Talk:Magnús Óláfsson

Did my best
I tried to reorganize the chaotic text found here, and put it into logical order. This helps some, but I hope someone else can smooth out the article, and make it more official looking as a biography article. --Ph0kin 19:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I have a couple of Manx history books lying around somewhere. I'll find it and do some work when I have the time. Manxruler 02:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Pre GA review comments
As a project member of some of the above I can't offer a formal review, but here are a few comments:

Lead
 * First instances of Kingdom of the Isles "King of the Isles"; Magnús and his brothers, and Harald Olafsson "In 1237, Óláfr died and was succeeded by his elder son, Haraldr," aren’t linked.
 * Fixed.
 * We read that " At one point during the campaign, Magnús was one of Hákon's vassals who were tasked with raiding deep into the Lennox district." But in Norwegian retaliation there doesn't seem to be anything about Magnus' role.
 * OK, I've mentioned the Lennox in the text.

Background
 * Do we know which parts of the Hebrides?
 * I've added more detail. Is it too much?
 * Looks good to me. Ben   Mac  Dui  20:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not clear why Ívarr is italicised.
 * Removed italics from this and another instance.

Invasion
 * Accomplice of Ívarr - but not 100% clear who Ívarr is.
 * I changed it to "accomplice of (the knight) Ívarr".
 * "The following year, Henry" might be clearer to have "Henry III" or "King Henry".
 * OK, I went with "Henry III".
 * "Although Magnús' eldest brother, Haraldr Óláfsson, appears to have ruled over the entirety of the dynasty's sea-realm, as did Magnús from 1252 onwards," Per the above I assume this refers to Mann and the North Isles, and doesn't include the South Isles (which Godred Crovan and his immediate descendants did rule).
 * Yep. I've changed it to "appears to have ruled over the entirety of the dynasty's 13th century sea-realm".

Norwegian retaliation
 * Not clear why Icelandic Annals is italicised - is it a specific text?
 * Removed italics.


 * "most of Hákon's Norse-Gaelic supporters were reluctant to support his cause" - needs "in future" or similar? They had been content to do so prior to this.
 * I changed "were reluctant to support his cause" to "had been reluctant to support his cause", referring to the expedition. I also switched "most" to "many".

Honours
 * "to scholars" hints that there might be others somewhere.
 * Fixed.

Death
 * "After becoming a widow, Máire is known to have", repeats "is known to have" from prev. sentence.
 * Fixed.

Notes
 * "The Annals of Furness, although an English source, have links to Mann."
 * Are Annals singular or plural?
 * I'm not really sure. Since "Annals of Furness" is such an uncommon term on GoogleBooks, I searched for "Annals of Ulster state" and "Annals of Ulster states", in books published in 21st century, and "... state" is far more common. I reads more natural to me when treated as plural.
 * What do you mean by links?
 * Sellar says the source has "close links" to Mann, but I guess Sellar must actually refer to Furness Abbey' and its Manx connections (for example, Rushen Abbey was a daughter-house of Furness Abbey; when Olaf the Red founded the Diocese of the Isles he gave the monks of Furness the right to elect the Bishop of the Isles, so in consequence a number these bishops had previously been Abbots of Furness; Ragnvald was buried at Furness Abbey; and a number of the Crovan kings granted lands and rights to the monks of Furness). I'm just going to remove the note altogether unless I can find more info on the Annals of Furness.


 * Why the red link here but not in the text?
 * Taken care of.

Sources
 * Re Cowan, Edward J.; McDonald, Russell Andrew, Alba: Celtic Scotland in the middle ages. The on-line ads sometimes have Medieval Era cf Middle Ages but it always seem capitalised. Ben   Mac  Dui  13:45, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks very much MacDui for going over this.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. Ben   Mac  Dui  20:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

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