Talk:Main Page/Archive 70

May 23: Henrik Ibsen died 100 years ago
The death of Henrik Ibsen in 1906 (100 years ago today) should be on the main page (edit). Some admin need to help. This is a major celebration. Pommem 05:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * we all know that his writings are sometimes dreary and depressing, but that's no call to go celebrating his death! --maru  (talk)  contribs 05:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's rather the playwright that is celebrated. Pommem 06:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Pommem meant the death is "commemorated" today on the 100th anniversary, while we "celebrate" Ibsen's life and work. Anyway, it's posted now. Please consider mentioning some of the commemoration activities on Ibsen's wikiarticle. -- PFHLai 06:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Table of Contents not showing on some pages?
The TOC seems to be not showing on the main and some other articles (XP/IE6, tried Opera, logging out, and non-monobook skin as well)... of course, it is late so I may be going insane, plus adding works for me though... RN 08:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

If it's on this talk page then it is probably because someone has vandalized it. It usuallly happens but the page will other wise be reseted. Kits umiti

interesting


 * There is no TOC on the main page. Most articles don't have TOCs. You can change it in your preferences, though. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 22:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Lordi
Is it just me, or has the "Monster rock band Lordi earns Finland's first ever victory in the Eurovision Song Contest." news been on the front page too long? It just doesn't seem very important, relevant or interesting. Is there a reason this is still on the front when breaking news of disasters, politics, etc. isn't? Bordello 20:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It has worldwide, or at least Europe-wide, relevance, unlike political events (generally). Eurovision is, unfortunately, a big deal. Besides, it hasn't been there for more than a day or so. — Cuivi é  nen T, Monday, 22 May 2006 @ 22:16 UTC
 * Ok, now it's definitely been here for more than a day. Seen it, done that. I feel we're playing demographic at this point (i.e. people on wikipedia care more about this than most of the population.) There is more pressing news, isn't there? No? It's a shame if a list of headliners-- namely the UN Health Agency leader's death, or China forbidding Iran to develop nukes, details about Iraq's establishing gov.-- slow news day maybe? It could just be my narrow opinion, but the concert was mediocre and doesn't affect the masses much beyond how it distracts or entertains them. Bordello 09:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In the news (ITN) is not a 'news site', but a section on Wikipedia's MainPage to feature wikiarticles updated with recent news. (The bolded link connects to that updated page.) To propose new items for ITN, please go to In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. If you want to read/write about news and current events, please go to Current events or Wikinews. Thanks. -- PFHLai 10:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Right. I have nominated some suggestions (ok, maybe just one-- the release of a Pentagon plane crash tape) for ITN. I just don't like how Lordi gets precedence over global politics, etc., though. Call it a poor bias. Thanks kindly for your response; it did clear some things up for me. Bordello 10:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Bordello, welcome to wikipedia, the free encyclopedia where anyone can make suggestions and have them shot down by the established hacks. -- J o  h  n  O  16:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, the point is that Wikipedia does not have a full-time news "staff" devoted to putting up fresh items every single morning. We're all volunteers. So those wishing to see something different should volunteer to get off their ass and help things out by adding things (preferably updating article as well) to ITN. I only just yesterday noticed there had been no item about Barbaro and the Preakness, which is why it did not make the main page. Well, if I had thought of it at the time, I should have added it to ITN. --Dhartung | Talk 17:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The relevance of Lordi is that they won with the only non sweet & sickly pop song in the competitions history. For years, "real" music aficionados in my county (UK, where popular/rock music is superior), have been puking at the contents of the competition. Now, At last, an act with some balls has been voted (and it's the voting that is relevant here) winner. All hail Lordi! etc etc. Let's hope this result changes a previously awful competition into something a little more musically competent (some hope). The relevance of this event is of particular cultural interest, and as such is important enough to have made the front page for a day or two. OLD NOW THOUGH! (The band are a bunch of sofyies really)(Sasquatchuk 16:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

