Talk:Mae Jemison/Archive 1

Point of View Problems?
97.89.122.9 has put a tag on the article for POV and left the message that "Point of View problems. Biased towards the accomplishments of the person, but does not explain the reasons for dismissal from NASA Astronaut Corps."

I do not agree that there are POV problems.

The article contains both positive and negative information about Jemison. For example, the article talks about the failure of Jemison to be re-elected to the board of directors of Gen-Probe Inc. at the company's May 31,2007 annual stockholders meeting because she had missed several meetings.

The statement that the article "does not explain the reasons for dismissal from NASA Astronaut Corps" is factually incorrect. As the article notes, Jemison resigned from the Astronaut Corps on her own to pursue other interests including the formation of her own company, the Jemison Group, and the Dorothy Jemison Foundation for Excellence, formed to promote excellence in science education and named in honor of her mother. The article further states that Jemison NASA wanted Jemison to stay on. To quote from the article:

Although Jemison's departure from NASA was amicable, NASA was not thrilled to see her leave.[4] "NASA had spent a lot of money training her; she also filled a niche, obviously, being a woman of color," says Homer Hickam, a training manager for NASA’s space station efforts, and the author or Rocket Boys from which the movie October Sky was made.

Both these statements have citations.

I am removing the POV tag. If 97.89.122.9 thinks that there is something that the article is "covering up" about Jemison, then please add the information to the article with citations.

Best Regards,

Reservoirhill (talk) 14:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Quotations
None of the quotations appearing in the article have references. They appear to be autobiographical and written in the third person specifically for the article itself. Name: spacefactchecker  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spacefactchecker (talk • contribs) 02:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at the article and point out to us which quotations in the article do not contain references. It appears that your assertion that  "None of the quotations appearing in the article have references" is factually incorrect, and that, in fact, the exact opposite is true and all of the direct quotations in the article have references.  Please show us which quotation(s) you are referring to so that we can correct the problem, if it exists.
 * Best Regards,
 * Reservoirhill (talk) 14:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems; broken link
Hi. Thanks for writing an interesting article! I'm reducing the number of quotes from some sources to avoid copyright problems.

This link: ("Gen-Probe" etc.) seems to be a broken link, and the bibliographic information is incomplete: only a title and date, no publisher or anything, so it isn't really an adequate bibliographic reference. I didn't find any copy of the article in Wayback. ☺ Coppertwig(talk) 23:06, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

An Archival Copy of the Story is Available as Well as Alternative Stories

 * An archival copy of the story is available on Peace Corps Online at: Yahoo Finance. "Gen-Probe Declines Director Resignation" July 20, 2007.


 * Another article that address Jemison's failure to be re-elected to the Board of Directors and the company's decision to reject her resignation is at: Microsoft Dynamics.  "The Majority Doesn't Rule"  July 20, 2007.  This could be used as an alternative reference.


 * Another alternate reference is at: Compliance Week. "Resolved: A Question of Board Resignation" by Stephen Taub.  August 14, 2007.


 * The official SEC Filing (8-K) is available at: Compliance Week.  Form 8-K  Gen-Probe Inc. - GPRO  "Report of unscheduled material events or corporate change.  Filed July 19, 2007.


 * Glad you like the article on Mae Jemison.


 * Best regards,


 * Reservoirhill (talk) 22:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Recent African ancestry
What the heck is meant by 'woman of recent African ancestry'? Is this a reference to the fact that we all are descended from Africans ultimately?

