Talk:Magellanic Clouds

Magellanic Clouds
So the Irregular Galaxy page says that the Megallanic clouds are actually a variant of barred spiral galaxies. So this is now an internal Wikipedia inconsistency.

But I'm not an expert in this field, so I'll refrain from making corrections.--MikeGinny 16:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Mini-Magellanic Cloud
What about the Mini-Magellanic Cloud? --myselfalso 06:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

When they were first named after Magellan?
I could not find a definite date or the name of the person who was the first to name the objects after Magellan. So, for now I only listed two facts that demonstrate that this name was not used (at least in star atlases) until at least the late 18th century. If anyone can fill in some definite sourced information on this, please do so and then delete my two temporary references to Bayer and Flamsteed. Trapolator 21:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Extraterrestrial sky
it was the expedition of ferdinnd magelland first observed the clouds during the circumnuigation in 1519-1522

History is eurocentric
The history of the clouds discusses the clouds purely from a European perspective. The clouds were known to the Australian Indigenous people, who created mythology for them. Such mythology usually portrayed the clouds as related people, such as a man and wife, two sisters, etc.

The Inca also probably had mythology for these clouds.

References: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1437646.htm http://www.atnf.csiro.au/research/AboriginalAstronomy/literature/Haynes2000.pdf --B.d.mills 08:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Your comment is ridiculous. The first scholar mentioned in the 'history' section was a Middle Eastrern one, and unless you happen not to know, maybe you should check whether the Middle East is in Europe. If you have reliable evidence showing that Australian aboriginal tribes recognised the Magellanic Clouds, you can of course present it. If not, I just can't see what your point is. --212.50.147.101 (talk) 17:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Eh, Mr 212, go read WP:BITE! B.d.mills means only well! We thank you for your references, B.d.mills! ... said: Rursus ( m b o r k³ ) 08:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Classification of the Magellanic Clouds
There is an inconsistency between at least two articles: the article irregular galaxy states that "The Magellanic Cloud galaxies were once classified as irregular galaxies, but have since been found to contain barred spiral structures, and have been since re-classified as "SBm", a fourth type of barred spiral galaxy". On the other hand, the current version of this article states that the Magellanic clouds are classified as irregular dwarf galaxies. Someone who knows the subject matter should fix this inconsistency and add up-to-date scientific references. --212.50.147.101 (talk) 17:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

There is even an inconsistency within this article itself. The heading states: "The two Magellanic Clouds (or Nubeculae Magellani) are irregular dwarf galaxies, which are members of our Local Group of galaxies." Then in the section about the history of the clouds it states: "However, a fourth type, SBm, was subsequently created to describe somewhat irregular barred spirals, such as the Magellanic Cloud galaxies, which were once classified as irregular galaxies, but have since been found to contain barred spiral structures." This statement also has nothing to do with what the section was previously explaining.24.138.30.113 (talk) 01:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Orbiting Milky Way?
"Once they were thought to be orbiting our Milky Way galaxy. However, new research seems to indicate that this is not the case[1][2]." It appears newer research has rendered this second sentence incorrect, here's a ref link http://www.csiro.au/news/GasFinger.html Not familiar enough with the subject matter to change anything as it seems it is still up for debate, anyone? Ozone77 (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Intro
The introduction 'once classified as irregular galaxies, but have since been found' is borderline ridiculous. To wantonly admit scholarly error is not an appropriate way to introduce a phenomena. At least make some positive statements, expunge some facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.243.37 (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Why?

Magellanic Group
According to the Magellanic Clouds and several dwarf galaxies were part of a "Magellanic Group", a subgroup of the Local Group that collided with the Milk Way Galaxy, and became satellites instead of an indepedent collection within the Local Group... this might be considered to be added here or as a separate article. 65.94.45.185 (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

SMC & LMC collision
-- apparently the two collided 300 million years ago. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 15:41, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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Pronunciation?
meh jell ANN ic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.9.126 (talk) 09:36, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

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First mention of MC's in Chile is uncited
The History section claims "The first preserved mention of the Large Magellanic Cloud is believed to be in petroglyphs and rock drawings found in Chile". I cannot find any paper or article that references this or gives evidence for the existence of such petroglyphs. Every mention of this fact is in science news articles and left uncited. Please add a citation for this or remove. 73.144.193.93 (talk) 04:29, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Phrase on renaming the Magellanic Clouds should be removed.
I've noticed this in the page

As of 2023, some astronomers believe the Magellanic Clouds should be renamed, alleging that Magellan was a murderer and neither an astronomer nor the discoverer of the dwarf galaxies.

This should not be in the main page. The reference given is an op-ed, and it's clearly a fringe idea: https://nypost.com/2023/11/03/news/woke-astronomers-demand-renaming-of-magellanic-clouds/. 103.212.52.188 (talk) 23:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Killing vs Murdering
BRD, might as well discuss. Is it fair to call Magellan a murderer in the part about the potential renaming? 12.32.37.18 (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)