an American artist but I think that there is quite enough evidence (in fact, more than enough reliable sources) shown here to prove that the song was tacked onto the album in a bunch of large, notable music markets during the 80s.  Both the LaV and the ItG articles explain the inclusion (or exclusion) of the song on LaV, and I hardly think that this is going to cause mass confusion with casual readers if ItG is shown in the discography to be a part of the LaV album. - eo (talk) 12:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nor would it cause mass confusion to note this significant exception--especially when it is essentially the rule, and "ITG" being on "LAV" was actually the exception in most cases. Njsustain (talk) 13:31, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Not most cases dear, only initially. Its the success of ITG that made it to be included in LAV. And yes, no need of notes. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 15:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * This whole "Into The Groove" argument is truly bizarre. The fact is that this article, the "Like A Virgin" album article and the "Into The Groove" single article are all incorrect, because all three claim that "Into The Groove" was a proper single *from* "Like A Virgin".  As has been pointed out, this certainly wasn't the case in North America, nor was it the case in Australia or New Zealand ("Like A Virgin" was never re-issued in Australasia with "Into The Groove").  The only evidence is that the album was re-issued in the UK (and possibly Europe, but I haven't seen evidence of this myself) *after* "Into The Groove" was a #1 hit.  In reality, "Into The Groove" is a non-album single, which was added to a re-issue of "Like A Virgin" in *certain* territories as an 80s equivalent of a bonus track.  It is as much a part of "Like A Virgin" as "American Pie" is of "Music".  If "Into The Groove" is considered an official single from "Like A Virgin", then "American Pie" should be an official single from "Music", and "Die Another Day" should be listed as an official single from "American Life".124.186.119.248 (talk) 16:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Hung Up
"Hung Up" is certified 3x Gold (450.000 copies) in Germany! It's official! Platinum stands for 300.000 copies.--Drowned World (talk) 18:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done Yes, thank you for pointing. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

"Hey You" promotional single?
I think "Hey You" is more like a promotional single. It was not a major release, and didn't have physical CD. I've just also found that actually "Miles Away" is Madonna's lowest-charting UK hit since "Borderline". If "Hey You" was really a 'single', it must be noted as the lowest one since it just peaked at No 187. What do you think? Bluesatellite (talk) 14:46, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

"Masterpiece" as a single
"Masterpiece" is the current UK single from MDNA. Please put it back on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.214.62 (talk) 15:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Here are the chart listings for Masterpiece, for addition to this:

Australia
Girls Gone Wild debuted at No. 93

Done Please provide the actual change you want to make to the table when making these requests. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 17:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Spanish
I've heard at least two songs in Spanish by Madonna that were singles in Spanish Speaking Countries. Does someone know anything about this?--86.176.36.25 (talk) 22:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Just that Madonna sings in Spanish. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Turn Up The Radio UK chart position.
OK, I know that you guys are all huge fans but even if the singles chart position of TUTR is terrible, you have to admit it and let it on the page. Stop deleting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.54.18.141 (talk) 21:08, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Madonna singles discography
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Madonna singles discography's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "rianzcerti":<ul> <li>From Circus (song): </li> <li>From Womanizer (song): </li> <li>From Piece of Me: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)