We're not going to insert these absurd qualifications everywhere, so I object strenuously to this one. Do I get to say I have "distant Spanish ancestry" because my paternal line sheltered in the Pyrenees during the Ice Age, or "distant Middle Eastern ancestry" because my ancestors must have exited Africa by crossing the Red Sea? We don't say this in usual speech and so qualifications like "recent African ancestry" should not be necessary. --Saforrest (talk) 19:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The "recent African ancestry" bit is a pathetic attempt by some white racialist, to either (1. obfusicate her ancestry to hoodwink some lesser intelligent readers into thinking that the woman is not black or African-American or (2. give whites or some other ethnic group credit for her being successful. They think her looks provide them with the opportunity to play their amateurish scientifically debunked race fantasies. Its quite sad how low self-esteem drives some whites to engage in such thought processes and behaviour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.179.11.247 (talk) 14:36, 26 December 2009


 * I also think that 'recent African ancestry' is very ambiguous and controversial. How recent is recent? 200 years? 50? If she has other ancestry in her genes shouldn't we refer to them too. I think its better to just have it say first African American woman in space as she's generally referred to in other places. Gomez3000adams (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC).

Edit request
in the sentence "Jemsion sometimes appears at charity events. In 2007, Jemison walked the runway" Jemison is misspelled. i can't change it, but can one of you? you'll see it right above the "Honors and Awards" section. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Julius4567 (talk • contribs) 02:42, 21 February 2010

Done Welcome and thanks for pointing that out. Celestra (talk) 15:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
I seem to have found another problem. this time, i don't know if it is an actual problem, but it doesn't sound right to me. in the sentence "The four-week residential program helps students build critical thinking skills and learn to solve solving problems through an experiential curriculum". the word "solving" sounds like it needs to be removed. again, i can't do it myself, but i'm sure one of you can! thanks! Julius4567 (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Done Thanks again. I reorganized it a little further to present both skills the same way. If you'd like a different wording, just ask. By the way, please don't put the template into the section heading. It confuses the framework and makes it harder to service the request. Regards, Celestra (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

mae jemison
Jemison is a female engineer whose accomplishments in science need to be the center of attention on her wikipedia page. Women are underrepresented in STEM (science, technology, engineering, mechanical) fields, and Jemison’s work is an inspiration to all women and men alike. However, her page could use some tweaking to make it on par with other astronaut's pages. For example, While researching other male astronauts, I noticed that their pages were filled with photos of them while at work and headshots. There are just four photos of Mae Jemison on her wiki page. There are plenty of photos of Mae Jemison working in her field that would be a great addition to her wikipedia page. About.com features a great photo of Jemison under their Education: Space/Astronomy page. The picture features her working with another female scientist on experiments. [1] In the intro paragraph on Jemison’s page, is it really necessary to include that she was a dancer in the sentence, “ She is a dancer, and holds nine honorary doctorates in science, engineering, letters, and the humanities.”? In this sentence her greatest accomplishments in life are acknowledged, such as her honorary doctorates. However dancing seems like a random attribute of Jemison. Dancing, is a stereotypical female activity. And while it is important and interesting information about Jemison. The fact that women are not represented in STEM fields, makes her other accomplishments more important. Young women need role models in the STEM fields, and Jemison is a perfect example of woman that they could look up to. It would seem fitting that the fact that Jemison was a prominent engineer, scientist, astronaut, etc should be highlighted. And the fact that she was dancer should be assessed further down her wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.157.68.4 (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Makonick, 21 February 2011
Please change "But when I think of Martin Luther King Jr. I think of attitude, audacity, and bravery. to "But when I think of Martin Luther King Jr., I think of attitude, audacity, and bravery.

Makonick (talk) 23:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Partially done, as after finding the original quote, she didn't say "Jr." at all there, just Martin Luther King. Courcelles 23:49, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

