Talk:Magibon

Playboy Appearance
appeared twice in the Japanese Weekly Playboy magazine, with non-nude illustrated interviews. I suggest a removal of the term non-nude, as it is slightly misleading WP:NPOV. Otherwise it would be more appropriate to have the terms partially-nude and erotic. Which is more descriptive of the second interview. Which seem to have been mysteriously censored. Please discuss.Hetelllies (talk) 10:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course you suggest a removal. You would like to remove the whole article, wouldn't you? You are a more successful troll than the stupid Arguecat3, I needed a while to recognize you as troll. That is no wonder, because Arguecat belongs to ED, the site for the dumb and obscene trolls, while you are the author of this hostile Magibon article on Uncyclopedia, a more civilized trollsite for more sophisticated trolls. However, on your usersite you mentioned that you want to cooperate with ED. Now I see your work. I have put so much work in this article and now it looks like this because of people like you. However, I will take care that Magibon gets a fair treatment. I will make an article on my Magibon FAQ and tell all the people what is going on here and how people like you and Arguecat try to make it impossible to write a fair article. --Firithfenion (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, this is getting out of hand. You're really straying into personal attacks. No one owns this article, so you can't "make sure" of anything. Some of Hetelllies comments actually make sense, and other concerns were brought up by neutral parties at ANI. You should really take a chance to relax and discuss what you want this article to be, rather than taking it personally like this. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 14:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * At the moment I see not much point in discussing or contributing anything because at the moment this article is owned by a troll. I have put a lot of work in this article and now almost everything has been destroyed but I will mention on my Magibon FAQ what happened to this article and why it looks that way. It is okay that the articles of other Youtuber like Happyslip have a huge video overview, but my little video overview was deleted for idiotic reasons. Almost everything I wrote is criticized and deleted by strange people who are not able to make a substantial addition of their own to this article. Certain people try to do their best to prevent this article and they try to apply double standards here that are not applied on any other similar article on other Youtube personalities. Certain people try to make it impossible to write this article so at the moment I see not much sense in writing or contributing anything. Instead of help from the AN, I got stabbed in the back. Thank you very much! However, I will watch this article carefully and I will expose what is going on here on my FAQ. --Firithfenion (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you feel that our policies are "idiotic". And if there's something wrong with another article, that doesn't excuse this one for having problems. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 18:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not the policies are idiotic. What makes them ridiculous is the fact that they are interpreted here in an ad absurdum way. With the ridicolous "arguments" of people like Hetelllies & Co I can destroy almost every single article on Wikipedia. There is nothing wrong with the other articles, there is something wrong that some people are trying to apply double standards here on this one article. If other people add doubtful links like the claim that Magi is "Japanophile" they get no criticism from people like you. I am very disappointed. It seems that Wikipedia is by far not as serious as I always thought. --Firithfenion (talk) 19:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You should feel honored that you are getting so much help with your article. If you have to go through this much work to write solid facts that can't be disputed, you will feel much more accomplished once this is turned into an actual article.Yariau neko (talk) 00:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the removal of the term "non-nude" as it is quite ambiguous. However, should we mention that it is gravure? Please discuss.Yariau neko (talk) 12:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What is gravure? I looked it up in OED and I am yet to find the meaning that fits with explaining photo shoot. However, a search on wikipedia came up with, gravure idol which is more descriptive in context. Did you mean gravure idol? To include this term it needs be cited properly.Hetelllies (talk) 23:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Weekly Playboy
Should Weekly Playboy be additionally described as an adult or men's magazine? Please discuss.Hetelllies (talk) 22:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I should say that it should be described as an adult Magazine. Sure, the target audience is adult men, but I am sure Bisexual/Lesbian females would look at it as well. Therefore, I think it should be listed as adult Magazine.Yariau neko (talk) 12:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is not the place to expand on what Weekly Playboy is. It has its own article, if you disagree with the categorization, please discuss on the talk page for that article. FWIW, Weekly Playboy has more in common with magazines that are generally categorized as mens magizines, such as FHM or Sports Illustrated, than magazines categorized as adult magazines such as the US (and the Japanese Monthly) Playboy. --Fugu Alienking (talk) 06:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Leading Japan YouTube's all-time top list
What categories does she lead? Maybe specific categories should be written into the article, and not just a general blanket of "Japan YouTube's all-time top list; suggesting removal if not clarified. Please discuss. Yariau neko (talk) 00:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Clarification:I mean possibly list the rewards she has received on Japan YouTube.Yariau neko (talk) 00:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I knew that you would not be able to keep your promise and stay away from this article. Arguecat3/Yariau Neko, you will be a very lonely person just because of your jealousy and your paranoid hatred against Magibon. I have removed you from my subscriber/friendlist on Youtube and Forryga has told KGKGKG and other people about you and, as far as I know, they have removed you too. "Thank you" for writing such a "nice" hatearticle about me on "Encyclopedia Dramatica" but I really don't care. Nobody here in Germany knows this sick and racist hatesite. At least nobody I care. It seems that you try to contact and convince Hetelllies to work together with you against the Magibon article but I know that Uncyclopedians don't like you ED-trolls either. Furthermore, Uncyclopedia doesn't promote Wikipedia vandalism, like ED does. Your personal crusade against Magibon will not succeed. Thank you --Firithfenion (talk) 09:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't say I would stay away from this article. I said I would stay away from your fangroup. Please get your facts straight. Also, I have not vandalized Wikipedia, nor do I have a personal crusade against Magibon. Firithfenion, you have been warned about personal attacks on Wikipedia. Please refrain from them. Also, I do not wish to become friends with Hetelllies, I was just stopping you from vandalizing. Thank you. Yariau neko (talk) 12:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have checked the reference and she does lead the all time views (for Japan, as for categories, it be Director under Japan and Partner under Japan), However I would like to comment on these views. Having an all time high viewership under Japan doesn't necessarily mean that all her views she got from Japanese patrons of Youtube. What it means is that a person under the title Youtube Japan has the most views compared to other youtubers under Japan. Just for a trivial note, the youtube Japan server is in the USA. So it's merely a title.Hetelllies (talk) 00:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To think of it, being a leader in Japanese youtube does not warrant a note on notability. As a youtuber under Russian youtube could be a leader with 12 000 000 views. However if ones want to be a leader under the Global (American) Youtube one needs 2 200 000 000. Also a youtuber could change the locality of their youtube accounts very easily. Hetelllies (talk) 00:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, thats just what she did. She resides in the United States, yet set her region to Japan. Should this be mentioned?Yariau neko (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Therefore, I put forward that, having such a statement may arouse confusion. People may actually think that she's most viewed in Japan. When in truth, Her views could all be coming from all over the world. Reasoning it so, I see no purpose having such a statement. Unless said by a reliable third party WP:RS Hetelllies (talk) 22:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Playboy Appearances
Is it possible that we can find reliable/verifiable sources for the issues she was in of this particular Magazine? Which issue, what months? Saying she has appeared is nice, but please be more specific. Please discuss.Yariau neko (talk) 12:55, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A wikipedian fugualienking has added references for the appearances in Playboy. (2008 issues 2.25 no.8 and 4.14 no.15). Therefore it would be, 2008 issue 8 that was released on Feb 25 and 2008 issue 15 that was released on April 14.Hetelllies (talk) 23:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible to change the term Appearances to something else? Hetelllies (talk) 23:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How about simply she was interviewed twice? Saying she appeared twice gives the impression that she was a major feature of that particular issue, and may have only been minor. An analysis of the actual articles are required to determine significance.Yariau neko (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed.Hetelllies (talk) 23:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Further note. I think someone has uploaded a full copy of the magazine on youtube. Perhaps,we could use that for analysis. However we must be sure, we do not cross the line into Original Research. Therefore, whatever results we find from the analysis, it should only be used as a guide, not reference.Hetelllies (talk) 10:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

