Talk:Malice at the Palace/Archive 2

Why remove triva?
"Basketbrawl" and "Malice in the Palace" are common names for this event that are frequently referenced in the sports media. Why shouldn't that be included on this article?

Tmassey (talk) 00:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * They are not, at least from any reference that can find. Google "Malice in the Palace" and the only references you will find is to older versions of this page (or copies like Answers.com).  It's just not been used by anyone else outside of this.

Game called
"The Pistons announcer, John Mason, called the game, and the Pacers were awarded the 97-82 win without the game finishing." -What the hell is this? Announcers don't make the call to end a game, the ref does that. I would think this means that John Mason, the announcer, called the game on television. But bringing it up like that is way out of context. It doesn't belong in that sentence. So I removed it. --Pwnage8 (talk) 09:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Other fans
This article says "On November 30, eleven days after the brawl, John Green and Charlie Haddad were banned indefinitely from attending any events at venues owned by Palace Sports and Entertainment, the owner of the Pistons, and had their season tickets revoked." However, an article from USA Today states that more fans were banned from the Palace: ''Five fans were charged with misdemeanor assault and battery: John Green, William Paulson, John Ackerman, Bryant Jackson and David Wallace, the brother of Detroit's Ben Wallace. Two other spectators, Charlie Haddad and Alvin Shackleford, were charged with walking onto the court. All seven fans charged in the incident have been banned from the arena.''

The USA Today article also says: ''Palace president Tom Wilson said all seven fans charged in the incident have been banned from the Palace. "We aren't saying that it is permanent, although it might be," he said. "It's definitely through the end of the season, and quite possibly beyond that."'' Therefore, it should probably be clarified in the article who was banned for life and who wasn't. For example, ESPN reports that Alvin "A.J." Shackleford was indeed banned for life as of May 2006. Bash Kash (talk) 18:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I've fixed the problem. Noble Story (talk) 03:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but keep in mind that the article was last updated less than a month after the brawl took place (December 9, 2004). Perhaps I should find a more recent source that tells us the status of the six other fans besides Shackleford. I assume Green is still banned for life, for example. Bash Kash (talk) 04:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * For one thing, I don't think there will be any more recent sources. Also, I don't think the Pistons would be about to revoke their suspensions. Noble Story (talk) 04:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point. I'll still try to look up the status of the remaining fans, but you're probably right. BTW, the John Green article used to say "He has also been banned from the Palace grounds, and Artest has filed a restraining order against him. The restraining order requires that Green maintain a distance of 60 feet from Artest, which is the believed distance from where Green threw the cup at Artest." Do you know anything about this? This says Green says he'd apologize to Artest in person and buy him dinner if the Sacramento Kings star would lift a restraining order against him. Just curious if you think it's relevant enough to be mentioned in the article, and whether the restraining order is still in place. Bash Kash (talk) 04:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I knew about that, and considered putting it in, but I couldn't find anything further about it (when is was lifted and so on). It has borderline relevance, and it could be excluded or included without significant loss. So I don't care if you want to put it in or not. Noble Story (talk) 04:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

GA Review #1 Failed
This article has failed its first Good Article Nomination because all of the required changes for passage were not made in time. Specifically, item number one was not completed. In addition, small changes, like citing the Associated Press as the author in current reference #44, were done incorrectly; ESPN.com is no longer listed as the publisher of the article like it should be. Please see Template:Cite web for a helpful way to fill out all known reference information. Good luck with the article in the future, and for anyone else reading this review, please consider reviewing an article yourself at Good article nominations. Cheers, Monowi (talk) 07:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Game before brawl
I added a section about the game before the brawl, though it is completly based on memory and probably needs some editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragons master (talk • contribs) 19:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, great, but wouldn't that violate No original research? Everything that you write should be based on reliable sources. See WP:V. I have tagged the section you added with unreferenced. Bash Kash (talk) 02:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * On second thought, if we ever want this to become a Good Article, we can't have entire sections that are unsourced. I'm going to remove it for the time being, but please find some reliable sources if you want to restore it. Bash Kash (talk) 20:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * On third thought (is that a phrase?), I have restored it again, but it's going to need some sources. Bash Kash (talk) 20:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Some of the stats i Got from basketball reference, but I dont know how to add references :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.234.55 (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Added reference and removed tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.234.55 (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I rewrote the section and add a reference.— Chris!  c t 05:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

86 games?
This article says "Artest was given the longest suspension, as he was suspended for the remainder of the 2004-05 NBA season, a suspension which eventually totaled 86 games..." An anon changed this to 76. However, the source cited actually says 73 games. Perhaps this is the actual number? But where did "86" come from? Bash Kash (talk) 20:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Artest's suspension was for the remainder of the 2004-05 season, playoffs included. That means Artest's suspension was extended through Detroit's 13 postseason games. 3.14 (talk) 05:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Note on Reference Formatting
In response to a post Bash Kash made on my talk page about using the Cite web template for reference formatting, I'd like to point out a minor tweak I just made to the formatting of current reference #44. It's fantastic that both the author and publisher are now listed in the reference (good work :) ), but I simply used Cite web's established formatting to put the author, the Associated Press, after the "|author=" formatting in order to clean up the reference's formatting a bit. Under this method, the cite web template automatically formats the reference for you, saving both time and any potential confusion for other editors. Hope this info helps, the article is shaping up nicely, and continued good luck in your efforts. Monowi (talk) 07:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

nothing special but
It was so coincidental that I was just reading about this event yesterday and noticed that it said Billups was the only one still with his original team and then today I read about him getting traded to the Nuggets, I just found that a bit funny, that's all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.215.143.208 (talk) 20:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I actually disagree with the way the article is written concerning Billups. The way the article is written implies that Billups was traded because of the brawl the article discusses, which is untrue. Although factual, the way it is written is misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.25.118 (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)