Talk:Magdalena Hinterdobler/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 14:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: MyCatIsAChonk (talk · contribs) 18:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

, I'll do the rest once the above comments are addressed. Also, why no fair use picture of her in the infobox? MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 19:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking up the review! Brief answers before details: I didn't see personal life in the available sources, nor an available picture that could be used. We can add images freely after a subject has died, but for living people, they argue that one could take one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

2 Sources
The article is the work of many, who brought in many sources. You question three of those.
 * Online Musik Magazin - I found that site consistently detailed in reviewing, and they get the original images from Oper Frankfurt. It is used for one quote, for Eva, where we have many, so it could be moved to External links (dropping the quotation) if you think that's safer.
 * livemusicnow-muenchen.de - I added the organisation's full name, Yehudi Menuhin Live Music, a nonprofit organisation making young musicians play in places such as hospitals, of whom she was one. I found that source by searching for a reference for her birth place, and found it useful for more detail from her early life. I don't believe that any of that is contentious, - what do you you think?
 * classicalsource.com - I found that source by searching for an item acceptable to the DYK crew wanting something snappy. Sure enough, that line was chosen. It's one quotation of several for Grete, - if we drop that, we'd have to make a note on the talk page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * All good reasons- I think the review quotes are ok, and the only one naming personal details is Yehudi Menuhin Live Music, which looks good to me. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 23:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

1 Prose

 * "Tölzer Knabenchor": she noted - see interview - that the colleagues, coming from the famous choir, brought an attitude of team spirit to the class (as opposed to soloists in competition), - how could that be said better but still concise?
 * Alas, I can't read German so I can't extract the best meaning here... I'll trust this now, however it still reads somewhat oddly MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no)
 * I tried to say that she saw it like this, please check. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Gerold Huber - that is one of the names I think everybody knows (as The pianist for Christian Gerhaher) as one of the leading lied accompanists of our time, - but I'am probably wrong ;) - If we mention more at this early point, it would be something about his general notability, not only that she would later work with him. But what?
 * I still think it'll be helpful, and the "In recitals, she has.." sentence would no longer be needed MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no)
 * I tried what I understood. However, that leaves open at what time she performed with him which - to my surprise - was rather early. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * what academy? - The one just mentioned, but we could repeat the full name (Bayerische Theaterakademie August Everding), or at least say Academy. What do you prefer?
 * I failed to notice that that was the name of an academy- I saw "theatre" and assumed performance ensemble. Disregard this comment MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no)
 * "the scheming fairy Zemina", quote not attributed - yes, and I think I'd rather drop "the scheming fairy" than add to the 3 words that some critic from some paper used them to characterise the role, not even her portrayal of it.
 * I went ahead and cut it; having a description of the role would be odd since the other roles have no descriptions MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no)
 * It's just I knew all other roles, but not this one ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * "the Prenzlauer Berg bourgeois idyll with her colorful, sensual soprano as an erotic elemental force" ("M. H. füllt als erotische Urgewalt das Prenzlauer Berg-Spießeridyll mit ihrem farbenreichen, sinnlichen Sopran") - is the german translation needed? - It is not a translation, but the original, - it's the English which is a rather free translation (different word order), therefore I thought easy access without a click to the ref or a footnote would be helpful for those who read German.
 * Well, I highly doubt that those who primarily speak german use the english wikipedia- however, I see your point. For this, they can be cut, since it's not an essential part of the text and the translation gets the point across MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no)
 * Is there a particular reason that none of the reviewers are named in this article? - Jan Brachmann is named, but all others seem (to me) not notable enough. I regularly mention those with an article, and those I believe deserve one (like Brachmann).
 * Makes sense, no concerns then MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no)
 * "but hoped for more nuanced phrasing" explain in non music terms - Sigh. I didn't want to omit that to not censor criticism, but really wouldn't know how to say it differently. How would you say in English the weight you give to syllables and words when you speak? And to do more or less of that?
 * A wl does the job- I added it to the section MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:45%;">(still no)
 * "This will be a great role for her!" past tense - I understand the reviewer as saying that this may become one of her signature roles, stress on "great", after he heard her debut in it.
 * That should be clarified in the text, especially since it's a translation so you have flexibility with what vocabulary you use MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:45%;">(still no)
 * What do you think of cutting it altogether? It's one person's view, and we will know perhaps in 10 years if he was right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed- cut MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:45%;">(still no) 20:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * the missing tenor - blushing (that I failed to look up and enter his name, twice), and added - he's scheduled for the Met, so should get an article --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Replies above MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:45%;">(still no) 23:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, also for the edits. I worked on an actor practically all day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * All good now- excellent work! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:45%;">(still no) 20:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)