her own wiki page???
what is this chick famous for? most of america doesnt even understand her because all she does is speak japanese! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.13.119 (talk) 23:39, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This article has already been nominated for deletion before. You are of course welcome to nominate it again if you think circumstances have changed, but I encourage you to read the previous deletion discussions before you do so to understand why other people think that an article is justified. --Fugu Alienking (talk) 04:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Two links to her youtube page
Should it be mentioned that there are in fact 2 links to her youtube channel? There is http://www.youtube.com/user/MRirian which is not mentioned on the page, and also http://www.youtube.com/Magibonchan which is already listed. Since there is very little reliable info, I figured one more little fact can only help :). I am currently sorting through google to find more reliable sources. If anyone knows of anything please discuss. Thank you.Yariau neko (talk) 13:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Possible reliable source?
I have found this article on Magibon while scouring google. Is it reliable enough to use or not? It really is a shame if this article gets deleted.Yariau neko (talk) 04:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Daily Trojan seems to be a reliable source. Newspaper of UCLA. However I would like to note that this article is categorized under opinion, and that mention of Magibon, is that of an example. Something to improve the main subject (Internet Fame related). It isn't a full fledge article about Magibon. Hetelllies (talk) 10:39, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Usage of Material from Salon.com
As submitted By user:Section8pidgeon on the Magibon 2nd nomination AFD page, http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2008/01/18/youtube_meme/ seems to be an extensive article on Magibon. I would like to use some material to further improve the article, but before that, I would like a third opinion.Hetelllies (talk) 11:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it is quite a good idea as it is the only solid source in English about Magibon. I have found the Trojan one, but as you pointed out, it is a weak-although reliable- source. Could we use both? Yes? No?Yariau neko (talk) 03:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
I have removed the info, but it seems as if we will have to be vigilant. Yariau neko (talk) 02:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not see how a whois of a user is related to the article. As it is private information, I suggest you remove it.Hetelllies (talk) 10:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

