Talk:Maine Mariners (ECHL)

Requested move 23 October 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: The second request, Maine Mariners → Maine Mariners (AHL), has a consensus to move, while the first has no consensus. Therefore the second move will take place, and a disambiguation page will reside at the base name. If someone wants to make a stronger case to gain consensus for the ECHL club's move in the future, they can do so via a new RM. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

– Since the ECHL team is currently playing, it has become the primary topic for the team name of "Maine Mariners". It is more likely that readers searching for Maine Mariners are looking for information on the current ECHL team, rather than on the defunct AHL team which hasn't played since 1992. DferDaisy (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Jack Frost (talk) 06:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 07:05, 9 November 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Maine Mariners (ECHL) → Maine Mariners
 * Maine Mariners → Maine Mariners (AHL)
 * Oppose ECHL move, Support AHL move and make "Maine Mariners" a DAB page. The AHL team played for 15 years and was a higher level of play. Most of the AHL team's coverage was pre-internet, so there is WP:RECENTISM for current coverage via WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Moving the AHL team to (AHL) shares current consensus for teams like Norfolk Admirals and Orlando Solar Bears. Yosemiter (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose both moves. The AHL club is the more prominent. GoodDay (talk) 18:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. |Maine_Mariners_(ECHL) Pageviews show the ECHL club getting 3-4 times the hits of the AHL club. Note also that when the ECHL spikes, the AHL tends to roughly follow suit, indicating some of those landing on the current title actually want the ECHL article. Station1 (talk) 07:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support 2nd, no clear primary topic but if anything its the ECHL one.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 09:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. No need for a disambiguation page here with only two targets, and this article is clearly primary by pageviews.  SnowFire (talk) 15:38, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Pageviews is only one component of WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY; A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. The AHL team was around for far longer (15 years vs the current version with 3) and was a higher-level team then the current. The current precedent held by the WikiProject Ice Hockey is that lower-level teams are not as well known outside their locality, in historical significance, and typically have shorter lifespans; therefore, should not be treated as the primary topic. Sources for the older team were off-line, but they were well covered in their day and likely more-so then the current team. Yosemiter (talk) 17:29, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, if pageviews were suspicious, that'd be fair. But look at the pageview chart - it's not close, and the old team has a tiny amount of hits.  Furthermore, the old team is getting fake hits from readers who go to that page then immediately clicking the hatnote to the modern team, so it's even worse than a 3x-4x difference, probably more like 5x.  Highest league is useful shorthand for unclear or borderline cases, but this case seems pretty overwhelming in favor of the modern team - maybe the old league, even if at a higher level, just wasn't that relevant?  Certainly if some minor-league baseball team came along with a name like Brooklyn Gladiators or Detroit Wolverines, they could easily displace those "major league" teams in primacy.  SnowFire (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2021 (UTC)