Talk:Madonna singles discography/Archive 2

Orphaned references in Madonna singles discography
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Madonna singles discography's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "dutchyear": From Like a Prayer (song):  From Express Yourself (Madonna song):  

Reference named "spain": From Frozen (Madonna song):  From American Pie (song):  From Celebration (Madonna song):  From Get Together (Madonna song):  From Me Against the Music: </li> <li>From Die Another Day (song): </li> <li>From Dear Jessie: </li> <li>From Nothing Fails: </li> <li>From Cherish (Madonna song): </li> <li>From Love Profusion: </li> <li>From MDNA (album): </li> <li>From Express Yourself (Madonna song): </li> <li>From American Life (song): </li> <li>From True Blue (Madonna song): </li> <li>From Who's That Girl (soundtrack): </li> <li>From Material Girl: </li> <li>From Ray of Light: </li> </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Me Against the Music
Hi! Madonna is featured on Britney's Me Against the Music single. This should be added! Szaboci (talk) 08:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This has been added now. Thanks. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 10:04, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

MTV source for UK sales figures
Can any one of these figures be confirmed by sources from either the BPI or OCC? The MTV UK source for sales figures seems to raise more issues than it resolves: why is it that "Holiday" sold almost 800,000 copies and received just a Gold certification (800,000 is well in excess of Platinum in the UK), why is "Material Girl" cited to have sold over 400,000 copies, when it's certification cites 200,000 copies sold. And I seriously doubt a song like Gambler is her 21st best-selling single ever - over the likes of Live to Tell, Open Your Heart, Express Yourself, Cherish, Justify My Love, Ray of Light, etc. Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:39, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * They are inline with Music Week and OCC also, just they are more updated. And you must not be aware, songs like "Holiday", "Gambler", "Material Girl" etc were released before 1989, when BPI gold = 500,000 and platinum = 1,000,000. Now do the math for the certifications. As for the doubt over the best-selling thing, surely you, as an editor of music articles and Madonna articles, must know that singles sales dwindled rapidly in UK post Reagan eras and during 90s was the worst of it. Coupled with the fact that "Gambler" was a pretty sizable hit in UK, soagin there the math says. — Indian: BIO   · [ ChitChat  ] 04:30, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Intro
"As of August 2005, Madonna had sold over in excess off 75 million singles worldwide, and by February 2008, she had increased the total to more than 115 million."

What kind of joke is this? There's NO way she sold 40 million singles in less than three years. As of today, she hasn't sold over 115 million singles either. These numbers are absolutely inflated. ·  Mcdonalds  ( talk ·  cont ), at 10:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I just checked it, the references are well-sourced with reliable third part outlets, Wikipedia does not report the truth, but verifiable information available as it goes. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 10:52, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Bubbling Under
Just curious -- why are Madonna's "Bubbling Under" chart appearances confined to awkward, hard to navigate footnotes? Hitting number 5 on the Bubbling Under charts is equivalent to hitting 105 on Billboard, and it would certainly make this site more navigable to reflect that in the body of the discography. Joel Whitburn's officially licensed Billboard chart books treat "Bubbling Under" appearances as being indicative of chart positions #101-135 as a matter of course....so why not here? 70.30.84.214 (talk) 02:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You answered your own question. The Billboard Hot 100 only counts songs from 1 to 100, from 101 to 125 is the Bubbling Under. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:46, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Er, no I didn't. Billboard itself sanctions the Bubbling Under positions as #101 to #135 (depending on how many Bubbling Under entries appear that week.)  So why does this discography force the user to go through contortions to find out where certain singles actually placed on the US charts?


 * In other words, instead of making it look like a song didn't chart at all (until you scroll way down to the footnote), why not simply indicate a song charted at #105, and still keep the footnote explaining the logic of the "Bubbling Under" chart? 70.30.84.214 (talk) 04:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the chart is listing the singles that appeared at Billboard Hot 100, not Billboard Hot 125 (or 135). Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  04:16, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, but WHY? There's no need to only list the Hot 100, when Billboard itself compiles lists of the top 125. 70.30.84.214 (talk) 04:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week, and there have been no replies to this. So it seems that nobody has any logical arguments as to why this illogical policy is in place -- so I guess it's time to change the material in the article itself... 70.29.14.129 (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Or maybe I went a week on vacations. The "logical argument" I already gave it, but seems like you don't get it or don't want to get it. The current chart is about the BH100 ONLY. The BH125 is there just for information, but the name and the correct chart is only the Billboard Hot 100. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  20:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope, you did NOT make a logical argument....until you linked to the WP policy. I asked WHY the policy was in place, and your answers contained no helpful info whatsoever -- until you posted that link.  Now that I see this is WP policy (and not just something arbitrarily dreamed up by the guardians of this page), I can go to the WP policy page and make further inquiries there. 70.29.14.129 (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I think this issue depends largely on who has taken it upon themselves to "police" a particular artist's pages. For example, on this page, it would seem that it is completely unacceptable to list anything beyond #100 on the Billboard charts, whereas for other artist's, it's fine.  I was just visiting Aretha Franklin's discography page and was interested to note US positions beyond 100.  In my opinion, whoever oversees the page has handled this beautifully, by including the following under the chart grid:

Note - US chart positions below #100 were compiled from Billboard magazine's Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles and Bubbling Under R&B/Hip-Hop Singles charts.

