Talk:Malin Akerman

Wikipedia is not a viewer's guide to naked flesh in movies
If and when an actress has "exposed her nude upper body" is simply not relevant in a biographic article in an encyclopedia. This is not a matter of withholding "truth" - there are a wide number of equally irrelevant albeit true facts that I would remove in the same fashion (e.g. what brand of shoes she was wearing in the latest episode of The Comeback). Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Furthermore, statements like this reduce the credibility of Wikipedia, by making it look like "Beavis and Butt-head's guide to naked flesh in movies". There must be more relevant things to mention about Malin Akerman's acting than the fact that she's once taken her shirt off in front of the camera. / Alarm 12:37, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I would support you Alarm, but for erotica-fans like me, it is somewhat interesting. Now I can look her up here: . //Fred-Chess 20:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Picture
While the above link is interesting, I think this would make for a much better picture, though I'm not exactly sure it's fair use: Those copyright laws are a bitch; but someone can try uploading it since I don't know all the rules and criteria, etc. --Wikiwøw ­­ 20:21, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move (2007)

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Page moved per discussion below. History merged back together. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC) Malin Åkerman → Malin Akerman — Fix an improper, undiscussed cut-and-paste move. Malin Akerman is the spelling she herself uses on her own web page, a proper spelling for this Canadian-since-a-baby. I changed the empty-but-for-BLP-template Talk:Malin Åkerman to redirect to the still-existing Talk:Malin Akerman, if anything further needs to be done there include that as well. —Gene Nygaard (talk) 13:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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Not only had the page been moved by cut-and-paste, but all reference to the Akerman spelling had been exorcised. Furthermore the discussion of Swedish å equals German o (no mention of English) might create a misleading impression that it could also be spelled Malin Okerman. Gene Nygaard (talk) 13:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For this kind of thing, you can probably just use WP:SPLICE. The cut-and-paster can initiate a normal move request if necessary after that. Dekimasu よ! 04:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Dekimasu. I wasn't aware of that, and will probably be using it some.  In this particular case, I likely would have gone to WP:RM anyway, to take care of it now.  Gene Nygaard (talk) 09:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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Singer?
It states in the first paragraph that she is a "model, actress, and singer", but there is no information in the article regarding her singing career, band, or album releases. If she does actually have a singing background, someone should add some creditable information (Band, position, instrument(s) played, album releases, etc) about it to the article, and don't forget your sources. Is this singing in the shower? For that, I'd gladly buy a ticket... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.254.40.129 (talk) 16:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Info has been removed. -Duribald (talk) 16:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Good you agreed. Without doing the research. Check her Swedish Wikipedia page. The information is there and she has indeed been a singer.


 * "Åkerman är sångerska i bandet The Petalstones (tidigare namngett Ozono)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.221.32.193 (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's very nice, and it's okay to add it if you have a reliable source, but why is it in the lead? Is she notable as a musician? Is it much more than a hobby? A lot of actors are in bands, that doesn't mean we mention it in the introductory sentence in the lead. -Duribald (talk) 22:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Åkerman
I know the subject of the spelling of her last name has been mentioned before, but I think it has be done spelled as it was originally. Since she is Swedish and her name is Swedish spells with Å and not A in Swedish media, therefore it should be moved to Åkerman. In the movie "27 dresses" and others, she is credited as Åkerman. http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=235&a=410640 http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=257&a=482372 True, it spells with an A on "her" website, but I doubt the reliability of her site just for the fact it has a link to IMDB right on the main page and the very first page seems like an advertisement for the watchmen movie. Norum (talk) 20:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Norum, the most obvious point to make is that both your citations are in Swedish. She may be Swedish, and the Swedish media may spell her name with Swedish diacritics.  This is not, however, the Swedish wikipedia.  It's the English wikipedia.  And the established fact is that her name typically drops the diacritic in English, and that is rightfully the name of the article.Erudy (talk) 22:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The point is that this is how the original media spell her name and her own website does not seem to be reliable source as it seem to be more of an advertisement than an actual website. So maybe we should change all the Näslunds, Jönssons and Försbergs into Naslunds, Jonssons and Forsbergs just because this is english Wikipedia? This is just ridiculous. The names should be as they are spelled in the original version. I looked for some other examples in english Wikipedia and I found some Polish names. It is Józef Piłsudski, Władysław Sikorski and Edward Rydz-Śmigły and not Jozef Pilsudski, Wladyslaw Sikorski and Edward Rydz-Smigly. And there are many more examples like that. If this is done with polish names, then it can be done with Åkerman's name as well. Or maybe now these will be changed too, because this is the english Wikipedia? Norum (talk) 01:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an interesting issue. According to Wikipedia policy you should use the version of the name found most commonly in the English language sources used for the article. However, this would mean that we would have to rename all articles about Swedish people, whose names contain å, ä, ö, é or è; for example Alexandra Dahlström or Tomas von Brömssen. English speaking media rarely to never use these letters, since they simply don't have them on their keyboards. Does this mean that they rename people? That there is an English language "version" of the name? Does miss Å/Akerman have two different names in the public records of Sweden and Canada? It's interesting philisophically, but this is Wikipeda and as I mentioned there is policy on the issue - Naming conventions (use English): "Follow the general usage in English verifiable reliable sources in each case, whatever characters may or may not be used in them.", "The references for the article should themselves be reliable sources; if one name is clearly most commonly used in the English-language references for the article, use it. If (as will happen occasionally) something else is demonstrably more common in reliable sources for English as a whole, and this is not a question of national varieties of English, use that instead." and "The native spelling of a name should generally be included in the first line of the article..." -Duribald (talk) 14:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Or...we could go around to all the Arabic, Asian, Hebrew, Cyrillic, etc. Wikipedias and demand they use the English spellings of people like Madonna and Kanye West. -- >David  Shankbone  17:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

