Talk:Mahākāśyapa/GA1

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Reviewer: Vami IV (talk · contribs) 09:00, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

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Review of this absolute unit will begin once I have slept :). — ♠Vami _IV†♠  09:00, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

&lt;!--110--&gt; Is causing all your hidden notes to appear in the article prose. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  14:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm experiences errors of the edit conflict function for a while now. Not sure why. Removed errors from the article now.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 16:27, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Article size
At 127k+ bytes total size and 64 gB at the time of writing this, this article is frankly massive. Mahakasyapa is a big deal of course, and that will to some extent waiver size regulations, but those regulations are still in place, and I will be making suggestions that will reduce the size of the article. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  11:11, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Noted, I understand.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Lead

 * but also a "guarantor of future justice" in the time of Maitreya Could you emphasize here that Maitreya is the coming Buddha? Coming back to Buddhist topics and then reading on from here, this confused me a bit.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Having grown weary of the agricultural profession I thought brahmin were priest?
 * It was a priest caste, but they had various occupations.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Having now read the relevant portion of article, I now think some rewording of this sentence is in order. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  11:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have appended caste to brahmin twice. Will that do?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 11:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I meant of the sentence itself, since our protagonists were overseeing that agricultural work, but this will work. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  13:00, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * the historical validity Shrink to "historicity".
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * This further amplified the idea of him being the primary heir and eldest son of the Buddha, which came to be symbolized by the robe Mahākāśyapa had received. This sentence is a little redundant.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * in a next age. Redundant.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * How much can you condense paragraph three?
 * Wouldn't it be better for the quality of the article to condense the body of the text instead?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, yes. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  11:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Gautama Buddha with the next Buddha Maitreya Remove "the next". It's redundant, as the reader by now understands that Meitreya is the next Buddha.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Mahākāśyapa was born as Pippali Boldface "Pippali", since it's Mahakasyapa's birth name, and we'll be seeing it a lot.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

In early Buddhist texts

 * a dozen discourses attributed to Mahākāśyapa have been compiled in a separate section. This is the first mention of any sections of Buddhist text.
 * Fixed.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 11:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * In the Pāli tradition Isnt' there something this can link to?
 * Done.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 11:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)


 * and in the Chinese Buddhist texts, Move this "the" to in Tibetan language.
 * Done.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 11:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Early life

 * Magadha Add "in the kingdom of".
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 23:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Although the two agreed to marry, they decided to live celibately, according to both versions of the story. Pippali's parents continued to push them to give up their shared celibacy, but to no avail. Consider: "Both versions agree that the two agreed to marry and to live celibately, to the chagrin of Pippali's parents."
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 23:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Pippali is depicted in the texts Which texts exactly?
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 23:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Shortly after that,[note 2] Pippali met the Buddha, was struck with devotion when seeing him, recognized him as a teacher, and was ordained under him. Thenceforth, he was called Kāśyapa.[19] Condense.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 23:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Citation [19] should be an efn and contain in-line citations.
 * ✅, I think.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 23:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Shortly after that,[note 2] Move to the start of "Meeting the Buddha".
 * ✅ and sorry.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Monastic life

 * The Buddha exhorted Mahākāśyapa that he should practice himself "for the welfare and happiness of the multitude" and impressed upon him that he should take upon himself ascetic practices (Sanskrit: dhūtaguṇa, Pali: dhutaṅga). This is where I would have begun "Monastic life".
 * . I've created a new section Meeting the Buddha, and rearranged some paragraphs. I hope this helps.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * He also argued he could be an example for next generations of practitioners Change "next" to "incoming".
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The last paragraph of "Monastic life" does not feel as though it belongs under this section. Rather, at a glance, I think it'd be better under "Teacher and mentor".
 * I don't know, there is a lot about being a good monk, and it's more about being a good student than being a good teacher. Do you think "Monk's life" would be better?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm. A section for his influence on Buddhist monastic rule would be warranted, if you think so. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  12:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No, that's not what I meant. Just trying to find a good heading to cover the contents.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah. "Monastic life" will suffice as a title, I think. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  13:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * but Mahākāśyapa preferred to sit in a respectful manner instead. Shorten; "but Mahākāśyapa politely declined."
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * This helped him to recover. Superfluous, remove.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:16, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Robe talk

 * All of this robe-talk should be condensed and moved into an efn. At its size, it's rather out of place, and obstructive to the narrative. "Monastic life" feels more like "Robe".
 * a great deal.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * "The mutual recognition between master and disciple is immediate and intimate."[20] Remove.
 * . You don't like it?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No, it's just that it's already stated in the lead. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  12:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The exchange came to be seen as a gesture of great respect the Buddha had made,[22] which was unprecedented, and a sign that Mahākāśyapa would preside over the First Council after the Buddha's demise.[23] Long and kind of unwieldy at the beginning.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Early and later texts from different traditions leave the impression that only a person with the great merit as Mahākāśyapa would be able to wear the robe. Ditto.
 * . Simplified the language.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The only reason the robe was highly valuable was that it had been worn by the Buddha, even though it had been obtained from what was considered the lowest source, that is, a female slave discarded in a charnel ground. Too long.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Also, did the Buddha take the robe off a corpse?
 * Yes, explained now.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * and in the early texts, the robe came from a corpse. Oh.


