Talk:Mallorca

Local language
Who defines what a 'local' language is? Spanish is, by far, the widest native languaje of the Mallorca population. Hence, I do not think saying that catalan is the local language is correct. Should be considered to be removed or fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.31.130.214 (talk) 01:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 16 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: MOVED Supporters overall argued that the English-language sources were split, and so to go with consistency with Menorca. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Majorca → Mallorca – Mostly to be consistent with Menorca. I'm surprised no one requested this move given the tons of ink spilled at Minorca/Menorca, but the rationale is as strong here as it was there (i.e., not super strong, but arguable). Here are some 21st-century comparisons for "Majorca is" vs. "Mallorca is": Google Books since 2001: Majorca - 952 Mallorca - 768 Google Scholar since 2010: Majorca - 229 Mallorca - 629 Google News since 2010: Majorca - 2,700 Mallorca - 2,320 An ngram through 2008 is largely inconclusive. Sources are super split. To be honest, I probably wouldn't support this move if presented on its own. Given last year's move of Menorca, however, I find that consistency, though the lowliest of title considerations, is nonetheless enough of a reason to make this move. Dohn joe (talk) 03:20, 16 May 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.  Anarchyte ( work  &#124;  talk )  04:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Weak support per nom, I guess. No such user (talk) 11:59, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Move Menorca per WP:UE instead.  —  AjaxSmack  21:03, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be fine, except for the successful RM over there. The point here is consistency. Whatever rationale holds for one holds for the other. I'd be happy to put this RM on hold if you want to try to reverse last year's decision. If not, though, let's match 'em up. Dohn joe (talk) 01:02, 23 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nominator and per Menorca. --Iiii I I I (talk) 05:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Agree that what matters most here is consistency with Menorca (even if I personally use the term Minorca)...--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:34, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. What matters here is the WP:COMMONNAME. From the above evidence, it appears that unlike the Menorca situation, the Spanish and Catalan version "Mallorca" hasn't become more common in the sources.--Cúchullain t/ c 20:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It's actually almost identical. Some sets of sources prefer one, some the other. I'd be happy to recreate the results for Menorca/Minorca here, if you'd like. Dohn joe (talk) 22:00, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Lean toward support, but it's not a big deal for me. Tony (talk)  05:58, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support BBC has been "Mallorca" for years but UK newspapers are still split https://www.theguardian.com/travel/mallorca https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/essential-mallorca-n8mrf5nhd https://www.thesun.co.uk/where/mallorca/ follow the name used on departure boards at Gatwick and Luton, but The Telegraph and The Mirror are still sticking with the British colonial name. It's pretty clear the way the wind has blown though. Most UK people know the place from what is printed on their holiday tickets. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CONSISTENCY, with the other potential determiners being inconclusive. Another consideration is that of beyond-the-UK.  Over here in Yankeeland, we're plenty familiar with Spanish and that language's ll for y (as in tortilla), so we generally use Mallorca.  Majorca looks like an obsoletism, like calling China Cathay.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:50, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Mallorca (duouble L pronounces as "j" in Castellian Spanish) But the issue here is how it is spelled in English ? We use "Vienna" not "Wien", "Rome" not "Roma", "Cologne" not "Köln", "Copenhagen" not "København". This is NOT taking side in the Spain vs Catalonia question, only the English (and in this case, the British English) spelling counts. Boeing720 (talk) 07:53, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
 * List of English exonyms shows that most are defunct. The trend is always against them. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose per COMMONNAME, Reading up about it there seems to be a lot of confusion over where "Majorca" comes from but in others it states it's used in Spain as well here in the UK, Anyway oppose per CN and no objections to moving once sources start using the Malorca name. – Davey 2010 Talk 18:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency, as sources do not indicate a strong preference. Feels like the switch from Bombay to Mumbai. — JFG talk 11:35, 31 May 2018 (UTC)