This is really just about North Americans being lazy in learning the proper spelling of foreign last names. Of course it is different when it comes to non-latin alphabets. I think if we stick with using the original spelling of the name, it would give people in North America a little bit more perspective. I think there is no point in changing foreign sounding names (as used in an examples above) into the English spelling, but leave it in the original version, especially considering that if an English speaking person types the name the English way, it will still redirect them to the right person. Not to mention that Åkerman's titles on Wikipedia have her listed with Å, not A. Another example - Johan Åkerman, a Swedish hockey player. His name is spelled with Å on English language sites. Norum (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you make some interesting points, and there is certainly no consistency on Wikipedia in the application of policy - which is seen in the actual article, where she is called "Akerman" three times and "Åkerman" sixteen times. But there's actual policy on this one, and perhaps that policy should be discussed in general, rather than in the context of one article. In such a discussion I would probably agree with you - there's really no reason not to write people's names "properly", as long as it is in the latin alphabet and redirects are made from common English transliterations. -Duribald (talk) 01:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Also Anton Strålman...so many examples. Speaking of the policy, where can this be discussed? I mean this is something worth looking into. Norum (talk) 01:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Try the talk page of the policy itself: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(use_English). -Duribald (talk) 11:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This is hardly a question of North American laziness with spelling names correctly. This is a universal issue in languages that words need to conform to linguistic rules, including the alphabet used by a language. This is the English Wikipedia, and in English there is no "Å". Because "A" and "Å" look similar, we think it all makes sense and why not, but the discussion page Duribald links to above shows the silliness of how far this goes: All the foreign article names are absurd, but it's the policy. I'm sure one day I'll type in Warsaw and be redirected to Warszawa. --KP Botany (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I have placed a WP:RM request to move Libingan ng mga Bayani back to Cemetery of the Heroes. Further discussion of this move should take place at Talk:Libingan ng mga Bayani#Requested move. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC) Yes, we could also tell the Poles to rename Cemetery of the Heroes, which they call Cmentarz Bohaterów w Teguig, to be the standard Tagalog version of Libingan ng mga Bayani, but it doesn't make sense. We have a Tagalog Wikipedia, and this is not it. What is being argued is that everyone has to learn everyone else's languages and alphabets so so that we can comically watch our English readers struggle to pronounce and translate sounds, words and alphabets they have no familiarity with; nobody on the planet does this, unless you are learning Esperanto. -- >David  Shankbone  16:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting fact: The discussion on the page move of Libingan ng mga Bayani actually resulted in no move being done - because of the policy you're advocating. English is an official language of the Philipines, and consequently most English speaking sources refer to the place as Libingan ng mga Bayani - including the official act that renamed the place. Absurd? -Duribald (talk) 22:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

