Talk:Malaysian lock-up detainee abuse scandal

ear squats?


 * I haven't got a clue either. --Valentinian 15:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Watch the video clip from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4468810.stm
 * It shows a woman being asked to hold her ears while squating and rising and squating. I believe it's a punishment designed to humiliate. --speedoflight | talk to me 18:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't know if it's designed to humiliate or just plain be damn painful.


 * How about 100 naked push ups ? Is either nude video available on Wiki Commons yet ? I think its better to watch the video frame by frame, repeatedly, rather than rush to judge.


 * earsquat is a very common method used by parents to punish children in malaysia. It is much less humuliation than western culture's spanking. the earsquat is a common procedure by the police force to make sure no drugs or weapons is on suspect's body part without even touching them. - CarlVlad

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Unverified statement

 * "Meanwhile, certain people who are not inclined to any political parties, believed that, in all fairness to the police corp, thorough investigations should be carried out to ascertain that the strip searches do not really contravene the standard police procedure. And while Musa's statement may be sparking more heat to the public, he is known to be a fair police chief and must have substantial justification in his claim."

No offense, folks, but avoid attributing opinions to anonymous sources, please.

Who are these 'certain people', and why are they 'not inclined to any political parties'? Who states that Musa is 'known to be a fair police chief'? Could someone please verify and source these statements before we put it back in the article again? --T-Boy 04:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Shock & Awe
In all honesty I don't know too much about this case, but unless somebody has been quoted as saying parliament were in "shock and awe" then its use doesn't seem appropriate in this context. Can someone with more knowledge than I clarify please?


 * Argh, sorry about that. It's hard to monitor incoming edits for less-than-encyclopedic material. Thanks for the heads-up. Johnleemk | Talk 15:40, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Police harrassment
The shameful incident of a Chinese detainee being asked to ear squats in the nude is just the tip of the iceberg

When the former IGP inflicted the infamous black eye on Anwar, he knew at that time that his political master would protect him. Until the international press highlighted it.

When the police harassed the Indian IT expatriates, the Indian government retaliated. When the mistreated Chinese tourists protested, the Chinese government backed them up.

All in all, Malaysia only backtracked when a Big Brother country came into the picture.

What happens to the thousands of Bangladeshis, Indonesians, Thais, etc who are harassed daily? Nobody bothered. Why? Because there would be no political or economic fallout.

The root cause of police brutality is simply explained by famous words, "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Added to this dilemma, Malaysia has not seen a change of government since independence in 1957.

This country has been and continues to head in the wrong direction, setting it further back from developed countries and undoing the good work of others in the last four decades.

I propose a national independent commission to investigate and publicly report on the alleged widespread abuse and corruption in the police force. The police should not be allowed to investigate itself. This idea seems simply ridiculous.

Abuses of police power are just the symptoms of a sick government elected by an equally sick society. We need the cure. Change must be holistic and in a total package.

Ideally, we need a change of government with a two-party system.

Unfortunately, many don't trust PAS with its Taliban leanings. It appears strategic that Anwar should lead a moderate coalition comprising Keadilan and DAP as the pillars that will include parties representing the minorities.

Undoubtedly this will be difficult to achieve but it needs to start now.

There is no more room for such nonsense for this country is collapsing under the burgeoning weight of all these fat and waste.

Let us improve in every aspect to build our Malaysia Boleh tag - which will not be fulfilled in the next hundred years if we continue like this. &mdash;preceding unsigned comment by 210.187.192.83 (talk &bull; contribs)


 * Sorry, this isn't a forum to rant on Malaysian political issues. Please discuss this elsewhere. Johnleemk | Talk 17:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Linked from Jeff Ooi
This article has now been mentioned in Jeff Ooi's blog, just a note towards the editors working on this article. --Andylkl [ talk! 17:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Squategate
I don't understand on whats wrong to punish a woman in her original state? Its ridiculous to call it offensive or shameful but is commonly practised in this modern world. Does this article need to make meantion of this dire naming scheme? Especially seeing as it is a non-US scandel.. --24.31.29.171 01:16, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Where is the whole video?
Reuters took down their video, so the only video left I can find is the 21 second BBC video of her not being tortured. How are you supposed to write an unbiased article on a video that nobody's allowed to see because it violates youtube's "standards"? Someone needs to find the video and save it for future reference, because torture cannot be allowed to be swept under the rug simply because it might offend malaysian authorities. 69.220.2.188 (talk) 01:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Independent commission
This article ends suddently with the commission of the Independent Inquest. Does anyone know the results of it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.93.152.130 (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

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