Talk:Maison de Jeanne

Timeline for dendrochronology
Not sure this lines up in the source as it's been written here.

The article currently implies that the house was dated as a direct result of its Imgur fame (The history and age of the home was unknown until 2017; someone shared a photo of the medieval home on the image sharing site Imgur and it attracted the attention of more than 1.5 million people in just two days.), but the source cited doesn't appear to say that: it says that the house appeared on Imgur ("en 2018") and also that the building was at some point dated to the 14th century (without saying whether this was done before, after or as a result of the Imgur fame).

Are there any other sources that say when and why the building was dated? And was the photo it posted to Imgur in 2017 or 2018? --Lord Belbury (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The home appeared on Imgur in May 2017 and the home was dated by Christophe Perrault in 2018. According to the article by 9/10/2018 he was still awaiting the results. [Https://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2018/10/09/2884884-va-enfin-savoir-si-maison-jeanne-est-vraiment-plus-vieille.html source] Bruxton (talk) 01:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's a better source. If the news article doesn't draw an explicit connection between the Imgur fame and Perrault researching the age of the building, though, the article shouldn't imply that one followed from the other. I'll edit out the implication. --Lord Belbury (talk) 07:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Tax
I don't understand why the claim for tax is kept but Jettying is removed. There is no historical documents or evidence to suggest tax was ever the purpose of the design. The mention comes from a news paper, the Le Figaro which was founded in 1826, over 300 years after the construction of the building. Jettying dates back up to 2000 years ago. We seem to want to take the random word from a news paper with no evidence, vs a long standing proven building technique for construction. Either find solid evidence that Tax was the purpose, or keep Jettying comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.100.143.119 (talk) 18:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You have erased RS showing that the building was dated to the 15th century and changed it to the 14th. The newer RS showed the flaws in the preliminary dendrochronology report and dated it to 15th. You have also introduced an uncited claim while disputing the bit about the taxes which is cited to RS. Unfortunately we cannot say this is an example of Jettying without RS. Bruxton (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No. I added
 * >  The structure may also be a result of jettying, which prevents the floor from bowing, being more structurally sound.
 * And that was it.
 * Despite the fact there is an unfounded claim that it’s for tax with 0 historical records to have any evidence that it was for tax. I left that in and provided an alternative reasoning due to the fact it’s far more likely to be for Jettying.
 * You cannot include the claim it’s for taxes without proof. You’re simply lying to people. 115.189.86.33 (talk) 05:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, you should add a sentence about jettying and a source that supports this statement.
 * If the tax viewpoint is disputed, perhaps it could be framed according to where it comes from and who is saying it (the source suggests Le Figaro but doesn't give a link to the original). Belbury (talk) 08:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Larousse Encyclopedia of Renaissance and Baroque Art (1964) states that jettying was common in French urban architecture from the 13th to the 16th centuries (p. 212) 219.89.23.122 (talk) 09:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've added the statement back with this as a source. --Belbury (talk) 09:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. 219.89.23.122 (talk) 10:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I removed the tax since it has no valid source and so since it has no valid source it has no purpose being on Wikipedia. 219.89.23.122 (talk) 09:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The basic suggestion in the sentence is indirectly sourced to Le Figaro via grandsudinsolite.fr: According to Le Figaro "some people are surprised by the corbelled structure which is getting wider and wider until it was explained to them that at the time, the French already wanted to pay as little tax as possible and that they were relying on the floor surface of the building... I've updated the sentence to match what the source actually claims. Belbury (talk) 10:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is why we can’t trust Wikipedia. When people will leave false claims in and discard actual facts. 115.189.86.33 (talk) 05:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)