Talk:Maggie Simpson/Archive 1

Data in characteristics
It says that Maggie has been 1 year old for the past 17 years. Does this really matter? In case it does, it should be added to all of the simpsons characters. just my 2 cents... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.141.1.70 (talk) 21:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Userbox
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Santa
Did Maggie not say "Santa" in the episode where Mr.Burns is anxious to "kill off" Abe Simpson and earn himself the paintings?
 * That was Lisa. --Jnelson09 04:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

What does this line mean ? "She has spoken only one word in the normal continuity of the series, "Daddy" (voiced by Elizabeth Taylor), and no one heard it, as Homer was somewhat fuming over how Lisa's First Word wasn't "Daddy", but rather "Homer"."


 * How did no one hear it when it was voiced ?
 * Was Homer fuming after the word was uttered or during when the word was being uttered ?

Jay 11:01, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

This is factually incorrect. Here's a transcript from that episode (Lisa's First Word), taken from SNPP

Homer: The sooner kids talk, the sooner they talk back. [tucks Maggie in] I hope you never say a word. [shuts the door] Maggie: [taking her pacifier out] Daddy.

Nobody hears Maggie's first word because nobody is in the room - not because Homer is "fuming". Nick04 11:13, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

To add to the above - Maggie is generally acknowledged by the fans to have spoken twice in the normal continuity of the series. Here's the second time she speaks (from 3F01: Home Sweet Home Diddily Dum Doodily)

Maude: Oh, relax, Bart. Your sister Maggie isn't scared. Bart: That's because she can't talk. Maggie: [pulls her pacifier out] Daddily doodily!

Because this doesn't take place during a fantasy sequence, it's accepted this is her second word. I'll correct the article, and add her second word.

Nick04 11:15, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Additional - while reading through this I notice a lot is factually incorrect (it is disputed whether her pacifier is voiced by Matt Groening, in any event, it's played by a sampler).


 * Neither "daddily" nor "doodily" are words. How can you talk without words? A gx7 01:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Why does Maggie deserve a whole article?
The only interesting thing she ever did was shoot Mr.Burns. Besides that, all she ever does is suck. (literaly)
 * She is a key character, even if she is in the background a lot! Sonic Mew 13:01, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

How is "Nesthäkchen" Maggie called in English ?
In German, the youngest member of a household is called the "Nesthäkchen" of the family. So in the Simpsons family, Maggie is their "Nesthäkchen". Does anyone know of an English translation -- no, of an English _counterpart_ of the word "Nesthäkchen" ? What do you normally call the youngest member of a family like Maggie Simpson ? Hans Rosenthal (hans.rosenthal AT t-online.de -- replace AT by @ ) PS: I am not looking for a translation like "baby of the family", but for someting like "Oops" or "Oopsie" -- only better than this one.
 * English doesn't have a word like that---English-speakers just say the "youngest member of the family" (or "youngest child"). :-) Anthony Dean 21:39, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course you can be "the baby of the family" well into your forties. Avalon 07:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Middle Initial
It was mentioned by Matt Groening in an issue of Simpsons Comics that the Simpson family's middle names all begin with J. Should this be added or not, considering it is never mentioned in an episode?
 * I'm not sure that's accurate, Lisa's full name is Lisa Marie Simpson, LMS... - Adolphus79 22:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Homer's 'Margaret' forgetfulness
Should the fact that Homer forgets Maggie's actual first name be mentioned? Invisible pyromanic leprechaun 17:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

It should be mentioned that he forgets about Maggie completely. --Jnelson09 04:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Simpsons articles
The article asserts:
 * Making the plaque read "Don't forget her" as opposed to "Don't forget, you're here forever"

under "Early life", with a citation which takes you to the synopsis on the Simpsons.com site, which doesn't include this information (thus, an invalid reference, like most references in Simpsons articles on here). In the show the sign is changed to read "Do it for her" not "Don't forget her" as stated. I just found Wikipedia today and have been reading thru some of the Simpsons articles. I'm taken aback by all the assumptions and innacuracies in these articles - they read like a fourteen year old's recollection of the episodes three months later, not like an accurate resource for Simpsons fans. There is also a shocking amount of speculation and plainly "wrong" data in all these articles. The whole "Simpsons" family of articles needs some serious attention and work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.157.107.144 (talk) 04:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Added { { citecheck } } since the first two citations I checked did not include the information supposedly referenced. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.157.107.144 (talk) 04:47, 20 December 2006 (UTC).