Wikispecies
The link at the bottem still links to the old URL. It's now species.wikimedia.org. American Patriot 1776 10:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently this is not an issue. See the discussion at the Pump for an explanation. - BanyanTree 18:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

i need to know!
This page is very hard to figure out who made this web site i need to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.204.41.2 (talk • contribs)
 * If you want to know how Wikipedia is written, please see the Wikipedia article. If you need an author for a citation, please see Citing Wikipedia, though you should read Researching with Wikipedia to figure out if you really want a Wikipedia citation. - BanyanTree 13:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Long Live Joan of Arc!
I think she is one of the best things that happened to the French people even though she did get captured because she inspired a lot of people, even the French Canadians (like me.) But what do you think of her? Do you think she did the right thing?:-- Kits umiti


 * There are a lot of mysteries about Joan of Arc...was she crazy? was she genetically a man? was she actually divinely inspired? The controversy that surrounds this enigmatic historical figure often outshines her actual deeds.  During the Dark Ages, "right" and "wrong" were relative terms.  I would not go so far as to say that she did the "right" thing, but she did help to drive the English out of France and establish a French national identity, which had profound effects on the later course of history.  Sadly, her legacy is most likely tied directly to her gender.  Had she been a man, she would never have had a main page article about her.  However, she is undeniably an important woman in history.  Historical perspectives aside, though, I love any historical figure who affected the future as much as she did...anyone who, through words or deeds, made the world what it is today (okay, except maybe Hitler, although admittedly nobody could envision a world without him)  my verdict: LONG LIVE JOAN OF ARC!Dave 17:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, though it is very sad about the rumours of her and her gender in question. I doubt that there was anything wrong with her and the English must have started those rumours because of their anger towards her. Kits umiti
 * The rumor about she was a man make me think about this one who said that Elodie Gossuin was a man. It went so far that she had to proove it that she hadn't any esthetic surgery. The hoax came from internet and the guy now have big problems with justice. I really hope it will be the same for the Jeanne d'arc diffamer because it is really a calamity I think. --Meithal 20:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I read a very cool book about Joan of Arc by Mark Twain. Most people don't realize that he wrote a history and considered it one of his finest works. Michael

Wikisource
Wikisource has a new logo. Could you please change this. Thanks. --217.233.161.218 14:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The image on the front of has not changed.  The new image at Image:Wikisource-nt.png appears to be used in their version of the Signpost and has not yet been adopted for the project as whole, as far as I can tell. Note image disagreement in the history of the Wikisource article.  - BanyanTree 15:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the old one better. Phr (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm an admin at the English Wikisource & can confirm that the logo hasn't changed. There has been a lot of debate & discussion on the possibility of changing the logo, which you can read here but nothing has been decided. We do have a new logo for wikisource news, our version of your signpost, at S:Wikisource:News but this isn't replacing the overall wikisource logo. AllanHainey 07:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The german Wikisource is the only project that has made the changed yet. But the logo will soon be changed for all the Wikisource projects. /81.227.164.97 09:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Anonymous user, could you please provide verification for that assertion, say a link to where a new wikisource logo was selected, as as far as I and anyone else at the English wikisource knows no project-wide decision has been made, as can be seen from my link to the discussions. AllanHainey 12:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * In the Wikisource Scriptorium Jimbo Wales said that the new version should be used on all Wikisource projects without delay. /81.227.164.97 12:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * So now this is a dictatorship, not an anarchy that decides things by concensus? Skittle 09:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL! But I like the new logo better as well. --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 22:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

