Talk:Malvern, Worcestershire/Archive 4

Agricultural history
Malvern is mentioned as follows in: R. C. Gaut, A history of Worcestershire agriculture and rural evolution, Littlebury & Company Ltd. The Worcester Press, Worcester, 1939. Thought I would put it in while I have the book at hand, in case of interest to anyone else, but I have no margin to write it into article and I find the Determinants fiasco very worrisome.

(indexed under Malvern)

p.5 rainfall and sunshine 1926-1935

p.9 Roman roads: "From Droitwich, ... (to) Worcester, where the ford was crossed, pursuing its course over the Wych at Malvern. A lesser track descended form the Malvern camps on Midsummer Hill and the Herefordshire Beacon to the Severn ford at the Rhydd and hence to Worcester."

p.59- early 16th century encroachments: "An old manuscript book in which the following had been copied related to such encroachments on Powick Hams in 1508: " Thos. Kedgworth, of new elected and chosen Prior of Much Malvern, by a feigned and unrightful title claimeth our said Common to be his domain ... "

p.61 in 15th and 16th centuries, townships obtained grants from monarchs to hold markets and fairs: "Malvern Great: The market-cross now stands on a wall below Belle Vue Terrace, if and when a market was held here are not known."

p.118 17th century : To reduce damage to roads (nationally) statute of George I in 1719 fixed number of horses for carts and carriages; in 1752 special regulations included allowing 7 horses up Malvern Hill.

p.119 give schedule of stage coach and mail between Worcester and London; in 1758 regular post started between Worcester and Great Malvern on Monday Thursday and Saturday.

p.119 re letting of farms: an ad in a Worcester newspaper: 40 acres half arable half pasture within 100 yards of Malvern Chace, rent 24 pounds.

p.158 "Malvern Wells in 1763 was already a fashionable resort.

p.258 re dispute about establishment of corn exchange in Worcester, Henry Lakin of Malvern was prominent in "farmer's party"

p.261 re rise in agricultural education: "At Malvern in 1849 a course of agricultural lectures was advertised to be given by 'Dr. Robinson, one of the most eminent Professors of the theory and practice of agricultural science'".

p.262 "At Malvern, boys and girls of 10 to 12 years left school almost entirely to drive donkeys for visitors"

p.272 re hop growing, table entry for Malvern: 1825 80 1/2 acres, average 1829-1835 acres 74 3/8, pounds of hops charged 13,317, duty 110 pounds 19 and sixpence, 1844 acres 49 3/4.

p.293 re hops "Piece work rates for picking were being advocated. One growe in 1840 put average cost when paid at 1 s. per day plus drink at 11s 8 1/4d per cwt. The cost of picking by the bushel amounted to 5s 6d or 6s including the allowance for drink, the prices varying from 1d. to 2d. per bushel according to crop.A good picker could earn 1s 6d per day ..." (photos of hop pickers from Black Country mentioned in article already, would be nice if this info could go into an article about Hoppers -- there is an article about Hoppers Huts that was wildly misleading -- managed to correct it a while back -- but suggestion it be changed to Hoppers was beaten down with suggestion new article be started)

p.296 re agricultural shows: "Malvern Horticultural and Floral Society. Founded in July 1850. Prizes for vegetables - amateurs and cottager's sections, and cottage gardens.

p.310 new railway lines: 1864 Malvern to Tewkesbury via Upton on Severn

p.322 (Worcestershire generally) "With growth of business and population local authorities had to " provide water supplies. From 1851 ... to Great Malvern ... (n.b. phones in Worcester in 1880)

p.329 re Herefordshire Agricultural Society "The 1871 event at Malvern ended with disaster; on the last day a high wind blew down the flower tent, then the coverings of the cattle shed and sheep pens, the poultry tent, and rent the refreshment tent."

p.354 "'Malvern Poultry show' held in the Promenade Gardens, in 3 tents on 21 and 22 Septemebr 1853, was the first county show (for poultry) but it only survived 2 years."

