Talk:Make Way for Ducklings/Archive 1

Plot Summary
When our plot summary has more words than the original book, I'd say it's probably overdone. - DavidWBrooks
 * Amazon.com states: Make Way For Ducklings word count: 1,471. Our summary: Roughly 420 words.  &mdash; Scm83x hook 'em 15:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

GA Review
In reviewing the article according to the Good Article Criteria, I have passed Make way for Ducklings as a Good Article. 1. It is well written. - Pass 2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. - Pass 3. It is broad in its coverage. - Pass 4. It follows the neutral point of view policy - Pass 5. It is stable - Pass 6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. - Pass I want to thank the editors for their time and effort in crafting such an excellent article. As I somewhat alluded to above, I was initially skeptical about how much could be written about a children's book in order to qualify for GA. Reviewing this article was a pleasent suprise and I am grateful for the opportunity that I had to do so. If there is any questions, feel free to contact me. Agne 00:33, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The article has smooth, compelling prose that passes WP:MOS. All Boston-specific items are either explained in the article or wiki-linked so that the casual reader can still follow along.
 * A nice spectrum of various sources that all pass WP:RS.
 * . On the surface it doesn't look like that much could be written about a simple children's book but the editors have been able to sew together relevant points (like McClosky live models) to fill out the article beyond just a plot summary.
 * The article does an excellent job of incorporating some of the literary criticism of the book as well as conveying it's enduring popularity.
 * The article has had a variety of contributors and has progressed gracefully with just a little tweaking in editing in the past.
 * I absolutely just LOVED the map. A minor suggestion would be to "bold" the pathway just a bit (or maybe change the color from red since the line to the inset is also red)
 * Another minor suggestion would be to maybe move the map image to the left side of the article, still within the plot section. This gives the images a staggered format and is just a bit more visually appealing.

Stub to GA
Less then a month ago, this was a stub. Now it is a Good Article. I want to see that happen with my new article on another Caldecott, Owl Moon. Uncle Kitia 14:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Best FA Ever
Good work, team. --Savethemooses 04:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It was always my fave as a kid, so I figured it needed a star. &mdash; Scm83x hook 'em 06:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it is lovely. Reading it really made me feel happy! J Milburn 18:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

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 * Fixed --Knulclunk (talk) 20:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

"Sociological" criticism
The sociological impact of a book is an incredible important topic to a comprehensive article about the topic. Especially when the book in question is children's literature. I am not an expert, but it is fairly certain that the social norms shown to children at an early age certainly have an influence on their later behavior. If numerous critics found fit to mention the social aspects of the story in separate journal articles ranging from the 1970s to the 2000s, then certainly the social aspects are a very important topic that must be considered in order to have a comprehensive article on the topic. Please read the sources to see the emphasis that is placed on this. Even reading the titles, one of which is "Sex-Role Socialization in Picture Books for Preschool Children", indicates that this topic is important enough to garner mention. &mdash; Scm83x hook 'em 02:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, yes, yes, I read the sources and they're ridiculous - ponderous over-analysis of a charming children's book. This kind of stuff can be dolloped over Tolstoy or Kafka, but academics using "Make Way for Ducklings" to boost their publication count is idiotic! I only trimmed, not removed entirely, that stuff - but even that seems to have been too much. Sigh ... but I'll leave it alone after two reverts, in hopes that somebody else will be struck by the silliness of this unbalanced article and do some trimming, too; if not, perhaps I'm wrong. Meanwhile, I'm working on my Ph.D. thesis: "Socio-economic anarchosyndicalism as referenced by counterpunctual proto-humanistic tendential nomenclature in Pat the Bunny" - DavidWBrooks 17:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I state again, quoting myself:
 * "Amazon.com states: Make Way For Ducklings word count: 1,471. Our summary: Roughly 420 words."
 * &mdash; Scm83x hook 'em 18:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

i think it's funny reading about the weak plot of a picture book, and characterisation lacking for a talking duck! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.22.48.116 (talk • contribs)