ST Cyril and Methodius
This holiday is not celebrated only in Bulgaria, but in Russia and Macedonia too. So please, do change it right away, as I find this rather offending. And I am writing this here and not on the article's discussion page since this is a featured article in the "on this day" section - found on the main page. It's really not human how you make some cultures great (bulgarians), and some worthless (every other slavic nation who has its alphabet in cyrillic). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.162.189.143 (talk • contribs).
 * The item has been fixed to list Macedonia, because that is in the article. Russia is not; if you have information to add to the article, it will be welcomed. The editors involved in selecting the holidays to list have a very long list to choose from every single day, and the front page is only a partial representation of the available items. There was probably no reason other than space or editorial time that only Bulgaria was listed. --Dhartung | Talk 17:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please disambiguate Macedonia. -- 64.229.207.142 20:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * User:62.162.189.143, this is a wiki. I find it rather offending that you chose to complain here and accuse people of being "not human", instead of sharing your knowledge and help improve pages such as Public holidays in the Republic of Macedonia and Public holidays in Russia. Saints Cyril and Methodius Day is not listed on either pages.  --64.229.207.142 20:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that person meant to say "Not Humane"...but that doesnt make any sense either. Regardless, it's not appropriate to lash out at the author of the blurb on the main page and assume that he or she was trying to stifle slavic culture by pursuing a pro-Bulgarian agenda.  Please don't assume that every article is biased or that Wikipedia is attempting to make some cultures seem 'great' and others 'worthless'.  I could understand that sort of vitriolic comment if it had said "The holiday of St. Cyril and Methodius is celebrated in awesome and beautiful Bulgaria where everyone is perfect, but not in Russia or Macedonia where people eat babies and live in yurts made of rotting corn husks".  I guess I'm just trying to say that nobody meant to offend anyone in the first place, so there's no reason to take offense.  Please try to remember this in the future.Antimatter 00:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This might be a good time to mention Assume good faith. -- Laura S  |  talk to me  14:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And Civility. -- 199.71.174.100 05:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Victoria Day
I don't see a mention of Victoria Day. Did I miss it on the 22nd? It is a stat holiday here in Canada. It's on the Monday closest to the 24th of May, Queen Victoria's birthday. I would think it's a holdiay in other Commonwealth countries too.


 * It was mentioned on the appropriate day. Perhaps you looked in after about 10:00EDT on that day and saw "tomorrows" page becuase of the time offset?  According to the article, Victoria Day is celebrated only in Canada. Resolute 02:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

referendum figures
it is unclear whether "55.5% support out of an 86.3% voter turnout" means "55.5% yes, 30.8% no, 13.7% abstain" or "47.9% yes, 38.4% no, 13.7% abstain", please clarify (the intended meaning appears to be "55% of a 86.3% turnout". taking percentages of percentages may be confusing.). dab (&#5839;) 21:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Turnout is ignored. (This is usually the case in plebiscites.) Only people who voted are considered, so the 55% threshold was reached. — Cuivi é  nen T, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 @ 21:48 UTC
 * yes, my point is that it is wrong to say "55% out of 86%" in this case, it should be "55% of 86%". dab (&#5839;) 10:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the actual news is false and essentially incorrect. Those are only preliminary estimated results. The final results will be known by the end of this week. These news say as if the referendum passed... --HolyRomanEmperor 11:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposal to change format of the FA box on the mainpage
Please comment on the proposal at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article.--Pharos 00:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Minor fix needed for the news section

 * Moved to Main Page/Errors. -- 06:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

East Timor Crisis
This current event should be on the news page, Australia has just sent troops to stabilise the country. http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/australian-troops-arrive-in-dili/2006/05/25/1148524807943.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suicup (talk • contribs) 08:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC).


 * This is currently being discussed on In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. --199.71.174.100 10:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's already on the news page: Current events. There since yesterday.... -- 199.71.174.100 10:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Ascension Thursday
The quantity of information boxes in the article ( Ascension ) linked to in On This Day are somewhat off-putting; one of them seems to float over one of the sections. Sadly I have no idea how to fix them, but maybe someone else does? Inner Earth 10:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you should complain at Talk:Ascension. -- 199.71.174.100 14:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Request image change in Template:In the News
Hi,

The "In the News" template currently has India's flag as the picture. I think that since now there are more relevant pictures like Image:Dharnaeithflag.jpg, the flag can be substituted. Thanks, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalized!
This article has been vandalized:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_dance Please revert it to it's original form. Thank you and best regards, :-- Kits umiti
 * Perhaps you should complain at Talk:Electronic dance instead of here. -- 199.71.174.100 18:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Two things: 1. you can do it yourself. See WP:REVERT for more info. 2. you mean "its", not "it's". --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 22:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Towel Day
Today is Towel Day. Is it possible to mention that in On this day...? Thanks. BethEnd 15:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Not likely.--&#5024;&#5090;   4  62090 Contribs  15:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Kitsumiti
Can someone please get rid of the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsumiti as it is about me and I wish to keep my privacy. Thank you and best regards, Kits umiti
 * Perhaps you should complain at Talk:Kitsumiti instead of here. -- 199.71.174.100 18:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * already done. but not by me! --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 22:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Tiger
That tiger is yawning, not roaring. - Torgo 07:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Either yawning or roaring, that's not a good picture for the current DYK items. --199.71.174.100 08:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Most frequently viewed and edited articles on Wikipedia?
Does anyone know how to get a (real-time?) list of the articles that are most frequently viewed and edited on Wikipedia? I've searched pretty hard on Google and Wikipedia but no luck so far.