p.355 Edward Archer of Malvern, was prolific exhibitor of poultry at other shows, also George McCann of Malvern and C.H. Wakefield of Malvern Wells exhibited.

p.360 re introduction of agricultural use of steam power"In 1864 ... Henry Allsopp, Hindlip Hall, purchased an engine and a set of Howard's 3-tine double-acting cultivators and placed them on view at the Beauchamp Hotel, Malvern. 'After inspecting the engine ... (he threw) a bumper of champagne over it ..."

p.367 re prices for farms being sold off by aristocracy "1910 North End Farm Malvern 138 acres 3,900 pounds"

p.370 In 1904 Malvern installed electricity works in Pickersleigh Road (presumably first)

p.371 In 1906 Malvern installed bore holes at Bromsberrow to augment water supply.

(more indexed under Malvern per se that I will not put in now for logistical reasons items indexed under Malvern Hills etc follow)

p.2 Longdon Brook and is numerous tributaries rise in the Malvern Hills, discharging into the Severn near Pull Court.

p.3 The oldest rocks in Worcestershire ... pre Cambrian ... occur on Malvern Hills ... quarried debris widely scattered over farms of contiguous parishes giving rise to "rotchy" soils

p.176 re importance of sheep in Worcestershire "Flocks on the Malvern Hills in 1776 numbered 300 to 400, 'kept without turnips by the support of hay in winter. Commonage for sheep for the summer could be hired at 1s 6d per head"

p.396 re national and county animal health regulations: in 1905 "in September, the veterinary inspectors reported no trace of scab among the 6,127 sheep examined on the common lands, including the Malvern Hills"

p.373 following establishment of County Councils, in 1891 Worcestershire CC inaugurated technical instruction classes in (a) General agriculture, chemistry of crops, manures, feeding  stuffs and (b) Veterinary science: shoeing feeding and management of animals" with Malvern Link as one of the teaching sites.

p.397 poultry (again) great improvement in breeds on farms in Malvern, Malvern Link, Wyche

p.435 tomatoes "In 1912 appeared the range of glasshouses in a field at Pickersleigh, Malvern Link, extended in 1914; in that year the proprietors showed a photographic film in the local cinema of the premises where they produced the Malvoma brand of tomatoes"

p.266 re enclosures act of 1847 award 1850 "With respect to Welland this was by far the most interesting of the Worcestershire enclosures because it settled the long-disputed question of the boundary between parishes of Welland and Little Malvern ... "

p.344 re pedigree shorthorns Richard Guilding of Malvern Wells major breeder

p.350 re outbreak of "Russian plague" or rinderpest, "Cattle diseases prevention act", Benjamin Hall of Malvern Wells was appointed as one of the people authorized to grant licenses for movement of animals within the county.

p.407 whole paragraph about rose growing by R. Foley Hobbs -- hundreds of awards, indexed under Malvern Wells, but has Worcester address on p.407, but Mrs. Foley Hobbs already in article for her rose.

Michael P. Barnett (talk) 03:49, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Time is inelastic. If (when) I can get back to this, should it go under History or Agriculture? Michael P. Barnett (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't had time to  go  through  the whole list, but  the Malvoma tomatoes strikes a twinge of nostaligia. It  was an important  enterprise in  Malvern and I  grew up  within  a few hundred metres of the vast  extent  of greenhouses known as 'Tomatoland', now a modern housing  estate. For many  years, the small convenience store they  operated was the only  shopping facility  for the very  large nearby ministry  housing estate built for the employees of RRE in  1953. As it  can be referenced, it's probably  worth  a mention. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Recent edits ( June 211)
I have removed some information about what might happen to railway connections in 2012. This was unsourced speculation. The encyclopedia must deal with reportable historical facts. I have also removed some unnecessary duplication from he lead, made some minor prose tweaks, and removed a spam link. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Updated hospital information. Following links are no  longer valid: --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:48, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Malvern Wells '', The Times, Issue 2133, Tuesday, Sep. 20, 1791, p.2, col C. (info) [ggimg.com] (dead)
 * What is a town, parish or community council? (info) [nalc.gov.uk] accessdate=26 December 2009 publisher=National Association of Local Councils (soft 404 - page no  longer available)
 * Malvern U3A (info) [malvernu3a.org.uk] accessdate=13 February 2011 publisher=Malvern U3A) (dead)

