Talk:Magna Carta Holy Grail

Roc-A-Fella Records
Honestly I think that Roc-A-Fella shouldn't be counted as an active label on new articles because the label went defunct years ago. I don't know why albums like Watch the Throne, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, Yeezus, The Blueprint 3 still have the label.  11Block  | talk  20:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Message from Billboard about (not) charting
This may come into play once released and chart information (or lack thereof) starts rolling in: Letter From The Editor: What Jay-Z's 'Magna Carta' Means For The Billboard 200 Chart - eo (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The same situation for the UK Album's Chart (in accordance with the Official Charts Company). —JennKR | ☎ 15:43, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Crown
Lyrics to a song called "Crown" were released on 07/02/2013 via the Magna Carta Holy Grail Samsung App. It should be included in the track listing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.118.114 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 2 July 2013

Official Tracklist on itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/de/album/beach-is-better/id669458187?i=669458375 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.228.142 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 4 July 2013

New Album Cover Update Please?
http://lifeandtimes.com/jay-z-magna-carta-holy-grail-album-cover Please update the album cover on the Article to the correct one. --AucksIsMyTown (talk) 12:33, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for this! —JennKR | ☎ 13:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Stylization
Both the articles from Roc Nation and lifeandtimes.com have shown the album title to be stylized as Magna Carta... Holy Grail (with an ellipsis). I guess this is a recent decision, so I've updated the page accordingly. Thanks. —JennKR | ☎ 16:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Album doesn't have ANY ellipses according to literally all sources INCLUDING Jay's website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.188.37 (talk • contribs) 05:55, 4 July 2013
 * Can you sign your comments with four tildes (~) please? (So


 * The thing is in reliable sources the album is almost universal listed as just "Magna Carta Holy Grail". According to Jay-Z's official site they are using the ellipsis but we shall see what more countries iTunes and Amazon list it as.  STATic  message me!  06:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Jay-Z's official website does use the ellipsis; where does it not? Although, I do agree to keep an eye on the sources in the next few days to see whether it should be changed back. As I said in my edit summary, it seems like a recent decision taken by Jay-Z, as it was only him (through lifeandtimes.com) and Roc Nation that began to establish this as of yesterday. —JennKR | ☎ 11:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * US iTunes and UK Amazon use the ellipsis also. —JennKR | ☎ 11:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Samples - Crown
Track 8 samples Sizzla - Solid As A Rock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:980:45e4:1:a8db:f035:e141:3f1d (talk • contribs) 14:18, 4 July 2013

Features
BBC (featuring Nas — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.130.174 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 4 July 2013, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, Swizz Beats, Pharrell & Timbaland) — Preceding unsigned comment added by O0tenaciousc  (talk • contribs) 17:03, 4 July 2013
 * Although they do feature, they do so without credit, as in, their vocals are not officially declared as featured. There is a note explaining this, however. Thanks! —JennKR | ☎ 18:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * PS: Please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~) so we know who you are :)
 * Well, they're credited as featured artists on songs lyrics on album's official app and website. I dunno, it could be just an iTunes error. Anyway we should wait till we see the album's booklet. SrGangsta (talk) 18:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's strange also (that he included featuring on the lyrics sheet but not on the tracklist). They will be most likely included in the credits, but even so, they aren't track-listed (well, I haven't seen so anywhere). —JennKR | ☎ 19:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 July 2013
Please change "BBC" contains a sample of "Feel So Good" by Mase to "BBC" lyrically samples "Feel So Good" by Mase because there is no instrumental sample included in BBC, just a revised lyrical line from "Feel So Good" in the first line of the second verse of BBC. (Also, other songs from the Magna Carta album which only include lyrical samples are denoted, so for consistency as well I am requesting this change) - in addition, the other samples which are noted as lyrically sampling another song say "xxx lyrically samples of..."; these should be changed to the syntax in my edit, removing the "of", as this is not correct English.