People's names are one thing, but places, especially with a longer name are something totally different. I have to agree on that one, it would not make sense. As for the A and Å. True, they look almost the same, but it totally changes the sound. Å is pronounced more o. Another thing I have noticed, Swedish names with é in them, are still being written like that in the English Wiki as such. It would be insane to switch all the foreign names into the english version, that is why I think Wiki should allow the original spelling of the names in here. Hitler is still listed as Adolf, not Adolph. de la Rosa is still Pedro, not Peter. Fisichella is still written as Giancarlo, not John Carl. There are so many examples. Norum (talk) 22:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a borderline case. If she still had Sweden as her base, it would be totally clear that she should be moved to Malin Åkerman, since that's her "real name". However, it seems she has emigrated more-or-less permanently to Canada, which could mean that she is naturalized under this spelling. If she works under "Akerman" there, it's probably better to list her under that spelling. Tomas e (talk) 22:17, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The same could be said for Swedish hockey players who've more or less emigrated to North America, someone like Nicklas Lidström (lived there for 20+ years) will probably never be referred to as Lidström in the US, just Lidstrom (as I think it says on his jersey), still doesn't change the Swedish name on the English wikipedia. chandler 20:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Move (2010)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 13:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Malin Åkerman → — Conventional spelling as demonstrated by survey of English language sources.

I propose that we restore the title to Malin Akerman, as was the previous (and only documented?) consensus at this page. Although originally Swedish, she has spent almost her entire life and professional career in Canada and the United States, where she is now based. Additionally and more importantly, she is almost universally referred to as Akerman rather than Åkerman in English language sources. Of course, the name Åkerman should be mentioned in the first lines of the article.Erudy (talk) 05:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC) The following are citations which use Akerman.
 * Malin Akerman's official website
 * BBC
 * CBC
 * The New Yorker
 * New York Times
 * TIME
 * Maxim
 * Vanity Fair
 * FOX News
 * Rotten Tomatoes
 * Esquire


 * Support another case of weird accents not used in English, but used on Wikipedia 76.66.193.119 (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not an accent or diatric. Nymf hideliho! 20:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an Å. walk victor falktalk 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment the 2007 move was never superceded, so this should be an automatic move, since the intervening move is a unilateral move against consensus. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 21:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously? It's three years old, a wikiternity, and no one responded to the request. walk victor falktalk 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Foreign media drops the Å, Ä and Ö for anyone from Sweden simply because it's convenient and they do not know how to type or pronounce the characters. That still doesn't mean that it's correct. See Alexander Skarsgård, for example, who is always referred to as Skarsgard. And he has only lived in the U.S. for a couple of years, so it's hardly a naturalized thing. Besides, Å and Ä is not pronounced A, nor is Ö pronounced O. Nymf hideliho! 00:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also obviously the fact that she still thinks of her name as Åkerman herself. See this interview. She describes the character as "an angel." Nymf hideliho! 00:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps calling the Å an "angel" is the best way to connect/communicate with Swedish audiences, like she is probably trying to do in the Swedish language interview you cite. Then again, the "foreign" media, and Akerman herself in her website, may drop the Å because they feel that it is the best way to communicate with their English speaking audiences.  I'm pretty sure that media organizations such as the BBC and the New York Times could render Å if they really wanted to.  (The BBC, for example, regularly provides information in over a dozen completely different scripts).  The fact is, dozens of professional editors have chosen to drop the Å, and in doing so they have created a de facto convention with regards to this person's name, a convention we should follow.  Erudy (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The Economist manual of style uses French, German, Spanish and Portuguese characters because they're large languages; read this  Language Johnson post over there: Style Guide entry of the week: Mission diacritical, it's a rather good one. I believe the New York Times doesn't use any character from Jersey foreign languages. Not sure about the BBC. The point is, they (and we) all have their own conventions, appropriate for their special circumstances and purposes (journalistic for them; encyclopedic for us, making your references entirely moot) and ours is wikipedia:manual of style (propernames)#diacritics. walk  victor falktalk</i> 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Our purpose as an encyclopedia is subverted when we take on spellings which are idiosyncratic as compared to established usage. It reduces our authority as a reference.  That's one of the reasons why our policy is to follow English usage as we find it in reliable sources.Erudy (talk) 00:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * WP:COMMON has to do with what name to use - not the spelling of it. Nymf hideliho! 09:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If she chose to spell her name with Cyrillic characters or Nordic Runes instead, that doesn't mean the article should be spelt that way. The common form is a standard A. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 19:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cyrillic and the futhark and are not Latin alphabets. The Swedish alphabet is, with 28 letters (no w but å ä ö). And think about the poor Italians with only 23 letters! How are they supposed to spell Kylie Wild? Quilie Vild? <sup style="color:green;">walk <i style="color:green;">victor falk</i><i style="color:green;">talk</i> 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That's ridiculous and rather offensive. This isn't a choice either, it's the name she was born with. Besides, neither of those are based on the Latin alphabet, whereas Å, Ä and Ö is. There is also a Latin alphabet form of most Cyrillic names, which is obviously what we use. Just out of curiosity, do you propose we move every single article on the English WP that doesn't use the standard A to Z characters? Such as Heinrich Böll, Chloë Sevigny, Penélope Cruz, Muhammed Suiçmez, etc? Nymf hideliho! 18:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Names are given, then chosen. Both by the individual, and by the community that uses the name.  Rather than articles titled William Jefferson Blythe III, Novak Đoković, Stefani Germanotta, Franz Josef Strauß, Cassius Clay, Jr, and Jonathan Leibowitz, we have Bill Clinton, Novak Djokovic, Lady Gaga, Franz Josef Strauss, Muhammed Ali, and Jon Stewart.  Names are plastic and mutable and change under the pressures of assimilation, artistic taste, convenience, religious and national identity, familial relationships, and so forth.  Rather than endlessly debate the presence and relative legitimacy of each of these factors (which tends to make any name choice POV in the end) the most neutral solution is to simply follow the conventions of the language as verified by the sources we use to build this encyclopedia.  That is our policy WP:NAME, and I believe that following it here would yield Malin Akerman. In the cases of Heinrich Böll, Chloë Sevigny, Penélope Cruz, Muhammed Suiçmez, the same process may very well uphold the current article names.Erudy (talk) 17:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem with switching Å for A is that Å is not a diacritic/accent (which completely invalidates the IP's "support" comment, by the way). It is two different letters. The use of an A in place of Å and Ä, or O in place of Ö, stems from ignorance. Anyway, if it is only a matter of changing the article name, though, then go for it, but the usage inside the article should still be Åkerman as it is her legal name. Nymf hideliho! 18:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and here's what the article on the letter Å says on the subject, Å. Nymf hideliho! 18:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ströng Øppose Ahem.... Manual_of_Style_(proper_names) sez: ::: Foreign proper names written in languages which use the Latin alphabet often include characters with diacritics, ligatures and others that are not commonly used in modern English. Wikipedia normally retains these special characters, except where there is a well-established English spelling that replaces them with English standard letters. For example, the name of the article on Hungarian mathematician Paul Erdős is spelt with the double acute accent, and the alternative spellings Paul Erdös and Paul Erdos redirect to that article. Similarly the name of the article on the Nordic god Ægir is so spelt, with redirects from the Anglicised form Aegir and the Swedish spelling Ägir. However, the article on the Spanish region of Aragón is titled Aragon, without the accent, as this is the established English name.