Requesting peer review before nominating for FA
I've listed this article at peer review to  obtain  some independent  assessment  before eventually nominating  it  for FA. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Peer review now taking place at Peer review/Malvern, Worcestershire/archive1. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:44, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Climate
Can all this be verified for sources? The wording seems too  good to  be true, and we must  avoid any  copyvio. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

If the climate section was added by  Gyro then there can be no doubt  as the item's fidelity  to  Wikipedia policies. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:34, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

TRE/RRE
If there are no  objections, I  will  reduce this. It lends undue weight as to what  is actually  done there. It is indeed the most important  feature of Malvern's growth  over more than half a century, but  the details of what they  actually  do there are best  kept  in  its own  Wikipedia article which  is linked. I am nevertheless surprised to see that  two immort and developments that  came out of the place,  the cavity  magnetron  and the LED are not worthy  of a mention. I thought I had put them in there at  some stage but  it  seems to  have got lost. The TRE/RRE articles have been exceptionally well developed by  Michael  recently. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I've given it a month and no objections have been raised so I've pruned this section. See the collapsed info below for what has been removed and could be used to  expand the dedicated article(s) about  TRE, RRE, RSRE, QinetiQ, etc.

TRE and RRDE were vital to defence and then victory in World War II. Winston Churchill's personal "knowledge of radar dated from 25 July 1935 --- within twenty-four hours of ... experiments proving ... aircraft could be pinpointed by using radio waves." Later, " Every day [ Sir Robert Renwick ] would phone [staff at TRE], asking 'any news, any problems' [and these would be] dealt with by Renwick's immediate access to Churchill ".

Defence projects involved radio navigation. Further projects developed ways to disrupt the use of such resources by hostile forces, and CRT developments were vital to radar during the war. So was work on the cavity magnetron The AI trainer saved an estimated 50 million pounds in aviation fuel. Heat detecting semiconductor devices were vital to guided missiles soon after the war.

TRE, RRDE, and RRE, under their original and later names have made many major contributions to science and technology at large. Besides the observation and theoretical analysis of radio phenomena, the RRE Physics Department, with a staff of 150 scientists, played a major pioneering role in solid state physics in England, leading to extensive results that enriched the understanding of fundamental scientific principles and practical applications in electronics for industry and the home. The CRT work led to the development of the Williams tube at Manchester University that gave major impetus to the British computer industry.

Hidden note: ''Three members of TRE won Nobel prizes, for their later work. Five became university Vice-Chancellors. One became Astronomer Royal. Many more went on to professorships in Great Britain and the United States. One former member was made a life peer and served for a year in the cabinet. At least eight were knighted, in later years, and at least ten became Fellows of the Royal Society. Over 60 books were written by members of TRE and RRE at various times.''

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:36, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Notable people
I'm very  sorry  about  this but  I  have had to  temporarily  remove one person  from  the list (whom  I actually  added myself). Local residents do not  feel  that  the connection  with  the town is sufficient  for being  listed here.

*Michael P.  Barnett, theoretical chemist and computer scientist. Held a Senior Government Fellowship At the Royal Radar Establishment where he worked on aspects of theoretical solid state physics, and organic semiconductors. I have however restored Jenny  Lind  to  the list.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikitrip stats
|en|Malvern,%20Worcestershire|1317793067|1 here --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:58, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Referencing
Please note the special referencing system: Please be sure to do  this if adding  new refs because there are a lot  of them and it  takes hours to  sort them  out  later -  each  edit  has to  be done separately to  record in  the es exactly  what  was done to  be able to  keep  track  of it, each change requires 2 edits, and on  my  slow connection, each  save/reload can take up  to  5 minutes. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Inline:
 * In the 'References' section: The body of the reference. Use cite temples, and list  refs in  alphabetical order.

