Talk:Making out/Archive 1

Synonyms removed
Both of these generally refer to getting laid, not making out.
 * 1) "Scoring"
 * 2) "Hooking up"

This may be the case in America but in the UK "Scoring" refers primarily to buying class A drugs, particularly heroin. "Hooking up" is simply to meet with people, and one may arrange to hook up with family or friends for any purpose, with no motive or agenda inferred. ````

Necking
Perhaps some one more educated then I can anwser this, but isn't necking often considered to be an act of trust, as well? The neck being a very vundrible region and all. --71.124.154.120 14:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

What??

Gender Neutral
I think some of this article is a little assumptive toward gender. Perhaps it could be made a bit more neutral, unless the slang is applied ONLY to one sex? For example:

""Swapping spit," since a kisser can get his saliva in his/her partner's mouth. Again, this can be used derogatorily."

This assumes that at least one partner is male. You can just say "since saliva may be left in a partner's mouth" and avoid the issue. Or you can make first pronoun a his/her construction. Either way would do well, I think. The part about baseball euphemisms has the same problem, only it's assuming at least one partner is female. Just a suggestion to anyone who works on this page.

deleted synonym
I've deleted "googling her mouth hole" from the synonym list, but I'd like to memorialize it as the best wikipedia vandalisation I've yet encountered.


 * A worthy attrocity, indeed. :D --24.15.165.14 04:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation Needed?
How is ciatation needed for stuff that normally takes place at parties? Jesus Christ do they need an article about it or something?

Picture
What Happened to the cool picture of the two kids making out. put another one in. 01:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was deleted on WP due to already existing in the wikimedia commons, and then deleted from the commons a few days ago due for being incorrectly tagged as public domain. (Wow, I can't believe I just spent the last ten minutes researching this.) Electrolite 01:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know when the term first came into use. I have done a little research but have been unable to determine the history of the term or when it came into popular use.

As far as I know, the term's meaning has shifted over the last five years or so (at least when used by people in late adolescence) to encompass more activites. I can't find any cites for this, though. Tlogmer (Talk / Contributions) 13:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this. I am a Baby Boomer & in my day, "making out" did NOT necessarily imply petting, just prolonged kissing that might not even involve tongue use.(Some girls would kiss you till the proverbial cows came home, but try to cop a feel and you were in trouble.)

-Can we lose the dykes?--70.29.71.45 03:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary.
Hmm... I thought that Wikipedia was not a dictionary. Jchillerup 20:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not a thesaurus, either. My problem is that some of the synonyms are not widely, if at all, used. This isn't urbandictionary.com. This is why citing is important.--Jickyincognito 23:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Trapping Off
The article suggests 'Trapping Off' is used in Northern England. I've never heard it (and I'm from the North). Can somebody confirm it's actually used?

Same here for the German "Bratwürsten": I'm from Franconia in Bavaria, which i must say is the main state for "Bratwürste" but I have never heard of the the term "Bratwürsten" for making out...

Whilst we are on the topic, I have never heard "pulling" being used to describe making out in the UK either. I have always understood it to mean intercourse. 129.67.43.240 22:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * 'pulling' on a night out when i was much younger and going to under 18s discos did indeed mean solely kissing and/or associated groping - Masterplan79th


 * I had the impression that pulling means the recruitment of a partner, rather than the subsequent consummation. Would you say "My spouse and I pull every night"? —Tamfang (talk) 08:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The phrase "I have pulled" means to pull a woman/man away from his/her friends so that the couple can get down to more private matters. That might mean cuddling all night, or rampant sexual intercourse. Chaosdruid (talk) 12:29, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Necking 2
This sections is states definitively that "necking" is kissing, licking, etc. specifically to the neck. That's wrong, from what i've seen "necking" is a (rather disused) catch-all term.


 * necking: Informal. the act of embracing, kissing, and caressing amorously; petting.


 * Groucho Marx "Whoever named it necking was a poor judge of anatomy."

Does it make sense? No. But when George Bailey tells his mother he's going to "find a girl and do a little passionate necking," it's neither explicitly sexual nor explicitly about necks.

Perhaps it's modern connotations are different?
 * Bantosh 15:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Read a book in 1950 that called anything not involving the "caressing of breasts and genitals" necking. Necking doesn't seem like it's an activity exclusively involving the neck.

Wow that was an awkward sentence. 152.23.196.162 04:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I am removing the section on necking as it is factually inaccurate and uncited. I am also removing the list of synonyms per WP:NOT. I think if all the unnecessary information is removed, this article will be no more than a stub and I may nominate it for deletion. The only reason I haven't done so already is that it is apparently referenced in dozens, perhaps hundreds, of other wikiarticles. --Nonstopdrivel 23:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Make Out Train
I live in Vancouver, and I heard media reports that there was a group in Vancouver that was in the business of promoting making out. This group planned to ride buses and trains and make out the entire ride, and to hopefully get media attention to thier cause. Does anyone else know about this ?? Should it be added to the article ??