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Now that it's been moved, the instances of Majorca within the article should be changed to Mallorca (except for the very first instance in the lead). --184.248.216.137 (talk) 21:35, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I broke off the 2 sentences in the lead to be the Etymology section, as the topic is not otherwise discussed in the main body if article. Given all the discussion above, perhaps some explanation of the two spellings could be added to Etymology. - - Prairieplant (talk) 15:03, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 29 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. per discussion consensus, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:TITLECHANGES. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Mallorca → Majorca – Majorca is used by major English sources such as Britanica, Trip Advisor , Tui , The Telegraph and the BBC. Besides the reason most commonly given to move the article to 'Mallorca' in the first place was 'consistency with Menorca'. This is irrelevant because: A) Wikipedia uses the most common name; whether or not it is consistent doesn’t always matter. B) A lot of English sources Majorca and Menorca together such as the BBC article I have referenced. Ale3353 (talk) 15:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I was in the mood to make a table. From what I found, there's not really any preference towards either name. And actually, I found this article in The Times that suggests "Majorca" is the British spelling of the island whereas "Mallorca" is the rest-of-the-world spelling of the island.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 02:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Source !! "mallorca" spain !! "majorca" spain
 * + Bait30's assortment of reliable sources, search terms, and number of results
 * The New York Times|| 529|| 960
 * Deutsche Welle|| 127|| 34
 * Reuters|| 1596|| 1576
 * CNN||146||11
 * RTÉ||261||222
 * NPR||43||21
 * The Times||1362||1112
 * The Wall Street Journal||5||0
 * The Age||200||149
 * BBC by No such user (talk) ||~110 || ~80
 * }
 * Oppose. Moved here 3 years ago, cherry-picked sources in the nomination are unimpressive. Evidence presented by Bait30 as well as in the previous RM suggests that both names are in similar circulation, so the consistency argument pulls a significant weight. And WP:TITLECHANGES. No such user (talk) 08:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The Times||1362||1112
 * The Wall Street Journal||5||0
 * The Age||200||149
 * BBC by No such user (talk) ||~110 || ~80
 * }
 * Oppose. Moved here 3 years ago, cherry-picked sources in the nomination are unimpressive. Evidence presented by Bait30 as well as in the previous RM suggests that both names are in similar circulation, so the consistency argument pulls a significant weight. And WP:TITLECHANGES. No such user (talk) 08:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * BBC by No such user (talk) ||~110 || ~80
 * }
 * Oppose. Moved here 3 years ago, cherry-picked sources in the nomination are unimpressive. Evidence presented by Bait30 as well as in the previous RM suggests that both names are in similar circulation, so the consistency argument pulls a significant weight. And WP:TITLECHANGES. No such user (talk) 08:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Moved here 3 years ago, cherry-picked sources in the nomination are unimpressive. Evidence presented by Bait30 as well as in the previous RM suggests that both names are in similar circulation, so the consistency argument pulls a significant weight. And WP:TITLECHANGES. No such user (talk) 08:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per User:Bait30 and User:No such user (sic). If usage is mixed, use English.  —  AjaxSmack  16:50, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm confused by your statement. We said oppose, so I'm unsure how you can say support per my argument.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 20:06, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You presented evidence showing that there's "not really any preference towards either name". In that case, let's use English in line with policy. —  AjaxSmack  03:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Where are you seeing that "Mallorca" isn't English? If anything, "Mallorca" better fulfills WP:RECOGNIZABILITY.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 13:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked, BBC and New York Times were written in English. Or was it something awfully close resembling it? No such user (talk) 20:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Harper Collins Spanish Concise Dictionary - Majorca.jpg, and both of them use "Majorca" based on links given above. —  AjaxSmack 03:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * They use both, without apparent preference. BBC added. Are you saying that Medieval Latin "Majorca" is somehow more "English" than modern Spanish "Mallorca"? No such user (talk) 08:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know any medieval Latin, but my modern translation dictionary (which reads "Revised and Updated for the 21st Century") only gives "Majorca" for the modern English and Mallorca for the modern Spanish. See image over here. —  AjaxSmack  16:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC) →


 * Oppose. Cherry-pick sources all you want - no one denies that SOME people use the J - or just... aggregate all high-level uses at once. Oh look! Mallorca overtook Majorca thirty years ago. This article has the right title. Red   Slash  18:42, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Oppose - Support because the name sounds better and it's what everyone's used to calling it. Oppose because under Google News "Majorca" has 139,000 results, Mallorca has 28,500,000 . As much as I really want to there's no valid reason to support moving other than preference. – Davey 2010 Talk 14:00, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * oppose per Bait and No such user—blindlynx (talk) 19:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Both names are regularly used in English-language sources, but the current one appears to be more commonly used.--Yaksar (let's chat) 20:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Tourism stats
The chart Top 10 arrivals by nationality appears to be six years out of date. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2022 (UTC)