 * Ah, our article is only one-third as long as the book: Let's hope that standard doesn't carry over to Remembrance of Things Past - DavidWBrooks 21:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I cut-and-pasted it into Word, and our total article has more than 1,500 words (although that includes markup) - it IS as long as the book! The "plot summary" alone is almost 400 words. - DavidWBrooks 12:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Calling Mr. Mallard's trip "questionable" is POV IMO. Simpler to just repeat the book's justification.205.143.123.88 00:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
I don't know where anyone will find verification of this, four years later, but I can attest to it as a witness: A new public library was opened in Batavia, Illinois in early 2002 at the corner of Batavia Avenue (IL Route 31) and Wilson Street, the former site of Batavia High School/Batavia Jr. High School (demolished to make room for the new library). The library's previous site, at Wilson and Jackson, is now the headquarters for the city's school district. Because the two buildings were three blocks apart, a ceremony was held late in 2001 to move books from the old building into the new building, passed down a line of members of the community, with traffic stopped briefly for the occasion. The first book to be so passed out the doors of the old library, down Wilson Street and across Batavia Avenue into the new library, with traffic stopped was Make Way for Ducklings. --JohnDBuell 19:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler warning
What role does the spoiler warning serve? Isn't the fact that this pot-boiler's plot is revealed self-evident from the subheading "Plot"? —Michael Z. 2006-12-15 00:45 Z 

Redundancy?
I like the article and learned a lot about a book I have always enjoyed. However, am I the only one that thinks two mentions of the Boston statue in the lede is a bit redundant? Can this be tightened up before it appears on the Main Page? Instead of the current last two sentences: "The book is extremely popular worldwide. The city of Boston, where the story is set, as well as Novodevichy Park, Moscow, have both built small statues based on the story." how about "The book is extremely popular worldwide. Novodevichy Park, Moscow, also has a small statue based on the story, which was presented by then United States First Lady Barbara Bush to Russian First Lady Raisa Gorbachev as a gift to the children of the Soviet Union." or something similar? Just a thought and congrats on a nice article! Ruhrfisch 02:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been 24 hours and no reply - I tweaked my suggested edit a bit and will add it to the This Month's Queue talk section. Ruhrfisch 02:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How is this NPOV/inaccurate/original research/incomprehensible?
I see vandals and now User:Slf67, who appears to be more reputable adding various tags without explaining them. Can somebody please explain the precise issues here? It seems good to me and it's a featured article. --71.192.117.127 01:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Slf67 did not tag the article, he correct a recently added Wikilink. The problem was that the link to Novodevichy Park in fact redirects to an article about a convent (Novodevichy Convent) as there is as yet no article about the the park. As to the previous tagging, it appears to have been pure vandalism. WjBscribe 01:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahh, 'K, thanks. ~Luke --71.192.117.127 01:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I missed the intermediary edit by User:66.30.10.227, who it appears Slf67 warned (apparently because I didn't clear my cache). --71.192.117.127 01:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Map
This may seem like nitpicking, but the Interstates did not exist in 1941. I think a simpler, sharper image (the base map looks horrible) covering only the area of the inset (or perhaps slightly larger) might be more appropriate. Cmprince 04:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Issue becomes getting a PD image to use as the base image. Find one and the image can be remade. &mdash; Scm83x hook 'em 06:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

British version?
I recall this book from my (British) childhood - but is it my imagination or did I read a British version set in London - Kensington Gardens or St James Park I think? In which case, was it based on the US version or vice versa? 84.70.44.223 12:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

controversy
it was banned at one point. i forget why. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.151.167.250 (talk) 15:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

If you don't have a source don't do that, from what the article says why would it have been banned? Its great. It's banned. It's great again. Liar. Might as well say Mickey mouse was once a chain smoker. I forget when =[ --signed by unsigned.

Some books have been banned for some pretty silly reasons, (I researched this for a speech), but I can't think of any reason someone would ban this. Personally, I love it. Bookaddict 23:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

"loose plot" and criticism?
What is this? Criticizing a children's picture book for its loose plot and "poor characterization"? These seem dubious to me, reference or no reference. TheQuandry 21:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, kind of silly, especially since it's immediately followed by a sentence talking about how praised it is. So I took them both out. - DavidWBrooks 01:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Pack stolen
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30078311/ Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 18:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * He's back: - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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