Talk:Mahmoud Charr

Very poorly written.
The article was written in very poor English. I have cleaned it up and hope that it stays sufficient enough to stay on Wikipedia. 92.7.88.181 (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

What happened?
I created this article not too long ago and an IP has removed sourced info and replaced it with a load of POV and unsourced 'facts'. I've reverted partially but it still needs work. Zarcadia (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

No Vitali fight confirmed
http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/157687.html 92.7.94.39 (talk) 16:23, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Place of birth
Is his place of birth really Homs, Syria? His own website lists Beirut, Lebanon... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.245.75.58 (talk) 12:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Not German; Lebanese
Charr is not German, the Spiegel writes: http://www.spiegel.de/sport/sonst/boxen-weltmeister-manuel-charr-der-erbe-von-max-schmeling-a-1180346.html

Quote: "Charr hat trotz lange gestelltem Einbürgerungsantrag noch gar keinen deutschen Pass." I.e. he applied for citizenship a long time ago, but he doesn't have German citizenship yet.

Nationality should therefore be changed to Lebanese. 92.229.101.152 (talk) 11:26, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

http://www.sport1.de/kampfsport/boxen/2017/11/boxen-weltmeister-manuel-charr-hat-keinen-deutschen-pass — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragomego (talk • contribs) 13:39, 30 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't know if he's Lebanese, but it seems clear that he is not a German citizen. See also: https://www.express.de/sport/sportmix/express-besuch-vom-box-weltmeister-manuel-charr---ich-verteidige-meinen-titel-in-koeln--28980640 --SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 07:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Charr has denied these reports and his lawyers denied he gave a statement to the express source above see here also he showed his "German driver's license, bank and ADAC card to the camera" and "There is no doubt" he is a citizen according to this source. Naue7 (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * None of those documents are proof of German citizenship. The Express story above is more recent than the Bild article. The lawyers denied a different statement from a previous article. The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung headline sums up the situation: "Is boxing champion Charr really German?" Until his citizenship has been clarified I think we should leave it out of the article or explain that there are conflicting reports.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)


 * It is called "Is boxing champion Charr really German?" because of the false reports and the answer to the question in the article is yes. I thought that was the other express article but your one just says he wants to defend his title as a German citizen in Cologne next. It is clarified as when asked if he has a German passport he tells BILD "Yes, I swear it."  Naue7 (talk) 23:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your interpretation of the FAZ article. It does not answer the question, it only presents several inconsistent statements from Charr. How do we know which reports are false and which are not? The Express article quotes him as saying he didn't want to deceive his fans and that he'll try to get the passport and hopes to have it in March.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 00:53, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Essen shooting
The shooter was a longterm friend of al-Charr, beeing trained as a boxer by a cousin of him. Both are part of the lebanese clan in Essen. Please find the links in the german WP, Diskussion https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskussion:Manuel_Charr#Anschlag_auf_Charr Peakduvet (talk) 07:30, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Name change
As a recent editor pointed out, Charr changed his name from Manuel back to his birth name, Mahmoud, in April 2019. Media outlets have since followed suit as seen in these links. The name change falls inline with WP:NAMECHANGES. – 2 . O . Boxing  02:21, 9 March 2020 (UTC)