 * The exchange also echoed a similar exchange Change to "This also echoed an earlier exchange".
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * an association that has also been found in the fieldwork of anthropologist François Bizot, done in Cambodian temples. Condense.
 * -- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * (1902–1969) Remove.
 * ✅ already.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Relation with Ānanda

 * Again, the first paragraph does not really belong in this section; only the last sentence has anything to do with our old friend Ānanda. Start again, introduce Ānanda, and then roll into his rivalry with Mahākāśyapa.
 * , I hope.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * He gave the example of two of them, who were in the habit of using Buddhist teachings to determine who knew the best, and quarrel as a result. Condense.
 * Already .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Karaluvinna hypothesizes Who's Karaluvinna?
 * -- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * According to Indologist Oskar von Hinüber, Ānanda's pro-bhikṣunī attitude may well be the reason why there was frequent dispute between Ānanda and Mahākāśyapa, eventually leading Mahākāśyapa to charge Ānanda with several offenses during the First Buddhist Council, and possibly leading to two factions in the saṃgha. Loooong.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Scholar of religion Reginald Ray raises the question whether more can be read in the disputes between Ānanda and his bhikṣunī followers on the one hand, and Mahākāśyapa on the other hand. He hypothesizes that Ānanda and the bhikṣunīs may represent established monasticism, and Mahākāśyapa represents forest renunciant movements. This is kind of a weird take by my (limited) understanding, as Ānanda was breaking new ground in letting women join the sangha.
 * Indeed, not mainstream opinion. .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)


 * (1918–1981) Remove.
 * It shows the chronology and context in which each scholar thought and analyzed. Some scholars further down the article are 19th-century scholars.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 21:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Take 2

 * Mahākāśyapa and Ānanda Needs a link to our old friend Ānanda.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Mahākassapa Links to this article and is of inconsistent spelling.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * and possibly caused two factions in the saṃgha to emerge. Who/what were these factions?
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Teacher and mentor

 * The images in this section should switch sides.
 * You mean: swap?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No, the first image should be on the right and the second on the left.
 * But that would not match with the directions the images face.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 06:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh snap, you're right. In that case, do both things. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  13:29, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * capacity to instill faith to lay people in lay people.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Religion scholar Shayne Full name?
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Since they have done much good karma, and since Buddhists believe in an afterlife in which this karma gives fruit, he argued, why not go there straight away? Little much. I'd remove this outright, but maybe it'd be better to just condense this.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * he was not popular, especially not among bhikṣunīs. The second "not" makes this a double-negative, and is redundant.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * This caused him to gradually withdraw from teaching, Anālayo argues. A similar monk called Bakkula completely withdrew from teaching for similar reasons, which led him to emphasize ascetic values even more than Mahākāśyapa, to compensate and still be worthy of support from lay people. As this is from the same source, I think this can be condensed without too much hassle.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * selfish arahants Italicize "arahant".
 * Already .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * She was regularly targeted for rape her fellow ascetics by her fellow ascetics.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * coming from monks (the Group of Six) Consider "from a group of monks called the Group of Six".
 * Good, and ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * and the bhikṣunī Sthūlanandā Already introduced.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * poems though Comma needed between these two.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * At another occasion, Śāriputra consulted him about developing effort in the practice of Buddhist teachings. Reads oddly; feels like "effort" should be plural.
 * Okay, and ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 22:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Final respects to the Buddha

 * Move the link and explanation of parinirvāṇa to Mahākāśyapa learnt about the Buddha's parinirvāṇa
 * Done.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 06:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * light the funeral pyre I assume the Buddha's funeral pyre.
 * Fixed.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 06:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * to the Buddha's feet at the Buddha's feet.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 06:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * inserted by authors of monastic discipline in three layers (in the fifth, fourth and third centuries BCE) to Consider "inserted by authors of monastic discipline over the fifth, fourth, and third centuries BCE to [...]"
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 06:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Mahākāśyapa did not need to travel for seven days. He could have travelled from Pāva to Kuśinagara in a few hours, and the delay in lighting the pyre was unnecessary. Condense.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 06:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Not quite what I had in mind, though I realize much more here could be abbreviated and clarified since the source is the same Bareau. Consider: Bareau reasoned that Mahākāśyapa did not attend the Buddha's cremation in the original text, and that Mahākāśyapa could have taken a route of just a few hours via Pāva to Kuśinagara.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * the story of the delay and Mahākāśyapa and of Mahākāśyapa
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 06:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