 * The citations are for the entire paragraph, referencing what happens to Maggie in the whole episode, not just that sentence. And the other three are completely accurate. If you feel you can do a better job on this and other articles, then please be my guest, and do a better job. We welcome any help at all at the Simpsons wikiproject. Gran2 18:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

What is the episode?
Whats the episode where Maggie has eaten an issue of TIME MAGAZINE, and Marge and Magge are at the doxtors, and the rest of the simpsons clan are at the supermarket?  AC Best  Autograph Book  16:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It was Simpson Safari.Dr. Ralph Wiggum (talk) 16:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Can someone explain to me why this keeps getting reverted?
"Maggie has spoken in at least two of the original shorts on The Tracey Ullman Show. In Good Night, the last line is Maggie saying "good night". In Making Faces, she laughs and mimics Lisa's "check this out" after seeing Lisa's face at the beginning. In that same short, she appears to say "alright" alongside Bart and Lisa, and screams "We're doomed" at the end with Bart and Lisa. In these instances, her speech isn't entirely clear. She also mumbles something in the short House of Cards, but it's unintelligible."

There's no real reason for it to go. I'll elaborate. In the first short, she clearly says "good night" because there's no one else that matches her voice and she is the last to sleep. Her other instances (or, at least, attempts) of speech for the rest of these shorts match that voice, so it's undeniably supposed to be Maggie saying that last line. There's no way that it's someone else talking if that same baby-ish voice is the one saying "good night". She also very much tries to mimic Lisa in Making Faces when she tries to say "check this out". The words may not be as clear, but it's obvious she's trying to copy her big sister with the same tone, so it comes out as more like "cheh he hout". Later in that short, her mouth moves along with Bart and Lisa when they exclaim "alright" and "we're doomed", so she at least is in the same mindset (it's hard to tell if Maggie truly said that, though, since her voice is hard to hear over Bart and Lisa's). Finally, in House of Cards, it's almost impossible to say for sure what Maggie is trying to say, but it's still the same consistent voice from previous shorts. At the very least, there's no real debate in whether or not Maggie spoke in Good Night, and it's obvious that Maggie was trying to copy Lisa's words in Making Faces (even if it didn't quite come out perfect). 208.101.173.66 00:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Speculation may be fine for fan sites, but this is Wikipedia and everything must be sourced. in other words, if you can find an article (from a NON fansite) or interview that confirms this, then by all means, it can stay. -- Scorpion0422 00:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But there won't BE interviews. You can ask for them, but the fact is Matt Groening cares more for the half-hour series than the shorts. Even if it is where they got their start, they remain rather obscure. They aren't on television anymore, all it did was establish the characters to the public for the first time. They are largely ignored now, and are far more simple. After all, they were shorts, they didn't even have a real continuity. So sources like that will not (and probably will never) happen. But enough of that, I'm interesting in why you think this is mere speculation. 208.101.173.66 01:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:A and you will see. -- Scorpion0422 01:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't see. Because speculation is quite a strong word. Speculation would be akin to thinking up explanations of why the family forgot this instance of Maggie speaking (whether it be "they were too tired to remember" or "it doesn't count"), or that there was a sixth person in the room of "Good Night" who said "good night". Your idea of speculation appears to be if it's in an episode, but isn't really mentioned again by the producers. In that case, half of the article is missing proper sources. For example, I guess Maggie didn't really think that Homer was "Bald Mommy". No real documentation of the shorts outside of plot outlines and "they happened" exist. That means (to you) that, say, Krusty wasn't an impostor (likely) that strangled Bart. The episodes / shorts are not original research. What's the point of watching them if you need interviews and such to confirm what you just saw? 208.101.173.66 14:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I cleaned up the section, and limited it to times that she definitely spoke, so I left the bit about Good Night, but took out the part about Making Faces, because Wikipedia is not about noting EVERY SINGLE time she's possibly spoken. I added a fact tag on the original Maggie voice thing, because that needs a reliable source, not a fan site. -- Scorpion0422 16:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I admit that's a reasonable compromise. I just doubt there's gonna be a secondary source besides the actual episode and voice actor credits anytime soon (by the way, is IMDB considered a fan site?), unless the Simpsons shorts end up on DVD with commentaries or something since the creators seem to ignore what actually happened in the shorts. I still think Maggie trying to mimic Lisa is noteworthy, but I guess there's really nothing I can do about that, and I guess you're right that I'm just going by what that really sounds like rather than what really came out of her mouth. 208.101.173.66 18:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's not a fansite, but most people don't consider it a Reliable source. -- Scorpion0422 19:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Maggie's Voice