MIDTOWN TV
According to this article in the Japanese wikipedia, it states something about MIDTOWN TV having it's last transmission on July 26 2008. Will someone come forward and vertify this. Hetelllies (talk) 11:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 放送期間 2007年3月26日〜2008年7月26日 Translation: broadcasting period was from March 26 2007~July 26 2008. Ya it looks as if they have ceased broadcasting.Yariau neko (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

What is the name of leader who has provided an internet show program "Midtown TV" with Yaguchi Mary in that video —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.46.78.140 (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Age?
First off, this article should be deleted. But as for the subject title, can we get some verification on her age? From the way her teeth look there is no way she is 22. Try 12. ʄ! •¿talk?  05:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Encyclopedia Dramatica's article (can't link) is better sourced than ours. But yeah, she's 22. It's kinda half her gimmick: looking loli.--SquareOuroboros (talk) 09:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * She is indeed 22, As referenced by her Youtube page.Yariau neko (talk) 19:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I still don't buy it, guys... Please someone get a better source. (Her Youtube page wouldn't say she was ever a minor when posting stuff because that would incriminate someone, right?) 140.180.10.128 (talk) 00:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In some videos she looks clearly to be around 20. I guess the videos where she looks a minor are earlier, or make her look so because of the angle view. pictureuploader (talk) 09:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Second trip to Japan
It seems Magibon will be a narrator for some sort of film. Does anyone have more information or sources?Yariau neko (talk) 21:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Signature phrase
Regarding signature phrase,

Konnichiwa minnasan, Maggie desu.

shouldn't it be:

minasan konichiwa, magi desu

as said in the Gyao program she appeared in? Also, I would like to add that the signature phrase needs referencing. Giving an unsourced signature phrase would create unnecessary confusion. Hetelllies (talk) 10:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * We would have a great source of info if we could get a nonbiased reliable third party to translate the gyao interview. I took it from there actually, since Maruyama referred to it as her catch phrase- at least thats what I caught with my limited japanese ability.Yariau neko (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Since her catch phrase is in Japanese, would it better if it were in japanese (Kanji,Hiragana,Katakana) with romaji supporting it. Also, the update you did still left it with a westernized magi, maggie. Hetelllies (talk) 09:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok I will fix it.Yariau neko (talk) 17:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Internet Celebrity
It seems the internet celebrity article in which internet personality links to has been deleted. Hetelllies (talk) 10:10, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Question : How do we describe what Magibon is?

A: Do we describe it by stating it's an internet phenomenon as per G4TV and Salon.com

B: Or it's a Youtube Meme as per Salon.com

C: Internet celebrity.

D: Internet personality. Wikitionary. However do note that wikitionary is a wiki and that a search on dictionary.com or askoxford.com dosen't return with an answer. Comment: I do not think internet celebrity describes it, as based on sources referred, none as far as I can understand, describes Magibon directly as an internet celebrity Salon.com;G4TV;Entrevue.fr.