DARPA 100 year project
I don't have time to update currently, but it looks like she was chosen for a major project by DARPA PopSci article BBC article a13ean (talk) 22:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Early Years revision
In the article under “Early Years” in the fourth paragraph, it states: ‘I did have to say, 'I'm going to do this and I don't give a damn'.’ She points out the unfairness of the necessity for women and minorities to have that attitude in some fields”. It would be more beneficial for people reading this to have more background in the racially offensive and sexist attitudes that existed for a young African American woman going to a prestigious college in the 1970s. There should probably be a reference to a scholarly article about the pressures she felt. This isn’t conveyed very thoroughly and someone breezing through this article who is misinformed about this time period will not understand the amount of scrutiny women faced during this time period. Brushing over a serious subject of racism and sexism in our history is irresponsible. We can not move forward if we forget to inform or brush it under the rug. It would also be helpful to include links to articles when Jemison “points out the unfairness of the necessity for women and minorities to have that attitude in some fields” to be expanded upon. There are plenty of research articles done by well-respected colleges and universities that show this sort of prejudice Jemison is addressing. None of that is included in the article. Including more truthful substance makes for a better article as people reading it can decide what to think. Please include more evidence especially in terms of inequality. Laughsinflowers (talk) 01:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Women and minorities in STEM
I found it very interesting that this article focused a lot about people in her life that either encouraged or discouraged her away from her pursuit of becoming an astronaut. Her mother encouraged her to become a scientist while she has professors discriminate against her because she is a black woman. This article also describes the challenges she had to overcome in order to be successful. I also found it interesting that in the “Other News” section it describe her interactions with the police because she arrested for making an illegal u-turn, something non-threatening. It reveals discrimination by the police but also shows the extreme actions taken against people of color. I found it interesting that this was included because it reveals the stereotype of black people being associated with crime. However, this article did a great job at displaying the discrimination against women, especially minority women, in the STEM field. Much of this article was spent discussing her triumph over those hurdles and about her being the first African-American woman in space, even though that wasn’t her primary purpose. She was simply determined and extremely passionate about space. It is interesting to me that for women and minorities in the STEM field much is written about the challenges they faced in order to achieve their goals. However, for white males, that is not discussed at all mostly because they don’t have the same challenges and because of the privilege they have because of being white and also male. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.0.15 (talk) 21:36, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Barriers/Obstacles
The article mentions some of the obstacles Mae Jemison had to face as an African American woman. However, it focuses on those obstacles mainly within her personal interactions with people. If the article is going to spend so much time on what she overcame, it should include any barriers in applying to programs, schools, jobs, etc based on her race or gender as well. Limiting the obstacles to teachers limits the extent of the barriers she faced. For example, in her NASA career section, it is mentioned that Mae Jemison was turned down for her first application to NASA. Is it possible that race or gender were a factor for this initial rejection? Although Sally Ride had broken down the barrier for women, that didn't mean that all women would be welcome in NASA; and although some African American men were working in NASA that didn't mean African American women were welcome. The fact that Mae Jemison was a woman and African American, may have worked against her in her application. Also I think it would be helpful and interesting to know what she found to be the hardest to combat, race or gender. Please let me know what you think? Liltessy27 (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * In writing any article here, we have to rely on reliable sources. If you're interested in writing about this, you can help out by tracking down reliable sources that discuss this.  Thanks, a13ean (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Obstacles
The article spends a lot of time mentioning obstacles that Jemison had to endure as an African American woman. However, it would be good to know more about her current life and not necessarily just about life for her as an African American woman but even things such as, what she does now and is she still dealing with many of the obstacles she went through back then now in her current field of work? Also it would be good to know about how such certain obstacles in her life helped her get to the point she is now and whether being African American or being a woman was the hardest obstacle to overcome in her life and with that how did she turn what many were trying to make negative into a positive so she could be successful. I feel like information like that could still be useful to women and people of color now. Amakaamy (talk) 03:10, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Please see my response directly above. a13ean (talk) 05:23, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

she was an doctor scientist and a astronaut — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:3:600:327:F55B:F9B9:6546:C2E7 (talk) 13:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Would somebody kindly fix this?
^ Jump up to: a b c d e "New York Times. " Woman in the News; A Determined Breaker of Boundaries - \\Xxx Xxxxx Xxxxxxx\\ by Warren E. Leary. September 13, 1992". New York Times. 1992-09-13. Retrieved 2011-09-14.