 * Maybe the most edited, but not viewed, and not in real time.--&#5024;&#5090;   4  62090 Contribs  17:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does not collect statistics ("hits") for page views, as doing so would put too much extra burden on the servers. However Special:Mostrevisions provides a list of the most edited articles.  -Aude ( talk | contribs ) 17:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested article
Vie de Jésus (Life of Jesus) by Ernest Renan. --EuroVelo 14:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably a better place to request that would be at Requested articles. -- Laura S  |  talk to me  18:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Japanese copyrights

 * 日本人ウィキペディアンのコメント, 漫画ページについて

*漫画やアニメなどの画像を載せるのは違法じゃないんですか？著作権者からの許可はもらっているのですか
 * Sorry this is the english language Wikipedia - can you address your question in english? If you are refering to the copyright of images on Wikipedia each image page has the copyright information on it. If you have a cncern with images on wikipedia that you own the copyright for you can address that issue on the image's discussion page. This may help: Image use policy --Monotonehell 01:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We should assume it's vandalism. Haizum 03:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * フェアユースというアメリカの法律で違法ではありません. それより難しいですが、私は日本語が忘れてしまってフェアユースを読めばいいんです. ほかの質問が残れば遠慮しないで日本語のウィキペディアのja:Wikipedia:コミュニティ・ポータルで聞きくのかLocal Embassyのユウザアを聞くのをやってみてください. - BanyanTree 04:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Naw, he was just asking why using images from manga and anime wasn't illegal. Hopefully I pointed him to the Japanese fair use article and some relevant places for further questions but my Japanese is so rusty I may have just asked if elephants tango at dawn. - BanyanTree 04:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL yes I got the jist of what was being asked. But I wasn't sure if they had a problem with something on an article or were asking a general policy/copyright question. --Monotonehell 07:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Vandalism? I've seen some strange comments, but that takes the cake. We're supposed to assume good faith, remember? --M1ss1ontom a rs2k4 (T 22:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Assume good faith" within reasonable limits. We can't even begin to read those posts. Haizum 07:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Clearly you are incorrect as "we" could. Users from other language editions of Wikipedia occasionally leave messages here and there's almost always a Wikipedian with the relevant language skills wandering by who can give them some advice.  - BanyanTree 19:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I can read it. Ashibaka tock 20:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case, someone else is assuming good faith while that right is being taken away from those that only speak native languages. What is this, California? Haizum 17:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * From WP:AGF:
 * So, when you can reasonably assume that something is a well-intentioned error, correct it without just reverting it or labeling it as vandalism.
 * It would be pretty silly vandalism to merely post a new, single-line bit in a talk page. Hence, we can reasonably assume it wasn't an edit made with malicious intent. — ceejayoz talk  22:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Vandalized Main Page
This user: 169.204.230.6 keeps on vandalizing the talk main page and taking away the navigational box which shows all the titles people have made. It is getting very annoying to the point in which I need to inform an Admin of this. I do not wish to keep on scrolling down the page looking for the subjects that I have written. I do not wish for anybody to be annoyed as much as I am. Please revert it to the way it was. If it already has been reverted before I post this please ignore my post. Thank you and best regards, Kits  umiti
 * He seems to have stopped after being warned, so no action looks necessary unless he returns. In future, reports like these should go on Administrator intervention against vandalism, though first the vandal should be warned with the appropriate test templates (anyone can do this, not just admins) and only after they continue past a final warning should they be reported for blocking. --Sam Blanning(talk) 19:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay thank you Mr.Blanning. I will keep that in mind! Thank you and best regards, Kits  umiti