Please discuss and help by giving much needed advice.Hetelllies (talk) 10:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Where is her parents from
I mean is she japanese 100% or is she half european? --Tesko111111 (talk) 00:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * She is 0% Japanese or European, but is part Cherokee (Native American), and Caucasian.Yariau neko (talk) 01:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Caucasians are European. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.11.226 (talk) 20:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is safe to say her parents are white Americans. Mrdonut2142 (talk) 08:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

2nd trip to japan
|en&u=http://www.tiff-jp.net/en/lineup/works.php%3Fid%3D186&usg=ALkJrhhUAoUk9Nc41eW8f_a2R5BDn3koXw possible reliable source. Yes? No?Yariau neko (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * TIFF homepage. Seems to be legit to me. Wiki-expert opinion needed.Yariau neko (talk) 06:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems reliable enough for me.Hetelllies (talk) 09:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Non notable person
This person hasn't done anything to deserve a Wikipedia page. Please delete.Ariana-hime (talk) 11:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Caution : This user Ariana-hime (talk) making several vandalism, blanking, making multiple unconstructive edits. Harmonic_gear (talk) 03:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Before you jump to a proposal of deletion, read WP:DELETE first, I think this would be of most help to you. While you are at it, note the reasons as to why an article should be deleted. Done? Okay, if you are still unsatisfied, go to WP:AFD or WP:AFDHOWTO.Hetelllies (talk) 08:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Picture of Magibon at the Tokyo International Film Festival
http://www.tiff-jp.net/report/daily_en.php?itemid=727

What a fascinating story, this Magibon. FX (talk) 04:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.tiff-jp.net/report/daily.php?itemid=709


 * This is the Japanese version, I will update with English version photo gallery from FX, thanks. Harmonic gear (talk) 01:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Magibon
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but all Wikipedia articles must meet our criteria for inclusion (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Since it does not seem that Magibon meets these criteria, an editor has started a discussion about whether this article should be kept or deleted.

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Enough is enough
I would like to thank each and everyone of you who to took the time to write an article about me. I really appreciate it but enough is enough, I do not wish my life's story be compiled by any Tom, Dick and Harry. Sure, it's in the news and all, and the article on me passed your so called notabilty requirements. That said, I would really feel better than to have anonymous ill wishers dictate my life.I have had enough with people making absurd rumors about me. Calling me in the night, posting me used condoms. Why do you give my haters a forum? Also, I would really appreciate if you would stop fighting over me. Thank you. Magichan (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

^Shouldn't this obvious and poor impersonation be deleted and perhaps have the IP reported? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.11.226 (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Removed "unemployed" claim
First, the info is 6-months old. Second, it's WP:UNDUE weight in the lead (as is her current state of residence for that matter). Third, entertainers aren't normally employed in a day job, but I see some wiggle room here in that respect because she's not not a professional actor. But the first two reasons are compelling enough to remove the info. VG &#x260E; 15:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I would probably place the reliably sourced information that she was "supermarket cashier" in the body text somewhere. I can see how her employment status right now might get old quickly (as well as taking it out of the lead section), but deleting her employment history entirely -- especially when reliably sourced -- seems odd. Readers will want to know: who is this person? Why is she notable? How did she get to be a youtube celebrity? Obviously, if a reliable third party source covers that information, it's relevant for a BLP. J Readings (talk) 20:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

WHY DELETE THIS PAGE
IF YOU DELETE THIS PAGE THEN WHY DONT YOU DELETE ALL THE OTHER PAGES THAT TALK ABOUT PEOPLE'S SUCCESS ON THE INTERNET. THIS IS STUPID THAT THIS PAGE MAY BE DELETED. --Chrismaster1 (talk) 01:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

MISLEADING REFERENCES
Is this a lie????

http://www.zassi.net/mag_index.php?id=307

It does not show the Nov 10 issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seramagi (talk • contribs) 15:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it wasn't a lie. The URL simply led to the top page showing the contents of the current issue of Weekly Playboy. I have now corrected the link to show the Nov 10 issue contents. --DAJF (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Reference
http://yearzero.pardon.pl/dyskusja/1443587/amerykanski_wytrzeszcz_jest_wielki_w_japonii

AuricBlofeld (talk) 07:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20081218r1.html