Is Malvern, Worcestershire twinned with Malvern, Victoria, Australia?
This article suggests otherwise: www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/8808734.Town_considers_twinning_with_Czech_community/ Mhygelle (talk) 16:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Reliable source contradicts unsourced statement in article so I removed it. --Bob Re-born (talk) 16:18, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't know who added that. I  concur with  the removal. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Excessive details of local histories
I think that this detailed information on local historical publications and activities is completely WP:UNDUE.
 * Several narrative and pictorial accounts are available locally. The website of the Malvern Family History Society provides a list of them and describes where they can be obtained. In particular, a pictorial history contains photographs of rural roads and landscapes, quarries, shops, streets, cottages and manors, schools, churches, railways, donkeys, horse carriages and early cars, gracious interiors, the toposcope, a bonfire, a rag and bone man, osier cutters, hop pickers from a Midlands town, James Wilson and James Manby Gully (water cure doctors), soldiers and nurses of World War I, brass bands, a horse drawn fire company, the Baden-Powell's, Haile Selassie, Mrs. Foley Hobbs (namesake of a famous rose), William Crump (horticultural Victoria Medallist), Jenny Lind, Stewart Granger, Elspeth March, Wendy Hiller and Ernest Thesiger in a group at the Malvern Festival. Our Malvern contains oral history and photographs of the Queen Mother, the Duke of Edinburgh, Edward Elgar with George Bernard Shaw, J. B. Priestley with James Bridie, Alastair Sim and Eileen Beldon at the Malvern Festival, Reginald Dixon (theatre organist), Arthur Troyte Griffith, Free French cadets, scientists from the Telecommunications Research Establishment, cricket, football and a ladies golf team and marathon runners.

Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. it was also  added in  good faith  by  another editor who  appears to  be no  longer active. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Busses: remove table
Bus routes: Every time I go to Malvern (approx every 12 months) the bus routes have changed again. There is no direct  route  to  Worcester Hospital  anymore, some operators have changed yet  again, and many of the links to  the timetables are now dead.

With all due respect to  the editor (no  longer active on Wikipedia) who  provided this information, as the  details are volatile and therefore unreliable, I am  suggesting  removing the table entirely, leaving  a prose section  that describes bus services generally. If there are no objections, I will  do  this in the next  few days. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:54, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:05, 11 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Prose section expanded.  Table removed at  . Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (Online)
These references require a subscription to access the full text:  

I've added dead link tags and an explanation, but I'm not sure what the policy is re. websites that require a subscription. Any advice would be gratefully appreciated. Mhygelle (talk) 20:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That a site requires a subscription is usually noted in the citation, but otherwise, they can used like any other source (WP:PAYWALL) and should not be tagged as dead (unless they actually are dead). In this case, virtually everyone in the UK can access the ODNB by putting in their library card number, so it's not a particularly contentious case. Regards, - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 20:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * You need subscription required not dead link in this situation. Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your prompt replies and advice. I didn't realise the ODNB could be accessed with a library card number. I'll replace the tags asap. Mhygelle (talk) 20:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Excessive details in Places of Worship
This section, again  added in good faith  by  a now non-active user, appears to  simply  add clutter. and none of it is referenced. I think it's only necessary  to  provide a short overview mentioning  some for the more notable  places of worship.