Mbah
Since I noticed that none reply long ago written posts, I am noting here to make people pay attention. Please re-read about the referendum. --HolyRomanEmperor 22:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Pay attention to which referendum? --Monotonehell 01:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the Serbia and Montenegro referendum maybe?--BoyoJonesJr 14:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The only one in the news - the Montenegrin referendum (the news is incorrect, like can be seen in the corresponding pragraph on this talk page). --HolyRomanEmperor 14:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Try Template talk: In the news, or propose a rewrite on the ITN candidates page -- before this item gets displaced by more recent news. -- 64.229.207.64 16:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Dracorex Hogwartsia "did you know" not consistent with article
According to the corresponding article, the dinosaur called Dracorex Hogwartsia was not named for the Hungarian Horntail in Harry Potter (it says so just that explicitly), but was just inspired by the series in some more general way. I think an admin ought to remove this from the main page, or, since it is interesting, keep but rewrite the sentence. - Torgo 18:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * DYK has been "refreshed" a few hours ago. This item is no longer on the Main Page, otherwise, I would've moved this to Main Page/Errors. Admin response is usually quicker there. --199.71.174.100 21:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Error in Did You Know?
Danny Greene was Irish American, not Irish. Can someone amend this please? Twittenham 18:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * DYK has been "refreshed" a few hours ago. This item is no longer on the Main Page, otherwise, I would've moved this to Main Page/Errors. Admin response is usually quicker there. --199.71.174.100 21:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

All Portals

 * duplicate post, answered at Portal talk:Browse, -Quiddity 09:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Spelling error
In the feature article "The Norwegian Jarmann M1884", fireing should be firing. Lu Xun
 * Go to Main Page Errors. FellowWikip e dian 03:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Admins, don't go and check now. It's already fixed. -- 199.71.174.100 15:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

In other languages -box?
Why isn't it in the mainpage? It's in every other Wikipedias.


 * It grew too large for a box down the left side, so it's now a page width box down the bottom of the main page "Wikipedia languages". --Monotonehell 10:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Time to update the number of articles
Hey people, I thought that may be it is time to update the number of English Wikipedia articles...--Lord X 22:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)User:Xinyu
 * I thought the number on the Main Page updates itself. No ? --199.71.174.100 03:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the article count is a "live" count using the special command . It's as up to date as you can get. - dcljr (talk) 03:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Addition
Would somebody please add "and that number is expected to rise" for the indonesian earthquake blurb in the "in the news" section? I believe that this is to be expected. --Gus
 * Three reasons not to:
 * It goes without saying, yet ...
 * Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.
 * I hope such a tragic number will stay low.
 * -- 199.71.174.100 03:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Remove the title header?
Anyone know how to remove the title header on the Main Page on my own wiki, like they've done on Wikipedia? Thanks! Chazzoz 05:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This has been asked before recently, perhaps look in the archives. I forget what the outcome was, sorry. --Monotonehell 08:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. The answer, if anyone cares, is to copy the contents of MediaWiki:Monobook.js to your own wiki. Chazzoz 18:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The Image at Top Left
Something's wrong with the Image. Is anyone else experiencing this? 24.120.84.165 07:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you be more specific? It looks okay at my end. --Monotonehell 08:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * On my side,the words Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia is blacked out. Does that answer your question? hello 24.120.83.211 22:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay - not happening here. Anyone else seeing this? (Have you tried refreshing the image by itself?) --Monotonehell 03:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