\\Mae C. Jemison\\

I cannot access 'reference' section to edit this unfortunate misnomering Cashthischeck (talk) 12:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
 * . Please check & confirm. - Ninney (talk) 15:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Cashthischeck (talk) 03:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Suggestions
While this article has many strengths, there is room for improvement in several areas. I agree with the changes other Wikipedians have proposed. First off, I think more images should be added of Mae Jemison working with others. In every picture she is depicted alone. This portrays her separately from others, not accounting for the teamwork she was involved in as an astronaut and scientist. I wonder if this has anything to do with her being a minority in a science orientated field? The article discusses the discrimination Jemison experienced in the classroom, so it is possible that she experienced it in the workplace, as well. In addition, I appreciate the Wikipedian, Liltessy27, comments. This user states how the article should include more of the barriers Jemison faced as a women of color in applying to schools programs and careers. As Liltessy27 mentioned, the article discuses more of Jemison’s personal struggles, and less of the struggles she faced in being a minority. Because women and people of color are underrepresented in the STEM field, it is important to talk about the struggles Jemison endured in this area, and how she overcame them. Jemison’s accomplishments are even more astounding when these struggles are factored in. Further, I was a little disappointed with how Jemison was portrayed in the “resignation” section. Even though I am sure the writer was trying to maintain a neutral point of view, it seems that Jemison is being blamed for her decision to leave NASA. A quote by Homer Hickam states that NASA had invested a significant amount of money in preparing Jemison and that, being a women of color, she filled a special place. This implies that Jemison should have stayed with NASA. In reality, she did not owe them anything. She could have done whatever she wanted. Also, it should not be Jemison’s duty to improve NASA’s diverse employees base. That is NASA’s job. This article has many strengths, but with these, and other changes it could be even better. Josiehoudini (talk) 04:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your review of this entry. I tweaked the resignation section a little bit and took out the part about NASA not being happy to see her go. An organization really isn't ever happy, sad or any other emotion. I left the Hickam quote. It's probably not essential, but I think it shows that people at NASA valued the diversity she brought to the agency. Readers should be able to discern that there is no blame to Jemison from Wikipedia for leaving NASA; we're just covering what was said at the time in published sources. Images are tough sometimes because of copyright restrictions. Generally, we either have to take pics ourselves or find other pics that have been released into the public domain. I wonder whether we can find public domain images of her time at NASA since that's a government agency and there is sometimes a public domain exemption from copyright for photos of people in their government roles. EricEnfermero  HOWDY! 09:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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African American/Black
The decision to use the terms 'African American' or 'black' can often be a controversial one, but in this case, to say that Mae Jemison "became the first African American woman to travel in space" is misleading. She is not just the first American woman of African decent, she is the first black woman of any nation to travel in space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600hertz (talk • contribs)
 * Which other African American women have been to space? Regardless, sources use both black and African-American to describe her. Since the term African American is linked in the lead sentence, I don't think there will be any confusion as to what it means.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 23:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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She is also part Chinese
Although her Black identity is emphasized, it must be mentioned that she is also part (above 10% genetically) Chinese. 86.180.152.25 (talk) 01:34, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no source given for that. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 17:30, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

over-protective center 2017
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Winston-Salem College honorary degree
I've done some preliminary research and have not been able to determine that there is a Winston-Salem College, even though NASA's webpage (the cited source in this article) does plainly state that — and this fact has been repeated elsewhere in many, many sources since that webpage's claim. There is a Winston-Salem State University, and Dr. Jemison delivered the 2004 Commencement Speech there. However, I note that this "Winston-Salem College" awarded the honorary degree is 1991... so I am hoping someone can shed some light on this. Could it possibly be Salem College, a women's college in Winston-Salem, North Carolina? --SidP (talk) 21:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2018
Adding on to the end of the career section adding a new paragraph. Jemison' time at NASA was spent doing launch support activities at the Kennedy space center in Florida. During her time in space she was the science mission specialist on STS-47 Spacelab-J. The STS-47 mission was a cooperation between Japan and the United States. The mission was eight days long and took 127 orbits to finish. Dr. Jemison was the co-researcher during bone-cell research. AntaveaG (talk) 03:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Honorary Degrees unnecessary in opening
Listing the honorary degrees in the opening is both redundant (they are all listed later in the article) and unconventional (it differs from how honorary degrees are handled in other pages, such as J.K. Rowling's page ).73.3.116.105 (talk) 17:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