 * Pevsner mentions the following 19th and early 20th century churches in Malvern in his book on Worcestershire: All Saints, (The Wyche), 1903, by Nevinson and Newton (or possibly Troyte Griffith); St. Andrew in Poolbrook, 1885, contains a font inscribed 1724, by Blomfield; Ascension (Leigh Sinton Road) 1903, by Sir Walter Tapper, with a high metal screen by G. Bainbridge Reynolds; Christ Church (Avenue Road), 1875-6, by T.D.Barry & Sons, with unexpected cross gable; Chapel of the Convent of the Holy Name, (Ranelagh Road), 1893, by Comper, with wagon roof and stained glass; St. Joseph (Newtown Road), 1876, by T.R. Donnelly; St. Matthias (Church Road), original by Sir Giles Gilbert Scott, 1844–46, enlarged and altered by F.W. Hunt, 1880–81, painted dado and stained glass; Our Lady and St. Edmund (College Road), 1905, by P. P. Pugin; St. Peter (St. Peter's Road), 1863-6, by G. E. Street, with crazy paving of Malvern granite; Holy Trinity, (Worcester Road), 1850-1, by S. Daukes, enlarged 1872 by Haddon brothers; with plate and stained glass; Congregational Church, (Queen's Drive), 1875, by J. Tait of Leicester; Emmanuel, (Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion), 1874, by Haddon brothers.

I have been working on a stand-alone article for a couple of years here,. My research for the article is now complete and will  be added to  the article when I  have time but  there is no  set deadline. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

People connected with Malvern
This is a long list and should this article ever be nominated for FA, it would almost certainly be criticised by the reviewer(s). A suggestion would be to  reduce it  to  a prose section,  per MoS, about  some of the most  notable, and create a separate category  or list  article instead if everyone on  the list  cannot  be reasonably  accommodated in  one prose section. An example is Guildford. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Finally getting ready  for FA
Malleus has kindly pointed out  some issues, namely:
 * The ISBN for Waite (1968) is clearly wrong. Is that perhaps an ASIN? If so, you don't need it, as it's unique to Amazon.✅ Mhygelle (talk) 09:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to make the population growth table more accessible for visually impaired readers by scoping the rows and columns. Probably ought to make the year column sortable as well.
 * partially ✅ but  don't  quite understand what  is reauired here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm very unconvinced by the Television section. What has Elgar cycling through the Malvern Hills got to do with either the town or the civil parish?

I've updated this section to make it clear that several scenes in Elgar were filmed on location in Malvern. I've removed the reference to the opening scene. As I recall, it features an establishing shot of Malvern and the Hills but I'm not sure how to incorporate this. Cite video perhaps? Mhygelle (talk) 10:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You've got a section on health care, but you also need something on the provision of public utilities, police and emergency services etc. ✅Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:23, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You'll get a lot of grief over that bulleted list of notable people, and rightly so. In what way does someone dying in the town make them worthy of mention, for instance? So Nigel Kennedy has a home in Malvern, so what? For all we know it's up for sale and he'll be moving out tomorrow.
 * You need to combine those tiny subsections in Tansport. ✅
 * I don't see what architecture has to do with culture. I think you ought to consider separating out a Landmarks section for stuff such as the Council House and the Lawnside School for Girls, and probably the public artworks as well. In general I think the Culture section is very muddled, and here's one example from the Music section: "A sculpture group by artist Rose Garrard comprising the Enigma fountain together with a statue of Elgar gazing over Great Malvern stands on Belle Vue Terrace in the town centre. The Elgar Route, a 40-mile (64 km) drive passing some key landmarks from Elgar's life, passes through Malvern." What has any of that to do with music, particularly music in general,
 * Malvern water would seem better under Economy than culture to me.

I'll start  addressing  these points but  if anyone wants to  dive in  and help  they  are more than welcome to do  so. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:19, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Population
That population is the population for the Malvern Hills council area, not the town of Malvern, and is thus drastically wrong (the real population is roughly 30,000). I would do it myself but wikipedia have changed the editing system and I don't understand how it works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theconorra (talk • contribs) 20:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

