Talk:Malin massacre

Finding Sources
In response to @AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam comments on the GA review I am starting this section as an attempt to search for more sources. Unfortunately I only speak English (and Italian which I doubt will be useful here) so my searches are limited to english

WP:TWL Searches

 * Malin massacre - I don't see anything useful not even the sources that are already covered
 * Malin Russky - ditto
 * Malin 1943 - ditto
 * Malyn massacre - ditto
 * Malyn 1943 -ditto

Cambridge University Press

 * Malin massacre - ditto
 * Malin Russky - ditto
 * Malin 1943 - ditto

Mohr Siebeck

 * Malin massacre - ditto
 * Malin Massaker - ditto
 * Malin 1943 -ditto

Nomos

 * Malin massacre - ditto
 * Malin Massaker - ditto
 * Malin Tschechisch - ditto
 * Malyn massacre - ditto
 * Malyn Massaker - ditto

Given this I am impressed the sources covered here were even found.

I then turn my attention to WikiData

I wonder if these sources from Malyn Raion are useful?

Now we are way out of my depth but maybe these pages are useful?
 * https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%97%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
 * https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%B9_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0

Very open to other ideas Czarking0 (talk) 16:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * All right, and one more thing, I'm taking down some of the photos that infringe copyright. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 19:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Totally fair, I actually think the photos can be reproduced under creative commons; however, the copyright tag the author used in the upload is wrong so fair to take it down Czarking0 (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I propose to extend the conversation because I see that @Glaube has taken to correcting, I will do the same this article has a lot of potential to become good so it should be exploited AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 15:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Due to the fact that I am traumatised and do not want to work on wikipedia any more, I am passing on my articles to AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam I hope you will take care of them, because it is obvious that you know a lot. (after a private conversation on discord, I agree publicly here) Birczenin (talk) 09:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I hope you'll be back even in a few years AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 09:56, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Should the article as it stands be C class?
I have pointed out issues in the GAN and it has been a few days since response. I think as it currently stands the article may be closer to C class than the B it is given. Curious what others think

Should the Names Be In English?
The article was original written with names like "Malin Czech". I believe this conforms to the MOS. Other users have modified it to use more polish spelling. This is intuitive to me. Is there a norm or guideline to point to? Czarking0 (talk) 04:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I think the same, but I think the Polish spelling should stay, but this sentence belongs to birczenin, if he answers, because he got blocked on the Polish wikipedia and has not been active since. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 09:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you expand on why he was blocked? I am thinking of failing the GAN for low activity in response to my comments. However, your recent revisions made me leave it open. If he does not plan on returning I am ok to fail the article and you could take it over? Czarking0 (talk) 03:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In the sense he left because he was terribly trashed on the Polish wikipedia, good then I will take over and correct all the mistakes right away and everything should be fine, give me a few hours. AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 06:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Well-written
Generally all typos have been corrected but I don't really understand what these passages are about could you explain in advance thank you:)


 * The prose relies heavily on names of people (some of which are historians) which I presume the reader would not find notable outside of this account. I recommend going through the article and deciding which names are really notable.
 * "Ukrainian authors, on the other hand ... accuse only Poles (or Uzbeks as well) of aiding in the crime" conveys the meaning better if it is amended to "aiding the SS in"

AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 06:39, 17 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Czarking0 I forgot to mention you AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 09:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For the first point, I will collect here some names. This is to highlight how many proper names are used throughout the article. Proper names are burdensome on the in experienced reader because they need to start remembering a bunch of new words (the names).
 * Malynsky, Rakovník, Žatec, Louna, Władysław Siemaszko, Jared McBride, Sydir Kovpak, Commissariat Dubno, Ostrożec, Olyka, Jaroslav Procházka, Josef Dobry, Bedřich Činka, Procházka Commission, Zamczysko, Olga Trichleb, Ludmila Činková, Pyany, Ołyka, Grzegorz Motyka.
 * As an exercise you could go through each of the names and ask yourself. Why are these names notable to the reader? If I did not use the proper name would the notability of the facts I am trying to convey be lessened? My guess is that in many cases if you did away with the names the facts would be equally notable.
 * Take Bedřich Činka as an example. Why is it particularly notable that villagers were burnt in his barn? If instead the text was "Bedridden patients from the hospital in Malin Czeski were dragged to another local barn and burnt to death". Would that be less notable? Removing proper names like this makes it easier for the reader to understand the article as a whole rather than spening a lot of time trying to remember who each of these people are.
 * Also is Jaroslav Procházka really the same guy that has this WP article?
 * For the second point, I think it is unclear whom is being aided. Czarking0 (talk) 16:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay fine when I find the time I will correct the whole article and re-nominee it and mention you thank you for pointing things out:) AleszJaTuTylkoSprzątam (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)