The voice section in question is meant for "real world" information about the character - her design, who shes based on, voice actors, etc. Saying "In The Simpsons Movie, Maggie says Sequel" has NO real world context whatsoever, does not belong in the section and really does not belong in the article. Maybe it's a major line, but it has no importance to the character at all. -- Scorpion0422 23:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Does anyone else think it is worth adding a note about who voices Maggie in the movie? Currently there is no mention but I suggest the last sentence which currently reads ' Her squeaks and occasional speaking parts are regularly done by Nancy Cartwright or Yeardley Smith ' (which in itself is a poorly written sentence) should be changed to something along the lines of ' Maggie's brief speaking part in the movie is voiced by Nancy Cartwright who, along with Yeardley Smith, provides some of her squeaks and occasional speaking parts in the regular episodes '. This way the information is included, NC and YS are still credited with their occasional parts and Wikipedia benefits from one more notable fact. RaseaC 13:53, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The movie is not really that special so I fail to see why it should get any special mention because it invites people to add her speaking parts for every episode she has spoken in. Then the section would be a mess. -- Scorpion0422 13:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Granted, the movie doesn't sit shoulder to shoulder with trouble in the middle east, the APEC summit or the hurricane season, but comparitively speaking it's generated a lot more hype than any episode, has a vast article on here dedicated to it and a simple google search throws up more results than the average episode. The movie isn't special at all, you're right, infact it's pretty rubbish in my opinion but despite that opinion I can still tell that by refusing to acknowledge it as a pretty big part of The Simpsons franchise you're just trying to be awkward. I've invited you to make a constructive contribution to this subject a number of times and it's unfortunate that you don't want to. I could just revert your edits each time you make them (as you have countless times to other editors' contributions here) but I won't, I want to see what other people think about it. RaseaC 14:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I for one consider the gags during and after the movie's end credits to be not terribly important. That the film was a big part of the "franchise" doesn't mean it added much to Maggie's character &mdash; the movie itself should be treated in this article as an episode. Maggie speaking wasn't part of the story, was barely part of the movie, and won't be retained in the continuity for the character.
 * The Voice paragraph in this article doesn't need another verbose, clumsy sentence detailing what happened when she spoke in the movie. The current last sentence needs to be sourced, but is otherwise fine. / edg ☺ ★ 14:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Maggie's First Word To The Family
In the Simpsons Movie, during the credits Maggie says "Sequal?" (Wondering if there was going to be a sequal to the movie or not.) and those are the first words her FAMILY has ever heard, other than the baby gibberish she speaks. In another episode, I forget which one, sorry, but in another episode, she sayd "daddy" (Or dada, i think. Not sure.) I hope someone clears this up. Stickmeister (talk) 21:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Clearing up has been attempted but no agreement has been reached. See discussions on my talk page (archive 1) and above. RaseaC (talk) 00:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For what I hope will be the final time, the section is meant for real world info about her voice, it is not the place for a crufty list of every time she has spoken. -- Scorpion0422 00:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe listing all the times that she has talked would be unnecessary, as the section is for only real world information.  xihix  (talk) 00:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Kang
I thought that in one of the Tree House Of Horror episodes, Maggie is discovered to be Kang's daughter, or is the fact that because it's a THOH, it is not thought to be important? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vitual aelita (talk • contribs) 11:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not important. It's a single-episode situation with no influence on other episodes. The producers have stated that Treehouse of Horror (series) episodes take place outside the normal continuity of the series, so including this on the character page would merely be unencyclopedic plot recap. / edg ☺ ☭ 12:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Maggie's birth year
This article says that Maggie was born in 1900. Is that supposed to be 1990? There's no citation, or I'd check it myself. --199.218.252.113 21:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Well obviously she couldn't be born in 1900.203.53.167.180 00:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Never use that word when it comes to The Simpsons. Nevertheless, 1990 is probably a more correct figure. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 13:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Maggie's Voice Actors
About the "various part" I don't think it should just be "various" as a text, but it has a link to the subtopic which may go like this:

http://wikipedia.org/character#subtopic

I just think it may come to use. Aix Duran

"Sequel?"
Any source for this? It's been inserted at least three times, and sounds a little too obvious. / edg ☺ ★ 20:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Its true, there is a source for it as well, can't remember where though. I think it would Animation Magazine or something, I'll find out. Gran2 20:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That doesn't bode well. What a lame joke. / edg ☺ ★ 20:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added a citation for the voice actor (Nancy Cartwright) from IMDB. 67.168.161.111 06:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The Source is the end of The Simpsons Movie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marine7 (talk • contribs) 00:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I hear "fi' goo'", not "sequel". Alone Coder (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