On This Day
I'm not sure if this should go under errors, but for events celebrated on this day, it is the Whitsun Bank Holiday in the UK. smurrayinch e  ster(User), (Talk) 08:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's neither an error, nor main page general discussion material. Have a look here. I don't think that the date is remarkable enough to get into the OTD box, however. --Monotonehell 08:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed it's not an error, but someone referring to what they see as an omission in the list of dates on the main page is, surely, entitled to post here? But in any case, Whitsun is a religious term — it's the Spring Bank Holiday ([List of publich holidays]). Bazza 10:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I probably came over a little terse. Sorry Smurrayinchester! What I was trying to do was point out the appropriate starting point for thinking about sugesting OTD entries. --Monotonehell 12:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it's worth thinking about how to guide people a bit better on the Main Page - say, a "discuss this list" or "add to this list" link for each of In the news and On this day...? It might go to, say, WP:ITN/Candidates or an equivalent. Bazza 13:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually you made me realise that there wasn't a coresponding (suggest a new entry) link for OTD at the top of this page. So I added one. (RV self - That was stupid of me) - But are you suggesting that similar links go on the main page itself? --Monotonehell 15:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. Anything to make things easier for people who aren't familiar with the current arrangements (which seem to change from time to time anyway) for commenting, adding to or discussing the various Main Page components. Normal article pages are easy, but the Main Page seems generate difficulties like this. The hard part, of course, is working out how to add such features without causing clutter and/or confusion! Bazza 12:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it could be put on the main page without clutter. We have to think about that. But perhaps instead of having this talk page here, it should be replaced with a set of options one of which is this discusion on a different page. Along with all the other options. --Monotonehell 12:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Make wikipedia your homepage...
I think the main page of wikipedia would really benefit from an option to allow the user to make the page their homepage. Wikipedia is the largest encyclopedia on the internet (I think!) and a I think lot of people would choose wikipedia to be their homepage. Sam 09:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's the kind of option that should be done at the browser's end not on the website (IMO). A user can make any site they like their homepage. If you use Firefox WP is already an option in the search box. Who knows, maybe one day it will replace Google as the default. ;) --Monotonehell 11:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, such an option would be superfluous. There are also no text size increaser/decreaser buttons, for example. A browser is expected to provide those. —Michiel Sikma, 14:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Bravo!
This website site is absolutely excellent! I love the way the encyclopiedia expands on everything! Gives you a sufficent amount of information. Keep it up!
 * Thanks on behalf of all of us -- it's always nice to hear good things from users. Wikipedia gets enough criticism as it is. ;-) --Dhartung | Talk 05:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Talk:Main Page history it says this person is an "anon". That's prety good for an anon. He/She is very right. FellowWikip e dian 21:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Uzbek Wikipedia
Hello Admin, uzbek wikipedia reached 1000 Articles. Please could you add it to english main page. Thanks. --84.167.185.238 17:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC) Ismanov

Done. -- SmthManly  / ManlyTalk  / ManlyContribs  17:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Uzbek editors! --Dhartung | Talk 05:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Daily Mail.uk
"Babies aborted for not being perfect" would be a perfect article for the main page, especially because if there was even a hint of organized eugenics in the United States, every NGO and socialist government would (ironically) be screaming bloody murder. Haizum 17:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It would appear only if there were an existing article in wikipedia that reached a degree of encyclopedic quality. As articles on the front page are sourced from wikipedia articles, not external websites. I fear that such an article would be the target of much argument and heated debate, however. It would be a beast to find a middle line and bring in all sides of the discussion. --Monotonehell 12:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Suggesting stuff
How can we suggest the admins to put stuff in the main page? --El Chemaniaco 18:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Several different places: for "Did you know", see WP:DYK; for "In the news", see WP:ITN; for "Featured article", take a look at WP:TFA; for "Selected anniversaries", see WP:SA; and for "Featured picture", see WP:FP. All those pages describe the process of having stuff appear on the front page.  Hope this helps! --Spangineer[es]  (háblame)  21:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Merkel Pictured @ ITN
Any chance of a picture of Java or a flag of Indonesia instead?--Nema Fakei 14:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought the same thing, the Merkel picture is utterly unnecessary and irrelevant... --201.15.171.34 16:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There should be a photo of the train station instead. Añoranza 16:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * A train station with dead bodies? What? Haizum 07:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Or the Flag of Indonesia. --64.229.207.64 16:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Added the Indonesian flag, though I had problems with the  tag. --Madchester 19:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * border-notinline works better on ITN. -- 199.71.174.100 21:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Please choose photos that help in some way to inform readers
As the Indonesian flag contributes very little to inform about the earthquake, could you please post a portrait of the activist instead? Añoranza 03:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Not just any pic can get onto the Main Page. What is the copyright status of this pic of Aung San Suu Kyi ? -- 199.71.174.100 03:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Says something in a language I cannot understand but has a public domain sign:, . Añoranza 03:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The he.wikipedia page says 'fairuse'. So it probably cannot be used on the Main Page.
 * Hopefully, someone can get the Colombian presidential election, 2006 page expanded and updated soon, so that we can put that and the picture of the Colombian president on ITN. -- 199.71.174.100 03:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * A flag, at least, my teach some what that particular country's flag looks like. The flag is a default for when a more suitable picture can't be found (due to copyright or other issues). It is important, in many people's opinions, to have the lead article the one with the picture. Much confusion occurs when it is not.


