Talk:Madras Presidency

Sections
* Origins ✅ Completed * Army ✅ Completed * Land ✅ Completed * Agriculture and Irrigation - More research for the period 1911-1950 is required in order to verify if any points have been left out.✅ Completed - Ravichandar My coffee shop 12:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * History ✅ Largely completed. Proper alignment of Periyar/Theagaroya Chetty image needs to be done
 * Demographics - Districtwise population statistics for the period 1911-1941 needs to be filled. Description part complete
 * Languages - Language statistics required for 1947/50 period when the Presidency was dissolved.
 * Religion - Needs to be expanded. Legislations on religious affairs for pre-1921 period need to be mentioned. Refs to be added.
 * Administration - Review required.
 * Trade and Industry - A paragraph on banking in the Presidency needs to be added.
 * Transport and Communication:
 * Land Transport: Number of buses, bus depots, etc in 1947-50 need to be mentioned.
 * Roads: Stats on kilometres of roadways in 1947 need to be filled. Important roads in the Presidency to be mentioned
 * Railways: 1947/50 stats required
 * Tramways: ✅ Completed
 * Seaways: Need to be created
 * Air transport: To be created
 * Postal Service: Needs to be expanded.
 * Telegraphs and Telephones: Points on telegraphs are to be added. 1947/50 stats for telephones needed.
 * Education: ✅ Completed

Proposed new sections
I propose that the following new sections be added at the end of the article:

* Cities Section omitted due to size constraints and lack of importance - Ravichandar My coffee shop 12:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Culture and society:
 * Social life: traditional S. Indian life - issues and social reforms - marumakkathayam - sports and pastimes - recreation clubs and sabhas - carnatic music - bharatanatyam - cinema
 * Newspapers, periodicals and their circulation - radio services

Regarding this statement: "In 1858, under the terms of the Queen's Proclamation issued by Queen Victoria, the Madras Presidency, along with the rest of British India, came under the direct rule of the British crown.[28]" I looked up page 221 of that edition of that particular book cited, and page 221 begins the first page of a new chapter about the Crimean War. The only date listed on that page is "October 1853". Perhaps the author of that statement could cite the correct page. Adrienne (talk) 12:06, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Raj sources
This article uses far too many sources from the Raj period. They are generally unreliable (for example, for history) and in many cases they amount to primary sources because of their close ties to the Raj administration even when they were not official documents. Authors such as Edgar Thurston have been rejected time and again across a swathe of India-related articles and in some cases this has been confirmed at WP:RSN. For things such as the relative peace in the area in 1857, there really should be no need to use something published in 1859 and which, inevitably, was poor quality. Surely to goodness there has been something said of this in the last couple of decades or so? (I'll look for that one tomorrow). - Sitush (talk) 02:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Although the citation does not say so (quite a few of the citations seem to be poorly formed), the 1859 source for the 1857 rebellion was written by George Dodd. It can be seen here and is supposed to be verification for "The rebellion of Velu Thambi and Paliath Achan and the Poligar Wars were other notable insurrections against the British rule, but the Madras Presidency remained relatively undisturbed by the Sepoy Mutiny." It actually only verifies "the Madras Presidency remained relatively undisturbed by the Sepoy Mutiny", so a bit of work is required. Modern sources such as this would be better, if we can find some that verify the entire thing. Another poor source is Read, Anthony (1997). The Proudest Day – India's Long Ride to Independence. London: Jonathan Cape. ISBN 0-393-31898-2. Again, the citation is wrong because Read was co-author with David Fisher. Worse, though, is that it is basically a work of popular history: Anthony Read is not an academic historian as such (screenwriter turned popular historian turned novelist) and his speciality has been World War II; Fisher is also primarily a screenwriter and his interests in history have been mainly in the sphere of ghostwriting sports biographies etc. It really does not seem good enough. - Sitush (talk) 15:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I will work on correcting these - will do over the weekend.Ssriram mt (talk) 01:03, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have fixed all the citation parameters and removed some unreliable refs. I will gradually replace Raj sources with latest sources this week.Ssriram mt (talk) 02:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it didn't happen, did it? I'm afraid this article will need to be massively stripped down and thus will almost certainly not meet GA criteria. - Sitush (talk) 13:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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Was Presidency of Fort St. George a seperate colony from 1652 to 1857?
This confuses me a lot. Were the 3 presidencies of British India three seperate colonies within the British Empire from 1600s to 1857? Or were they a single colony? PadFoot2008 (talk) 16:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * There is a difference in the administration of these presidencies due to the company rule until 1858 and British Empire after that. It would be appropriate to decode the timeline and possibly make way for splitting some of the content into separate articles to avoid ambiguity. 456legend  talk  14:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Aaron Baker
The article on Aaron Baker has him as 1st president of Madras, but he's not mentioned here. What's right? 5.83.11.38 (talk) 00:52, 15 January 2023 (UTC)