Making out picture
Some may and seem to be having problems with the picture and I understand why: It is of lesbians. I personally do not care but I would not change it back if it were changed to male/female.--WhereAmI 06:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine to me as long as it isn't removed altogether and not replaced with another picture. --The_stuart 15:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

POV
I removed this sentence because I thought that it seemed more like POV thinking than fact. --Austinsimcox 13:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Protected page
I have semi-protected the page as it (not surprisingly) seems to be a frequent target for vandals. At the very least people will have to create an account to slag this article for now. --Nonstopdrivel 14:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Disregard. As I am not yet an admin, I do not have these privileges. --Nonstopdrivel 23:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Drastic action needed
After eliminating unencyclopedic content and rework for content and style, this article barely qualifies as a stub. If significant action is not taken to cite claims and flesh out content, I will nominate this article for merger with French kiss. There's nothing substantive in this article that isn't (or couldn't be) covered there. Again, as I stated previously, the only reason I haven't nominated this article for deletion or merger is that it is apparently cited by numerous other articles.

I welcome discussion on this point. --Nonstopdrivel 23:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a slang phrase for French kissing. A merger seems quite appropriate.
 * Peter Isotalo 09:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's not really appropriate to have this in the French Kiss article. French kissing is a pretty specific act, making out is more general. If anything, the French kissing article should be merged in as part of this since it is often part of 'making out', but I don't have a problem with them remaining separate. --jjron 09:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

minor edit change (2 words)
These two words, and its format: "'make-out sesh'" ( it is not three apostrophes, but a double one, and then one apostrophe ). Corrected! Note, I've assumed it was an error, and not intentional one, i.e.: 'make-out sesh', "make-out sesh". --PLA y Grande Covián (talk) 16:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Text replacement (it was): "'make-out sesh'"
 * And it is: make-out sesh, ( or make-out sesh )

a couple of points of language

 * Originally, it ['make out'] meant "to seduce" or "to have sexual intercourse with".

The equation here implies that one could say John made out Marcia, meaning either John seduced Marcia or John had s.i. with Marcia. Is that intended?


 * Studies indicate that at the beginning of the 20th century, premarital sex increased, and with it, petting behavior in the 1920s.

Petting increased twenty years afterward? What next, dancing?! —Tamfang (talk) 08:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Relevant?
I do not see the point of the Freud quotation in regard to the topic of the entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.125.29 (talk) 16:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

There Is More Than One Typoe Of Making Out, Not  Just Frenching
there's more than one type of making out not just frenching, perhaps  it could be considered a form of passionate kissing?

Why does "petting" redirect here?
The word "petting" has other uses (e. g., some types of grooming) - I think it should be converted to a disambiguation page of some kind. Jarble (talk) 01:46, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

why is "hooking up" in the lead?
What has "hooking up" got to do with "making out"? It is a completely different term and is kind of jarring to be there. Bhny (talk) 00:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I see "hooking up" has been removed before as an erroneous synonym- []. This may explain how the sentence was left hanging without a reason to be there. Since no one has commented I will remove it. Bhny (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

weird ambiguity and repetition of sexual in lead
In human sexuality, making out is a sexual euphemism... It's redundant to say sexual twice.

('sexual euphemism' also ambiguously implies it is sex. It is just a "euphemism".) Bhny (talk) 00:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * as there were no objections I performed this minor edit Bhny (talk) 22:15, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Petting Parties
which are part of the "Flapper" discussion - a description of a social 'break' where women rejecting "morals" and restrictions in the post WWI era, participated enthusiasticly in behaviour that that directly challneged social norms strictly enforced in immediately preceding eras, are not reflected here. This article, redirecting from "petting parties" on the page discussing the '20's' gender revolt, cites the 30's and forties as the beginning of the phenomenon. This whole discussion is not handled well, here, or honestly, elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.241.2 (talk) 19:09, 11 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Confusing
"Petting" re-directs to here, and "petting" and "heavy petting" are used in the article, but I can't see where they are defined or explained.211.225.33.104 (talk) 08:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The lead currently states: "Making out is an euphemism of American origin, dating back to at least 1949, and is used synonymously with the terms kissing, petting and necking, but may also refer to non-penetrative sex acts such as heavy petting. Snogging is a term with roughly the same meaning in British English and related varieties of English."


 * What more is needed to explain what petting is? In the romantic/sexual sense, it's an alternative word for making out. And heavy petting redirects to the Non-penetrative sex article, and is explained there. Flyer22 (talk) 09:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Plenty. If the current sentence is correctly interpreted the way you are interpreting it, then "kissing" is the same as "necking" is the same as "petting." I know for my background that is patently wrong, and I doubt that any other American generation would say that petting and kissing are the same thing.  The word "petting" is not defined; the closest to a definition is "may also...." - which does not clear things up.  I don't have a citable source, but the way I understood it when i heard it used in my teens was carressing/fondling of the genitals, possibly including digital penetration.