AuricBlofeld (talk) 07:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The first reference looks like a blog, so would not be considered acceptable for a biography of a living person such as this one. Anyway, statements added to the article should be properly cited within the article. Asking readers to refer to sources posted on the talk page is not acceptable. --DAJF (talk) 07:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am reading up on Wikipedia:CITE. Please wait.AuricBlofeld (talk) 07:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

As for the first ref, I got it off google news. I will read more about it. Please wait. And thank you for waiting AuricBlofeld (talk) 08:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note that the Japan Times article explicitly states that Magibon does not wish to have her full name published, and that her full name has not been published in any non-trivial English- or Japanese-language source. WP:BLP recommends erring on the side of caution to protect the privacy of the subject, so unless a reliable reference can be found in a language that most editors here can understand, I strongly suggest refraining from adding such information to this article. --DAJF (talk) 08:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Doing a reception section
As about most part of the 2nd ref was about public reception. I think I am going to do a reception section.AuricBlofeld (talk) 08:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Extra Info
guys i suggest you to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1WeU3mmzps&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv8b5BMSFGU&feature=related that is her first TV debut on Japanese Television. In the show she talks a little about herself and also mentions that she studied the language watching japanese drama and listening to the music. Also note, that she not always understands what hosts tell her and talks to them through an interpreter.

Concerning the deletion issue, i stongly recommend to keep the article, she talks in Japanese but garners enormous non-japanese audience from all around the world. Moreover, many of her videos has no words at all, and mostly consists of gestures and glances. I suggest to connect this article to something like body language or non-verbal communication maybe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.218.179.193 (talk) 06:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * How about connecting her article with a garbage bin? In all actuality, I agree she deserves a Wiki simple because of the enormous amount of attention this inane girl has gotten. As to referring to body languages articles...why?  Just because she flips her hands around and throws a few Japanese phrases?  May as well link the article to articles on short-attention span, too, since if internet audiences are so taken with her that article would be their basis for liking her.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.42.131.64 (talk) 12:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Japanese
How did she learn fluent Japanese and is she part Japanese? Badagnani (talk) 01:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The same way anybody who wants to learn Japanese does? I don't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.42.131.64 (talk) 12:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * She studied it and is far from fluent, and no she is not part Japanese.Yariau neko (talk) 13:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, she's not even vaguely fluent. If you watch the GyaO interview, it's embarrassing. She can speak isolated phrases and that's about it. Allie (talk) 22:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The main reason I'd asked these questions is that they're ones other users of our encyclopedia may likely ask, yet those points weren't addressed in the article. Badagnani (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I googled MRirian and found an alternative Encyclopedia to be quite adequate. link It's at the first result. It mentions her ancestry and a lot of other　related trivia. Hope this will help you.AuricBlofeld (talk) 16:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of sourced content
Please do not continue to remove properly sourced content, apparently in order to prove a WP:POINT. Thank you for this consideration. Badagnani (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to this edit of mine, then my "point" was to remove material sourced using a copyright TV clip on YouTube, which, as I explained in the edit summary, is not permitted on Wikipedia. Please read WP:ELNEVER if you are still not convinced.
 * Having now had time to sit down and watch the TV interview, I notice that she did not even mention her ethnicity nor Glay (she just said "iroiro" when asked), so I have removed those parts, and replaced the YouTube reference source with a citation to the WPB April interview in which she describes how she learned Japanese. This is also mentioned in the December Japan Times article. --DAJF (talk) 02:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Please do not continue to remove the fact that she is not of Japanese ancestry. This is of seminal importance to an understanding of this topic, and and encyclopedic article about such, no matter what WP:POINT you wish to prove. Badagnani (talk) 05:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Any unsourced or improperly sourced biographical details are likely to be removed immediately by myself or other editors as stipulated by Biographies of living persons. If the subject's ancestry can be supported by non-trivial reference sources, then fine, please add it. However, this article cannot be considered encyclopedic if it contains unsourced or improperly sourced information.
 * Regarding WP:POINT, which has been quoted several times here, this particular sentence might be of interest...
 * If you think someone unjustifiably removed your additions to an article with the edit summary "unsourced"...
 * do find a source for your additions
 * Isn't that one of the most fundamental guidelines for how Wikipedia operates? Certainly it is for biographies of living persons, which is what we are dealing with here. Compared to the BLP disaster this article was up until a few months back, it now seems to be pretty comprehensively sourced, so as an editor who also appears to have contributed to this article in the past, I hope you will help to keep it that way. Thanks. --DAJF (talk) 06:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * A verifiable, documented television interview with the subject of the article is not a dubious source, as you imply. The heritage of this individual is of seminal importance to this article. Badagnani (talk) 07:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure about "seminal importance", but I suppose it would be a useful piece of information to include in the article - provided it can be reliably sourced. The problem is: was her ancestry even mentioned in the Gyao TV interview? If you could provide the timecode for the point at which it was mentioned in either of the two YouTube video clips you posted earlier, that would at least help clear up one problem. --DAJF (talk) 08:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Something should be said about her bad teeth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.97.217 (talk) 04:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * DAJF, stop wiki-lawyering . If you want to try to convince us that Maribon's name is unimportant, then accept that the person is also non-notable and nominate this article for deletion.  I will support you on that.  In fact, I just did a news search on her and I'm convinced.  I'm nominating the article myself.Pisomojado (talk) 02:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Misleading source
I removed the info about the yt partner thingy, since I checked it out and shes not in the list. Ari-chan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariana-hime (talk • contribs) 20:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * she is still a partner. AuricBlofeld (talk) 04:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