O0tenaciousc (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ —JennKR | ☎ 18:26, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Could the sample for the song "Jay Z Blue" be added. On the download from the Samsung app, the comments to the song Credits "My Downfall" by The Notorious B.I.G. as a credit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.106.202 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 4 July 2013

Edit request on 5 July 2013
change 12th century with 11th

Looka0 (talk) 08:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅  STATic  message me!  08:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

"Positive" reception
The album's actually receiving pretty weak reviews from high profile sites (pitchfork, slant, spin, guardian) and the metacritic score is pretty low too, are we sure this is "positive" reception? seems like it should be "mixed" instead. 66.31.47.232 (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Agreed. Looking at other albums with a similar score, I'd say "mixed to positive". If it dips below 60, I think it should be declared as mixed. —JennKR | ☎ 10:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Def Jam?
I'm aware that various perfectly reliable sources state that the album was released on Virgin EMI in the United Kingdom. However, having actually received a copy of the album for my birthday (lucky me!) the sticker on the back of the album and the booklet clearly state that the album was "manufactured by The Island Def Jam Music Group", with no mention of Virgin EMI on the packaging. So who is right? I Am Rufus  &bull;  Conversation is a beautiful thing.  12:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed that too as it also says that on the back of US version of the album. However, it seems the album was "manufactured by Island Def Jam" not released by the label. Does the UK version also include the Roc-A-Fella and Roc Nation logos on the back? If it does then those labels need to be added to the release history entry.  STATic  message me!  13:04, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does. I Am Rufus   &bull;  Conversation is a beautiful thing.  13:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I believe Def Jam did not release the album, and it is a possibility The Independent lifted the label info from either Amazon (not always a reliable source) or us. On the back does it also mention "Universal Music Distribution", or anything else?  STATic  message me!  14:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no mention of Universal anywhere on the packaging: the full label information, on both the sticker and the back, says "Marketed by Roc Nation LLC. Manufactured by The Island Def Jam Music Group." There are, as stated, Roc-A-Fella and Roc Nation stickers on the back, but that's the only label information at all. For comparison, I looked at the information on the packaging for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, an album we have listed on here as being released via Def Jam: it reads "2010 Roc-A-Fella Records, LLC. Manufactured and Marketed by The Island Def Jam Music Group, a division of UMG Recordings, Inc". The common word is "manufactured": seeing as one of a major label's roles is to actually physically make the albums and send the album out to retailers (i.e. a "distributor", another word sometimes used here to describe the major label behind the album) then why could we not say that Def Jam distributed the album, if only in the United Kingdom? It presumably refers to Universal on your packaging. I Am Rufus   &bull;  Conversation is a beautiful thing.  15:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have both of those CDs. For MCHG comparison the US version also has the "manufactured by Island Def Jam" but it also says "distributed by Universal Music Distribution" or something to that nature on the back cover. I also know that MBDTF has Def Jam mentioned in the album liner notes. I do not think Def Jam physically distributed MCHG as it is well known Universal distributed it in the US and many other countrys so I am unsure why the UK would be any different. Maybe Def Jam physically made the CD and the casing and such? That is what it seems to be.  STATic  message me!  18:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston (talk) 02:19, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Magna Carta... Holy Grail → Magna Carta Holy Grail – Where are we getting these ellipses? My first thought was some sort of official name or stylization, but I don't see them on the album's official site. I see mixed usage from Rolling Stone and the ellipses on iTunes, but most reliable sources seem to be omitting them, including Time, Billboard, Pitchfork, EW, the LA Times, NY Daily News, and the NY Times. And from a quick scan of the sources on the page, it looks like only the chart listings are using the ellipses form (though again, not Billboard). Let's follow the majority usage in reliable sources, which anyway results in a more natural-looking title. --BDD (talk) 00:58, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose Jay-Z's official site (Life+Times) and Roc Nation's site write it as "Magna Carta... Holy Grail"., , 2Flows (talk) 06:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose' per 2Flows' explanation - this is the official stylization that Jay Z chose (and which iTunes uses); the reason I believe many of the reviews omit it is because this stylization was only revealed shortly before the release (around 24 hours before), so I guess many publications assumed it was written how it was announced. Regards. —JennKR | ☎ 07:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Move. The reliable sources tend to avoid them. "Official" names don't trump that, especially when the use is inconsistent.--Cúchullain t/ c 15:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support move per nom and Cúchullain. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 07:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

platinum
can anyone put in a line regarding the platinum certification because of the samsung release as it is really unusual for albums to be certified platinum on the day of their release as this time. i know it mentions the certification in the intro but that is kinda vague120.59.47.247 (talk) 05:41, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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