 * What else could you picture in such a disaster? Perhaps a location map? Certainly not pictures of those injured or worse. That's simply disrespectful. --Monotonehell 08:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * A location map would certainly be more informative than a flag in this instance. The small inset maps at BBC Country Profiles or WorldAtlas.com look the right sort of thing, but someone would have to produce a set for different regions of the world. Alternatively, a cropped version of a Commons locator map would do. Bazza 13:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Change ITN picture please
Borisblue 15:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This won't work at ITN. The usual size is 100px. Too small to show anything meaningfully. (see right)-- 199.71.174.100 02:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I like [[Image:Kolumbianischer Präsident Alvaro Uribe 2004.jpg|100px]] better. See my suggestion at WP:ITN/Candidates. -- 199.71.174.100 03:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Impressive: Lipany
I'm currently doing a research paper on the Hussite Wars, so I was pleasantly surprised to be reminded that this is the 672nd anniversary of Lipany. However, do you really think Lipany is so important as to merit mention on the home page? How is this stuff decided, anyway? Is it done at random? Timotheus4 01:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, not random. The effective end of the Bohemian Wars in Bohemia seems important enough to me to be included.... Usually the "best" pages get selected from a list on the day's page, in this case May 30, featuring something different in history every day. Like everything on the Main Page, this section is maintained by administrators.  See Selected anniversaries for more details. -- 199.71.174.100 03:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK
..could be updated to include the launch date of the referred to iteration of HMS Ocean, to avoid confusion with e.g. the present incarnation. Badgerpatrol 02:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Bias in Selection of Featured Articles?
Has anyone else noticed that there appears to be a bias in selection of both Featured Articles and Did you Knows?

For example, both Australia and Scandinavian Firearms appear as FA's far more frequently than their relative prevalence in the Wikipedia world would suggest. I'm an Australian interested in firearms, so I'm not overly fussed, but the bias certainly seems to be there.

Also, in recent times in Did You know?, we have had a succession of Australian swimmers, including both the Konrads. Again, worthy subjects, but what about Australian basketballers, or Dutch swimmers, or Latvian townships, or asteroids?

Is it possible that those who compose this page are subconsciously letting their own interests have sway?

--RichardH 07:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's probably not bias in selection, but a systemic bias (in available wikicontent) due to the knowledge base of available contributors. -- 199.71.174.100 08:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC) (& 21:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC))
 * I'd agree with 199. At the very least, the DYK box can't reasonably be accused of bias on the part of the admins working on the main page, since they largely put whatever is suggested on Template talk:Did you know up there, and that page is added to by pretty much whoever wants to. As to the choice of FA, there's some input into the order at Today's featured article/requests but choices are mostly made by User:Raul654, who has a very limited base of articles from Featured Articles to choose from. Any bias present isn't so much from the administrators as from contributors to Wikipedia in general, at least in my humble opinion. But I'd agree that at the moment the english-language Wikipedia has a distinct Anglophone/Western bias (which is understandable considering). GeeJo  (t)⁄(c) &bull; 10:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * See also: WikiProject Countering systemic bias. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 10:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The connection was Anglophone/Western bias is tenuous to say the least. It's simply that there are only a small number of featured articles to choose from, and a few people with specific interests (which often don't match the overall skewing of the content very closely at all) produce quite a lot of them. Osomec 15:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

what has happened?
why are all the links now underlined? It looks very weird. dposse 22:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just refresh the page, that happens sometimes. Prodego  talk  22:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Refreshing doesn't help. Should i clear my cache?dposse 22:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Either that or simply telling your browser to not look stuff up in the cache when refreshing should do. The way to do that is Ctrl + F5 in Firefox and perhaps the same in Internet Explorer. Jeltz talk  22:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * nevermind. i fixed it. dposse 23:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