How is it possible for nobody to know her name?
She's obviously signed so many commercial deals by now, and she's not using 'Magibon' on contracts. Why is her name not known? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.155.250 (talk) 03:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Her real name is on her blog. http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/magichan2007 FX (talk) 04:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a difference between her name not being known and not being made public. --DAJF (talk) 04:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * public via Rocketboom ( youtube.com/watch?v=-4hIfkZUF_I ) -- Margaret Lillian Adams, born 09Aug1986 in Florida. Not Japanese, but a fan of their culture. 199.214.17.91 (talk) 22:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The removal of her name is censorship; it must be restored. --165.189.32.7 (talk) 15:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There's no real reason to leave her name out. --uKER (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * As some who has spent some time getting this article into a reasonable shape, I too would love to be able to add her real name, but until someone can provide an acceptable reliable source to confirm it, we have to leave it out, as stipulated by WP:BLP. It is not censorship, but a matter of accuracy. --DAJF (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Dear DAJF (if I may address you as that), your contributions towards this article is of no doubt immense if not the sole reason why this article is not deleted by now. That being said, you still do not necessarily own this article (you gave away that right each time you click the "Save Page" button). Protecting the subject by withholding her full name is a form of censorship. Your argument that it is inaccurate is not justifiable. You know as well as I do that through original research, you may find the name to be very accurate (and precise), and that even if wrong, so what? it's a wiki. Wikipedia is the collaborative work of the masses, it should never be taken too seriously. But then again this being an article of a supposedly living person (she could be dead by now, who knows? Most of the the references are a year old and a lot of things can happen in a year, rite?) What harm is there to remove this article from the WP:BLP category. Thus, freeing up whatever restrictions there is on her full name.


 * DAJF sir, give us this chance to improve this article, sure there will always be vandalism and the like, but you don't have to hawk over this article every now and then like you do now (I have noted the god-like response time that you have towards reverting edits good or bad on this article), your ghastly presence intimidates the weak. DAJF sir, allow us to flourish and let there be change in this article.


 * Thank you. Good bye. Mrdonut2142 (talk) 08:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Mrdonut2142, go preach your lies somewhere else. Specifically, on a website without the word "wiki" in it. If her name here is inaccurate, then that argument is very much justifiable. Original research is strictly forbidden. The fact that Wikipedia is a wiki doesn't mean that anything is allowed, rather, that anyone can edit it. "Wikipedia is the collaborative work of the masses, it should never be taken too seriously." Are you trying to undermine Wikipedia's purpose perhaps? Even if she is dead (which is a very stupid thing to suggest unless you have hard evidence), original research is still forbidden, especially for something as contentious as her real name. Just adding random things without sources trashes any article. Consider looking over Five pillars and other related policies for a few hours before making your next edit. Sorafune   +1  21:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Lolz、　Dear　Sorafune what kind words you have there for me. Anyways, I don't really understand what you are trying to say, for one you are trying to say that I suggested something about her name here is not accurate and that it being a wiki therefore it is not really important and that is suppose to unjustify whatever argument I just gave. Oh well,　I don't get it, to what name are you referring to? Magibon or her real name. I have no doubts on her real name or her alias, I suppose your comment towards I could be a simple misunderstanding. Whatever it is, the Original Research in the sense of what I suggested to DAJF is not your usual WP:NOR. I was merely suggesting to DAJF that the rocketboom source is vertifiable by him doing his own research into it, hence i chose to label it Original research. Of course, it would be his private original research, and I am not expecting him to add in his findings based on what he found, but to cite the Rocketboom source in which he refutted as inacurate. Here's a quote by DAJF to illustrate my point, "It is not censorship, but a matter of accuracy."
 * As to I undermining wikipedia's purpose... Well nope, I don't see how my words or ideas may undermine wikipedia's purpose. I am a user of wikipedia, at times I trust wikipedia for granted, that is I don't double check on the facts whenever I do a random check for facts, I have my reasons for it. And that is belief. I believe in wikipedia's system. And it would be rather foolish for me to try ruin it.