To Do
Run this check and update links or find new sources. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:16, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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School merge
I have suggested that The Downs Malvern should be merged to the Malvern article as it is a non-notable primary school, as per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Any comments would be appreciated. CalzGuy (talk) 10:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) Absolutely not, . This is a particularly notable school and a stable article for 12 years, contributed to by serious, highly experienced editors. Just because it's a primary school doesn't mean we systematically deete all primary schools OUTCOMES is neither a policy nor a guideline but is supportive of Wikipedia's generally inclusonist philosophy. In fact it's even slated to become a Good Article sometime soon. Please take a moment to learn more about how Wikipedia works, before making more such suggestions.
 * 2) Malvern is a Good Artice. It's not far off being prepared for FA. The last thing it needs now is unnecessary additions additions. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * So what is particularly notable about it? And when you say it is slated to be a good article soon, how come it is assessed as Start class?There is nothing in the article about the school except a bit of history and a bunch of unreferenced former pupils WP:INHERIT. The Auden stuff could easily be merged into his article, if it's not already there, and the history could easily go to a section in Malvern, or in Malvern College. The article title is not even the correct school name. It has 5 references and no photography. It is nowhere near being a Good Article. CalzGuy (talk) 14:09, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Its more notable features include its founding as a Quaker school, the Downs Light Railway and the historical association with W H Auden. The article name has nothing to do with whether the article should be kept. This nomination is bordering on the mischievious, your time would be better spent improving the article. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 17:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Can I just point out that the school isn't actually in Malvern - it's in not only a different parish but a different county!! If it's going to be merged it should be with Colwall. Sumorsǣte (talk) 18:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You can indeed,, and thank you  for doing  so - It would certainly  not  belong  in  the Malvern article. Nevertheless, as a point  of interest, the large village of Colwall is right on the border of Worcestershire-Hereforshire and being  well within  the urban agglomeration  of Mavern, is actually  one of its (non political) suburbs. It's 5 minutes by train, 10 minutes by car from Great Malvern, but a 40 minute drive to Hereford, its county town. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

I was asked to comment, as I've frequently been involved in schools discussions. Junior high schools and the (approximate) UK equivalent, preparatory schools, are not generally notable. There are exceptions, and in practice the basic criterion is that the schools are nationally known (as for many other types of organizations). Due to the unique nature of the UK educational system, such schools are often found in the UK (many of the intermediate schools elsewhere are either intermediate school combined with secondary schools, or International schools which are a special case, but a number are left-overs from before the schools compromise was established & really should be merged).

This particular school is not just nationally known, but internationally, and not just well-known, but famous. In the days before the schools compromise, the best way to establish s school as notable was to shown famous alumni. This school clearly qualifies.

If we were to rely on the GNG, there would be no trouble showing this notable. And if we ever did merge, the appropriate merge would be with the associated secondary school.  DGG ( talk ) 19:13, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. Can you clarify what you mean by 'nationally known'? For a nationally known school, I would expect not insignificant coverage in national newspapers or other media and I just can't find it. Am I missing something? CalzGuy (talk) 16:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I have been wondering about that too. There are several Downs Schools and in such a situation finding relevant hits on any related topic is hard work. Googling "The downs" "light railway" -"south downs" gets 5,340 hits, while "The downs" "W H Auden" hits 9.840 and on Google Books 1,610. Checkout too the Wikipedia articles which link to it. I don't know how other primary and preparatory schools compare with that kind of statistic, but this article clearly passes GNG. If I were to take any merge proposal seriously, it would be to merge the Downs Light Railway into the school article, although I suspect that the railway wikiproject would have something to say about that. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * There are lots of miniature railways that have their own articles, even if they are part of a park, school, etc otherwise. I suggest keeping things as they are, both for the school and the railway articles. Sumorsǣte (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Your recent edits have improved the article significantly. If it is merged I'm pretty agnostic about destination but as you say it is looking unlikely now. CalzGuy (talk) 20:47, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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External links modified
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I have just modified 3 external links on Malvern, Worcestershire. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090429042346/http://malvern-hills.co.uk/malvernspa/msainfo/msa-now.html to http://www.malvern-hills.co.uk/malvernspa/msainfo/msa-now.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110408010203/http://www.nicholsonorgans.co.uk/portfolio.asp to http://www.nicholsonorgans.co.uk/portfolio.asp
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120328094816/http://www.malvern-concert-club.co.uk/Home.html to http://www.malvern-concert-club.co.uk/Home.html

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