JaymzSpyhunter 01:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

How did you fix this problem? I have the same thing happen and am wanting to go back to the default look.
 * Clear the cache and restart your browser. The same thing happened to me and this could fix it. --Zoz (t) 11:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

May 31: News
Can someone please update the news column? The quake in Indonesia killed over 7000 people, according to reports from authorities. Also, there should be mention of the State of Emergency declared in East Timor. Wikipedia Stubmechanic 09:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Over 5000" (last I checked) was still accurate, as 7000 is more than 5000. Wikipedia is not a news page and it isn't our job to get the absolute latest figures the moment they come off the newswire. Also, the East Timor emergency is in the News column, with Operation Astute (not the best name, being discussed at Talk there) highlighted. --Dhartung | Talk 04:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Student Protest
The student protest in India has been withdrawn after intervention by the Supreme Court. Could some one please update the news section? regards --Arjun sugumar 04:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * see also above . -- 199.71.174.100 04:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Runescape Page
It is unable to be edited, but several times throughout it, there's a person saying to email your username and password to Blank email address for free members and up to seven items.

This is wrong. This is a scam, and the person who recieves this information will log onto the player's account and relieve them of their items. Please delete each one of those, or make it able to be edited, and I will. -- Commented added by User:Caleb Furth 20:13, 31 May 2006


 * This would be best addressed on the Runescape talk page. I just had a (very) quick look and couldn't see any email addresses in the text of the article. The page is protected due to vandals, probably scammers as you mention. --Monotonehell 12:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It was removed a while ago. Prodego  talk  23:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Stubs in DYK
The article on Filippo Salvatore Gilij is a pitiful stub. I wonder how it got on the Main Page. Are the updating admins not aware that stubs are not eligible? -- Ghirla -трёп-  17:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Are admins updating the Main Page at all ? ITN hasn't changed for days, except for the death toll in the Java earthquake. -- 199.71.174.100 20:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I skipped using that one, since it was so short and lacking content, but another admin decided to use it. Hopefully some user will "prefer fix attempts over complaints of various sorts." :) &mdash; 0918 BRIAN &bull; 2006-06-01 02:36


 * It's far from comprehensive, but it's more than a stub (over 1000 characters) and certainly well beyond "pitiful". DYK items are new articles, and are not expected to be of Featured Article quality. The usual response to an article that needs more information is to .... add it. --Dhartung | Talk 05:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It got on the main page Ghirla because I put it there. I'm sorry that you feel it was inappropriate, but I thought it was an interesting topic worthy of being listed. Yes, the article is short but it meets the size guidelines for DYK, and the exposure on the main page is worth it for the possibility of improvement to the article. Selection of articles for DYK is a balancing act and a judgement call but hey, that's what we admins get our monthly paychecks for :-) -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  06:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The topic is interesting, I agree, yet I would prefer to stick to the old requirement of at least 300 words in an article. My MS Word tells me that the article, bibliography and table of contents removed, has 215. I don't know who introduced 1000 characters threshold and what is the reason behind it. There is no lack of new articles complying with the old requirement. -- Ghirla -трёп-  06:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You're probably right, 1000 characters is less useful than 300 words as a determining criteria, and does seem more arbitrary. I was unaware that there used to be a 300 word requirement, maybe this should be raised at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know. -- Cactus.man  &#9997;  06:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

fijians in melbourne
hi everyone i need 2 know how many fijians live in melbourne.
 * Hi, you would have better luck asking at the Reference Desk. This page is for discussion of the Main Page of Wikipedia. - BT 02:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Reliable
Wikipedia isn't reliable, is anyone trying to fix that?


 * Don't troll. Of course there are people trying to fix that. --maru  (talk)  contribs 02:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The guy isn't trolling. Get ahold of your ego please. Haizum 02:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It certainly sounds potentially trollish to me, particularly without the ability to detect sarcasm vs. naivete on the Internet. — ceejayoz talk 05:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What is more reliable on the internet ? Use some common sense, please.
 * Sane people trust www.bbc.co.uk/news over wikipedia.
 * Wikipedia is as reliable as anything available on the internet, and it's easy to fix any errors quickly. Asking for anything more is asking too much. -- 199.71.174.100 03:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Britannica isn't reliable, but you never hear much about that, either.