As to the suggestion that she is dead, hmm my bad must offended you somehow, I was using it to illustrate a point (create some kind of ironny ). Wait, I think I have slowly remembered, I was trying to suggest to DAJF that it is alright to not be too strict in maintaining this article. For DAJF and you do have a valid argument that this article deserve a higher sense of protection because she is alive. Hindsight it may have not been a clever thing to say but I suppose you are right that I would need sufficient prove to suggest that she was dead. And I do not see anything remotely contentious about her name, other than the objections by DAJF whenever her name is placed in the article. Which I tried to highlight as WP:BITE to him. Also to what random things were you implying to I have added. I have checked my contributions and I don't see what so wrong to what I have did. I merely gave sincere comments in the best interests of improving the article by enriching my fellow editors.Mrdonut2142 (talk) 14:20, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Age?
How come it says she was born in August 1986 in the opening of the page, but in the information box it says she was born in June, 1999. Which is the correct age? :::: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.72.65 (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Ririan?
Why is the nonexistent name "Ririan" being used in this article rather than the name "Lillian"? Badagnani (talk) 21:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * FOr the record: The YouTube account name Magibon uses is, the particular spelling of which is meant to involve rhotacism from transliterating to and from Japanese. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 05:17, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Nominate to delete
I commented here a few days back but I want to emphasize that this article has got no right whatsoever being on wikipedia. I say it should be deleted. I've seen the arguments in the past but really don't think they were valid enough to keep the article. Objections?--Lookingthrough (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't really understand the deletionist mentality at all. Why is it necessary to delete? She's a minor internet celebrity. What's wrong with an article about her? Where were the past arguments made? Tweisbach (talk) 02:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The links to the past four AfD discussions are provided at the top of this page. As the last discussion, just three months ago, ended in a "Keep" decision, User:Lookingthrough should read the past discussions and deletion guidelines very carefully, as WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason for deleting established Wikipedia articles. --DAJF (talk) 02:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * In response to everyone above she's about as noteworthy as me or you and we don't have Wikipedia pages. I've looked through the previous dicussions and think the argument for keeping it is flawed. At the same time I respect that people want to keep it here so I won't nominate to delete--Lookingthrough (talk) 09:58, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Comparison with MissHannahMinx
I recall MissHannahMinx not too long ago had her page deleted from youtube because she wasn't notable. So my question is, what makes her notable and MissHannahMinx non-notable? Banders234 (talk) 04:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Reference for Magibon real name
hi i think i have found a reliable source in order to link Magibon to Magaret Lilian Adams.

http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/play/japans-4-most-popular-youtube-stars-all-time-348369

Should there be no objections I shall add the name into the article. Bradshortiepants (talk) 06:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, the link is dead now (specifically HTTP 404); but that's to be expected, as I did see the timestamp... --SoledadKabocha (talk) 04:48, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Tag line
Isn't it "Minna-san", with two Ns?

My dictionary lists both, but I'm only hearing it with the double N. 66.105.218.14 (talk) 09:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Mu
Should it be mentioned that most of the titles of Magibon's videos contain the kanji mu (無), with a link to said article? If so, how, and what kinds of sources are needed?

I noticed that someone already put the 無 symbol in the article while mentioning video no. 55 in the main mu series, but that part might be cleaned up/reworded eventually. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 05:09, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

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