smiling
Short video of Mae Jemison smiling at NASA. => Is it because she is a woman that it is said "she is smiling"... is it an important information in wikipedia point of view ? She is preparing for something, she is working, in her space suit… I will suggest Short video of Mae Jemison working at NASA as a better description.
 * Sensible suggestion. I changed it to say "Mae Jemison at NASA." HouseOfChange (talk) 19:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

prodject
so i'm doing a project on you in class can you give me some pointers.24.159.133.56 (talk) 15:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

da — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.235.204.41 (talk) 16:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)


 * A project about Mae Jemison sounds interesting. Find out how long it needs to be, when it needs to be finished, and then do the best you can. You can copy photos from the article into your project. I don't think Mae Jemison reads the talk page of her article, but that is my best advice. If you want to see a shorter, less complicated article about Mae Jemison, there is an article about her in the Simple English version of Wikipedia. HouseOfChange (talk) 18:28, 26 February 2019 (UTC)HouseOfChange (talk) 18:13, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Question about "from" categories
The Categories list Jemison as an "engineer from Illinois" and a "writer from Alabama." This seems inconsistent. Could somebody either explain this or else fix it? Thanks. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:53, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

GA push
There is a proposal for a space exploration theme on the main page to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Apollo 11. A lot of nice work has already been done on this article and I think it is well positioned or GA status. I am wondering if any longtime editors of this article would be interested in nominating this article for GA stats so that it could be featured as a DYK on July 21. I would be happy to provide support throughout the process. Please feel free to discuss here or over at WP: Women in Green. Knope7 (talk) 01:29, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be great to see Mae Jemison as a GA in time for July 21. I will nominate it for GA and welcome the participation of anyone interested in moving this forward. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:09, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That sounds great! Knope7 (talk) 03:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Speaking engagements
The below is a relevant edit that keeps getting removed. I have edited it to remove emotion/bias. There is nothing inaccurate about this post and it needs to stay so that others are aware.

“On May 18, 2019, Jemison delivered the commencement speech to Bryn Mawr College’s graduating class of 2019. In her speech, she used the word “unborn” to refer to an undeveloped fetus in a woman’s womb, which is a term often used by far right conservative Christians and those who are anti-choice.” VicWOODHULL (talk) 23:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this here. To move the discussion along, could you list some reliable sources that covered these comments? See WP:UNDUE. Larry Hockett (Talk) 23:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree, reliable sources would be needed to show any reason to include this material. Also, this is a WP:BLP issue. We don't include everything in an encyclopedia article. Receiving an honorary degree might be worth including but unless this speech garners a significant reaction, I don't think it should be singled out. Let's see what types of sources appear. I will also caution that while the intent appears to be to criticize her views, because this is a BLP we would need to balance the criticism with Jemison's perspective or response. Knope7 (talk) 23:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I think the article could benefit from more information about her post-NASA career.Jayjay Ugbe (talk) 18:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there something in particular you can point to about her post-NASA career that is notable and not mentioned? --- Coffee  and crumbs  20:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

As general practitioner
I believe Jemison worked as as a general practitioner before and after her time with the Peace Corps staff. I could be wrong though. --- Coffee  and crumbs  12:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * , Thx. I got rid of "before" and "after" . Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did not notice that. --- Coffee  and crumbs  14:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2021
Write that she is a excellent person. 2601:285:400:EB:C01A:C5AF:3053:B760 (talk) 02:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: MOS:OP-ED. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 02:59, 19 February 2021 (UTC)