First Buddhist Council and death

 * Move the image in "Narratives" to the right, so the text is directly beneath the header.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Mahākāśyapa was reportedly hundred twenty years old 120 years old. Numbers larger than nine must be numerals.
 * ✅. Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * the number of disciples that had once witnessed the Buddha teaching or that had attained enlightenment were becoming less. Condense.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Some monks, among which a monk called Subhadra Consider "among them a monk [...]"
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * and he attempted successfully to stop his fellow disciples from leaving the world. "attempted" and "successfully" should switch places.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * He then set up the First Buddhist Council,[5][92] to record the Buddhist discourses and details of the monastic discipline and thereby prevent them from becoming corrupted.[95][96] Re-arrange.
 * How do you mean?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Consider: To record the Buddha's discourses and preserve monastic discipline,[94][95] Mahākāśyapa set up the First Buddhist Council.[5][91] – ♠Vami _IV†♠  19:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Mahākāśyapa called upon Ānanda Excellent time to mention that our old friend was famed for his memory, especially considering that Mahākāśyapa was not fond of him.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm. Try with a Footnote. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  19:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 10:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


 * in contrast with the rest of the council, Redundant. Just to note it, I am aware that the removal of this text will necessitate the rewriting of a good chunk of the paragraph.
 * , though not sure what good chunk can mean.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Mahākāśyapa asked of each discourse that Ānanda listed where, when, and to whom it was given,[44][107] and at the end of this, the assembly agreed that Ānanda's memories and recitations were correct,[108] after which the discourse collection (Sanskrit: Sūtra Piṭaka, Pali: Sutta Piṭaka) was considered finalized and closed.[106] Too long. I recommend splitting this into two sentences at and to whom it was given, and axing the following "and".
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Footnote 8 is entirely redundant.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * reported about a Axe "about".
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * close disciples Śāriputra and Maudgalyāyana Link Maudgalyāyana
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * In the Early Buddhist Texts, Mahākāśyapa's death is not discussed. This is discussed in post-canonical texts, however. The section title should not have "and death" in it, then.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

In post-canonical texts

 * As it is a text, the Five Masters of the Dharma should be italicized.
 * My mistake. This was incorrectly written. .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Mahākassapa Mahākāśyapa
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The commentary to the Dīgha Nikāya (fifth century) Consider "to the fifth century Dīgha Nikāya"; is that century AD (CE) or BC(E)?
 * . It can never be fifth-century BCE, because that would be during the Buddha's life.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * now divide in eight portions. divided
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * by asking the families who had preserved them "asking" meaning "requested"?
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * the whole operation was done in secrecy If this be so, why mention it so late?
 * It is an interpretation of what happened. I relate the story first, then the interpretations of it.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * numerous Chinese translations in the Chinese Buddhist Canon Abbreviate.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Later, emperor Aśoka would also visit the mountain. This happened when the monk Upagupta led Aśoka to visit the stūpa of the Buddha's disciples. The Emperor visited the mountain with Upagupta?
 * , I think.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The final paragraph of "Accounts" needs some adjusting. People in Maitreya Buddha's time are much taller than during the time of Gautama Buddha. comes out of nowhere.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Try combining People in Maitreya Buddha's time are much taller than during the time of Gautama Buddha. and the next sentence, which directly deals with this size. Like: In one text, Maitreya Buddha's disciples are contemptuous of Mahākāśyapa, as he is much smaller than people of Maitreya Buddha's time.
 * I have fixed it with adding adverbs. Does that help?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 19:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


 * The past-tense language is also odd, as Maitreya lies in the future.
 * Which sentence exactly?-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "Accounts" in "Awaiting Maitreya", but I can't think of anything that would be better, so I've retracted this bullet-point. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  17:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


 * with depictions of Mahākāśyapa Replace "with" with "featuring".
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * influenced by Indo-Greeks and Persians the Indo-Greeks and Persians
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * which Saddhatissa dates to the twelfth century Assuming 12th century AD(CE)
 * Yes, because before the Buddha's time would make no sense.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * in Siamese, Northern Thai and Laotian language. the Siamese, Northern Thai and Laotian languages.
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * There is a bit of WP:SANDWICH going on in "In Chan Buddhism".
 * .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Move one or two of the images through this section to the left.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Legacy

 * However, some Pāli sources indicate that Mahākāśyapa was part of the lineage of the Aṅguttara Nikāya reciters, which is another collection than the Saṃyutta. Reword.
 * ✅.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 12:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Referencing

 * At the moment of writing this, Citations [28], [80], [123], [139], [157], [160], [179], [203], [205], [210] don't point to a reference; theirs are missing. The references "Franke 1908", "Kumamoto 2002", "Swearer 2010", and "Sujato & Brahmali 2015" have no references pointing to them. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  17:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * [28], [80], [123], [139], [157], [160], [179], [203], [205], [210]. Orphanized references are therefore fixed.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 13:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * References themselves
 * Is the Deutsche Morgenländischen Gesellschaft in "Oldenburg 1899" the Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft?
 * It is, good catch! .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 13:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

GA progress
Sorry for being a bit slow in response here, not used to being in semi-quarantaine. Oddly, it makes me less active on Wiki, for some reason.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 23:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I've addressed all the questions.-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 07:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Back to you, .-- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 13:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Farang Rak Tham   (Talk) 08:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)