Going back to the site, I see that "heavy petting" has a link on the third use of the phrase - not where I was looking by any means. 211.225.33.104 (talk) 10:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * If I'm interpreting anything on this matter, it's what WP:Reliable sources state on this topic. The sources in the article define making out consistently and not-so consistently; just like the vast majority of terms, making out has different definitions. And stating that making out may also refer to kissing, necking and/or petting is not the same thing as stating "...'kissing' is the same as 'necking' is the same as 'petting.'" Whatever the case, I cannot help your confusion. Flyer22 (talk) 10:53, 29 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "Used synonymously with" means is the same as. 05:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.225.33.104 (talk)


 * And? I already stated, "making out has different definitions." We don't have to state "may be used synonymously with"; we shouldn't do that anyway because then it implies that making out is something different than kissing, petting and necking; it's not different than those things except for the "non-penetrative sex acts such as heavy petting" part, which is why we state "but may also refer to non-penetrative sex acts such as heavy petting." Making out is an alternative word for kissing, petting and necking; it is chiefly an American word/euphemism for those things, and may also refer to "non-penetrative sex acts such as heavy petting." The lead is clear on all of that. I'm done with this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 12:53, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * But the article already says "used synonymously with." Can someone not so belligerent try to help clear this up. 211.225.33.104 (talk) 08:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * So now you resort to belligerent insults when you are the one talking in circles and are not making sense? Do stop wasting my and everyone else's time. Ignoring you from here on out. Flyer22 (talk) 09:31, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Agreed that it's confusing phrasing. I edited to replace "used synonymously with" with "used variously to refer to". Willondon (talk) 02:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Euphemism?
Why is it called a euphemism? I can see that it is definitely an idiom, but how is it a euphemism (not that the article really is clear about what the action or actions are that are being referred to). 211.225.33.104 (talk) 08:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I edited to replace 'euphemism' with 'term'. I understand 'euphemism' to mean blunting the effect of a "bad" term, or replacing it with something that sounds "good". I don't see "making out" as fitting that description. Willondon (talk) 02:31, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * In matters such as these, it is always best to look at what WP:Reliable sources state; enough of them support making out as a euphemism Flyer22 (talk) 03:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think it'll be necessary, but I anticipate criticizing the reference to a Google search and its results, when it comes to characterizing "making out" as a euphemism rather than an idiom, or a term. Willondon (talk) 05:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you mean; what I am stating is that we should be going by what the WP:Reliable sources state, not our personal opinions. And there are indeed WP:Reliable sources that call making out a euphemism; that's why it was labeled a euphemism before you changed it. I don't feel strongly either way about it calling it a euphemism. Flyer22 (talk) 06:21, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

self-referential nonsense
As addressed above, this (for lack of a better word) article depends heavily upon readers already knowing WTF "petting" is, yet Petting bounces directly back to Making out. So, I'll give it a few days for correction, then begin deleting this nonsense as… well, nonsense, understanding (of course) that half the article might thus become untenable.

And if "making out" actually DOES mean "different things to different age groups in different parts of the United States" then those differences NEED to be EXPLICITLY and SPECIFICALLY addressed in the article. I mean, rather bleeding obvious, eh? Weeb Dingle (talk) 08:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


 * With this edit, I moved "petting" out of the lead and clarified lower in the article that heavy petting is sometimes simply called petting. Yes, "petting" can also refer to kissing, but we already note kissing in the lead and the Bolin source is using "petting" to mean heavy petting. In the lead, I also clarified that necking means "heavy kissing of the neck." Besides that, though, it can also mean "kissing, caressing, and other sexual activity between partners that does not involve stimulation of the genitals or sexual intercourse." Basically, one of the definitions of "making out."


 * As for "different things to different age groups in different parts of the United States," the section states immediately afterward that making out "typically refers to kissing, including prolonged, passionate, open-mouth kissing (also known as French kissing), and intimate skin-to-skin contact. The term can also refer to other forms of foreplay such as heavy petting, which typically involves some genital stimulation, but usually not the direct act of penetrative sexual intercourse." It goes over the different things with that, and with reliable sources. There is nothing else that "making out" means. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:48, 15 March 2019 (UTC)


 * On second thought: Because of that broader definition of necking, which was also discussed in the section above, I deleted the term necking and added "including heavy kissing of the neck" in its place. The Necking disambiguation page still currently states, "Making out, a term for heavy kissing of the neck or petting of that area." But it's a disambiguation page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Possible earlier historic reference?
In the past tense, I found a possible "making out" kissing reference in the 1922 college humor magazine Pennsylvania Punch Bowl, March 1922. The joke hinges on two meanings for the term "made out": "Watts – That was a pretty nice girl I took you around to see the other night. I suppose you made out all right? Upp – Yes, I made out as soon as I could."

For context, that same magazine issue has a number of sexy jokes dealing with kissing, necking, and hugging, but nothing more explicit or intimate. Does this seem worthy of a mention in History? Pikabruce (talk) 19:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe a WP:Secondary source would be needed to interpret this. Crossroads -talk- 04:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)