episode where Maggie cried
I don't see any mention of Maggie Simpson crying in the show. I remember that one episode with Homer's "Mood Swings" ("Crook and Ladder" from early 2007, when I started watching Simpsons regularly) had an instance where Marge removed Maggie's pacifier, so it should be inevitable. ---Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Family
maggie has a brother,hugo.And,most likely two half-cousins,because she has two half-uncles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.9.248.89 (talk) 01:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Shooting Mr. Burn's
What exactly was wrong with the inclusion of Maggie "supposedly" shooting Mr. Burns when it is clearly alluded and confirmed in the commentary that it was not accidental. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki Mateo (talk • contribs) 02:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Additionally the article says the gun 'accidentally' went off, whereas if one watches the episode frame-by-frame, Maggie's finger can be clearly seen pulling the trigger. --128.243.253.111 (talk) 16:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I dont get it
I had added something to Homer's profile talking about the lizardlike tongue he is seen using in a few episodes and the movie, and it was called a one-off gag and deleted. Yet how come it talks aobut maggie being a marksman because she shot mobsters in one episode that was obviously a one-off joke as well? 76.192.144.49 (talk) 17:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you have to remember that they are completely different characters. Homer has been the focus of countless episodes while Maggie has been much less visible. So, the littler things mean more for this article than they would for Homer's article. -- Scorpion 0422  18:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Plus Maggie shooting the mobsters in "Papa's Got a Brand New Badge", Mr Burns in "Who Shot Mr. Burns?", and Russ Cargill in the movie, are obviously more key plot points, especially in the case of Burns. Homer's tongue has never been a key plot element, and has been nothing more than a joke.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 19:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Recetion part
WHy is this "article" tainted by about.com? might aswell reference wikiedia lmao! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.85.90.34 (talk) 19:03, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Movie Voice
Unless I am blind (a possibility!) I cannot find any reference to who voiced Maggie in the movie either on this page or on the page for the movie itself. I'm talking about the word 'sequel?' during the credits, naturally. Excise (talk) 16:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's a one-off joke and not worth mentioning. It's not in the voice section because if we listed it, we would have to list every time she has spoken. Instead, the section is limited to real world info about her voice. -- Scorpion 0422  16:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of times she has spoken is indeed in the article (though I am sure there are others that are not included). Surely an occasion where she speaks with what sounds like her real voice would be more notable than the various times she's spoken using James Earl Jones or one of the aliens' voice, no? Excise (talk) 17:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not about notability, it's about real world info. In those cases, she was voiced by a different voice actor, which is why they are noted in the section. -- Scorpion 0422  17:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Who voiced her in the movie? What I'm trying to get at is that I don't even know who did and both this article and movie fails to address it. Thus I (and presumably other readers) would have no idea if it was a different voice actor or a previous one. Excise (talk) 17:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * According to imdb she was voiced by Nancy Cartwright. As this is a different voice actor than normal (Nancy having done the squeaks, etc, but not the voice), should it not be included? Excise (talk) 17:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, not true. Nancy Cartwright voiced Maggie's speaking parts in Bart vs. Thanksgiving and Flaming Moe's. -- Scorpion 0422  20:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Just paragraph 3 needs fixing, then. 'Maggie's squeaking parts are currently provided by Nancy Cartwright, but the few words Maggie has spoken have been provided by...' implies Nancy does not do the speaking parts. I'll wait for your opinion (or a day or so) before making the change. Excise (talk) 13:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

More words
Do those words spoke. At the end of the last episode in season 20 count? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.148.49 (talk) 15:24, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, who voiced "Ja, Ja" for Maggie in "Coming to Homerica (#20.21)"? I'm trying to update the IMDB credits for the episode.   71.86.152.127 (talk) 01:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Maggy Simpson
Maybe someone with a registered name could put #REDIRECT Maggie Simpson in Maggy Simpson. That article is not currently in use and some people - like me - end up there expecting an article about the Simpsons family member. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 20:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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Maggie's Middle Name
When was it ever established in the series that Maggie's middle name is Evelyn? and are there references to that effect? Otherwise I think it should be removed from the article until proper collaboration has been made. YborCityJohn (talk) 23:09, 2 July 2017 (UTC)