Proposals to cleanse the wikipedia from those awful little foreign squigglets and maintain the Alphabetical Purity of The Chosen Twenty Six come up regularly. Please read as an example Thingeyri#Requested_move.2C_2007|Talk|Þingeyri#Requested_move.2C_2007, I'm sure everyone will find both good and bad arguments they wouldn't have thought of themselves (if this bores you out of your mind, read the The Girl Who Fixed the Umlaut in the New Yorker for a good laugh). And think that Þ|thorn is mighty mysterious compared with a mildly surprised (or surprising?) "Åh." <sup style="color:green;">walk <i style="color:green;">victor falk</i><i style="color:green;">talk</i> 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * except where there is a well-established English spelling that replaces them with English standard letters That was the point of the citations: there is a well established English spelling that replaces the Å with A. Erudy (talk) 00:43, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Then why do these people only pop out of the woodwork for European titles with non-English letters? There were three Japanese names nominated on the same day as this article, but with nary an objection from the crowd. English alphabet is 26 characters, and English-speakers are more familiar with the Greek Alphabet than an eszett or thorn, but we disallow Greek. This is very biased against what a monoglot Anglophone would know, as Greek letters are taught in maths and science classes, while these various additions to the Latin alphabet of non-English letters are not taught in most English schools. Is this the English Wikipedia, or the not-English-but-Latin-derived Wikipedia? We have common usage in English for Akerman, and for tennis players, and we have a policies called WP:COMMONNAME and WP:USEENGLISH. Non-English lettering should be treated exactly the same way, since it's non-English, any other way shows favouritism towards some non-English populations over others. You should note that WP:POLICY says that policies override guidelines, and the MOS you link to is a guideline. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 06:13, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) <sup style="color:green;">walk <i style="color:green;">victor falk</i><i style="color:green;">talk</i> 15:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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Remove Canadian categories?
Åkerman has a Swedish passport and became an American citizen in October 2018. She lived in Canada for most of her life, but says she never was a citizen. So, should all the categories involving Canada, such as "20th-century Canadian actresses", be removed? Pancake (talk) 17:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Her Name again
I frankly don't care either way, but the article should:
 * mention and explain the issue.
 * be consistent.

Currently it looks amateurish. --91.5.109.82 (talk) 14:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)