Is there any reason why this wouldn't work for Madonna's discography? I await replies with interest.121.223.80.144 (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

'Other Charted Songs'
Most other artists have a 'other charted songs' section on their Wiki pages (Beyonce, Michael Jackson etc.). Madonna has a number of non-single's that have charted in certain countries due to strong Digital download. MDNA had the Non Single "Gang Bang" chart in France due to strong download at 93 http://lescharts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=Madonna&titel=Gang+Bang&cat=s & US hot Dance/ Electronic songs at 30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Bang_(song)#cite_note-bb-4

Furthermore, With Madonna's new album Rebel Heart being release in 'sections' non singles are more likely to chart in countries. "Unapologetic Bitch", "Bitch I'm Madonna" "Ghosttown" & "Illuminati" have all charted in France and other counties http://www.chartsinfrance.net/Madonna/Unapologetic-Bitch-sc34898.html


 * These are her other charted songs. I'm not really good at tables, so, if somebody wants to do it:

Alecsdaniel (talk) 06:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * 1986: "Over and Over" - Italy (49)
 * 2008: "Beat Goes One" - Canada (82), Finland (15), US Pop (not Hot) 100 - 97
 * 2010: "It's so Cool" - Finland (8), Italy (20), Sweden (30), UK (107)
 * 2012: "Gang Bang" - France (93),, South Korea (90), US Dance/Electronic Dance Songs (30)
 * "I Don't Give A" - South Korea (117)
 * "I'm a Sinner" - South Korea (175)
 * "Superstar" - South Korea (141)
 * 2014/2015: "Devil Pray" - France (62), Spania (50), Switzerland (59)
 * "Ghosttown" - France (70), Spain (41), Switzerland (39)
 * "Unapologeti Bitch" - France (91)
 * "Illuminati" - France (92)
 * "Bitch, I'm Madonna" - France (90), Spain (49)

Girl Gone Wild
Could an ARIA (Australian) #93 peak for this single be added please.

Source: http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/23790/20120416-0000/Issue1154.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.130.168 (talk) 15:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2015
There is an incorrect entry in terms of the highest chart position in the UK singles chart for Human Nature by Madonne.

The single debuted at number 8 which was its highest chart position. This is official chart data as used by the BBC and Radio One at the time. It currently incorrectly states that it had a peak position of number 5.

Thank you

86.46.172.121 (talk) 14:06, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for pointing this out. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 17:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Promotional Singles + Other Songs: Chart Peaks!
Now, I've noticed that almost every musician has a table for charting peaks for promotional singles and other songs, minus Madonna. I took the songs listed and added their peaks below. I wanted to hear what others had to say about adding this to the page. I think this would be a beneficial addition to the article!
 * I guess I didn't realize that someone already suggested this. Still, I'm looking for thoughts and comments. Thanks again, Carbrera (talk) 05:23, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I definitely support the chart peak additions. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 09:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - but is there a way we could differentiate the remixes? Homeostasis07 (talk) 22:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Would notes work better? Carbrera (talk) 00:03, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think that's necessary. We could just disambiguate to the actual remixes that charted. I've disambiguated two of them (the Peter Rauhofer remixes) below, so maybe we could work out the other three – "Buenos Aires" (Remix); "Sky Fits Heaven" (Remix); "Nothing Fails" (Remix) [for the latter, I suspect the Mount Sims Old School Mix from the Remixed & Revisited EP, but I can't find a source to corroborate] – before committing this to the main page? Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:52, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, what you're doing looks really good. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If possible, is this ready to go into effect yet? Carbrera (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Sorry for the delay. I meant to have this done by now, but I've really not been online much these past 10 days. You can add this to the main page now, and hopefully sometime before Christmas, I'll scan through the Billboard archives and try to find which of the remixes charted. Homeostasis07 (talk) 02:09, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Great. I'm just gonna leave this here for now. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 05:08, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

certification
get together and sorry are gold in italy [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.108.233 (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That link is no where a reliable content for certification unless it comes from FIMI. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 15:33, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

there is no official web to fimi till 2009 that certificate the songs

Infobox capture
Quoting: Madonna performing "Music", her most recent number-one song on the Billboard Hot 100, at the Rebel Heart Tour (2015–16).

The work charted 16 years ago. Rephrasing to "last (to date)" than "most recent" would definitely be more accurate. MiewEN (talk) 12:35, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for catching it, you are right. — I B  [ Poke  ] 13:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)