Talk:Mammootty/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Tayi Arajakate (talk · contribs) 00:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello Paavamjinn, I'll take up the review for this nomination and will present it to you shortly. I hope you find my feedback helpful. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 00:55, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , sorry for the delayed review. I've gone through the article now and I should say this looks like a premature nomination, quite a bit of work is necessary before it can be promoted. See the points below and feel free to ask me if you have any queries or objections. If you want, I can put this review on hold for the time being or I can fail it now so that you can get more time to work on it.  Tayi Arajakate  Talk 18:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , how many days can this put this review on hold. Currently, I am busy with my PhD program. I need more time for this exactly I can as 1 or 2 months. Also "Ref 131 is a dead link to an questionable source" what this point means? Can you hold it for 2 months? Also please specify about the primary source to be reduced. What does that meanPaavamjinn (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , that's a bit long but I suppose I can put this on hold for two months, I won't any longer though so consider that the deadline (10 July). I've also fixed the "ref 131" point and specified what I'm referring to. Regarding primary sources, read WP:PRIMARY; in this case it's sources such as any television channel he has worked for, any movie listing on a website (which are generally derived from the movie's press releases), an award granter's own website, Mammootty own website, the website of any NGO that he is worked for, etc. The issue with the use of primary source in the article is that they don't help determine due weight, for example Mammootty has received a lot of awards throughout his career but if some award from a minor function is not mentioned in independent news coverage at all then it wouldn't have sufficient weight for inclusion in contrast to say major awards which are widely covered. Tayi Arajakate  Talk 08:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Paavamjinn, Tayi Arajakate has been unresponsive when it comes to their GA reviews, so since over two months have passed since you requested the extension and have made a number of edits to the article this month, it makes sense to check in to see whether you still wish to continue here. I've requested a second opinion/new reviewer in case that's true, but thought I should check. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @BlueMoonsetYou can check the article and help me in making this article a GA. I was also little busy with my career. If need any changes please help me by commenting and I will rectify it soon as possiblePaavamjinn (talk) 08:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Comments

 * The primary issue with the article is that it's not comprehensive. The entire section on acting career is not much more than a list of films in sentence form. It can be significantly expanded and needs to include his career progression, i.e his roles, the reception of his performances, the significance of any particular film, etc. Please take a look at other GA class or FA class articles, for example Shah Rukh Khan.
 * The article has an over-reliance on primary sources in certain areas which needs to be replaced or supported by secondary ones. For instance the entirety of the part regarding Pain and Palliative Care Society is sourced to the organisation's website itself.
 * Lot of the sections are a disjoint group of factoids. For instance his films on other languages should be in chronological order in his acting career itself, it should describe how he came to star in a non-Malayalam film, etc. Another would be the one on him, Mohanlal and Dileep accounting for 97% of the box-office revenue of Malayalam cinema which is followed by a number of unrelated things. Is there nothing more one can be said about it?
 * The lead doesn't necessarily need citations as long as the same material is sourced in the body, see WP:LEADCITE. The lead itself is problematic however. For example, the second paragraph is a list of the ffilms he debuted in, in various industries and almost entirely skips his work in the Malayalam industry, consider that the lead should highlight the most significant aspects of the subject. It'll need a re-write after the article is expanded.
 * Lines such as "His acting and contributions to Malayalam cinema have been praised by his contemporaries in the Indian film industry." are superfluous and don't add much, instead the article should document what praise he received, from whom did he receive it, when did he receive it, including review commentaries of his performance, how it has evolved over the years, etc.
 * Many of the images are marked as own work but they don't appear to be so, please ensure all pictures used are copyright compliant.
 * The article at present uses a number of poor sources.
 * Indiainfo.com is a self published sources in ref 71 and 143.
 * Filmibeat is a gossip site for in 140 and 145.
 * International Business Times for ref 17, 82, 103, 105 and 108.
 * Ref 131 185 is a dead link to a questionable source (amazonaws.com).
 * Note the above isn't a comprehensive list.

Assessment
 Comprehension: The comprehensive is adequate.

Verifiability: Issues with sources exist.

Comprehensiveness: The article is not comprehensive.

Neutrality: Some attention is necessary, primary sources need to be reduced as well.

Stability: The article is stable. Illustration:



Second reviewer
Picking this up as an abandoned review. Footnote numbers refer to this version. Spotchecks: I'm going to stop here and fail the article: four of the five footnotes I looked at don't accurately cite the material, so I would recommend going through the whole article and verifying the source/text integrity; and the Earwig issue is on top of that. In addition, I see numerous places where copyediting is needed, just from skimming the article looking for footnotes to spotcheck: "The movie has ran over 300 days in theatres", "In the same year Mammootty done two Tamil films", "in the same year, Mammootty done a guest appearance", "The movie has two climaxes, and Shah Rukh Khan was supposed to do a pivotal role, but didn't happen due to unknown reasons": these are all from a single paragraph, and are not an exhaustive list of errors just in that paragraph. I would recommend asking GOCE for a copyedit before renominating. I'm sorry to fail this after you've waited so long for a review, but the article is not ready for GA nomination. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Earwig flags "The film focuses on the prison life of Vaikom Muhammad Basheer and the love between him and Narayani, a female inmate of the prison, who remains unseen throughout the film." It has been copied from this site and is not supported by the given source, FN 80.
 * FN 27 cites "and it is one of the finest investigative thrillers ever made in Malayalam cinema."
 * FN 39 & 40 together cite "In 1986 alone, he acted in about 35 films, including a brief appearance in Mazha Peyyunnu Maddalam Kottunnu. In 1986, he teamed up with I. V. Sasi for the film Aavanazhi, which was written by T. Damodaran. Mammootty appears in the lead role as Balram, a police officer. Both Inspector Balram and Balram vs. Tharadas are sequels to this film. The film was a huge hit at the box office. The film ran for over 200 days. The film was remade in Tamil, Telugu, and Hindi.". The first sentence isn't covered by either source.  One source has "The film, which had a stellar star cast, ran for over 200 days. Later, the movie was remade in Tamil, Telugu, and Hindi."  This phrasing in the article is too close to this.
 * FN 47 cites "In the same year, he played Balagopalan, a school teacher who is deemed mad by society owing to a superstitious belief, in the drama Thaniyavarthanam, directed by Sibi Malayil and written by A. K. Lohithadas". The source has "The 1987 film directed by Sibi Malayil marked the debut of scriptwriter A.K. Lohithadas, who would pen many more memorable roles for Mammootty. As a schoolteacher who is supposed to have inherited the mental illness in the family, he gave an unforgettable performance."  This is at least imprecise; there's no mention of superstition in the source.  "Mad" and "mentally ill" aren't really the same, but that's a marginal issue; also "by society" is not really in the source.
 * FN 90 "Mammootty played the character Putturumees in the movie Soorya Manasam, who is a mentally challenged man who lives with his mother in a small village. Mammootty has crticially acclaimed for the role and the movie is based on 1937 American Novel Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck." I fixed the typo.  The source has "Inspired by the 1937 American novel Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck, Director Viji Thampi tells us the story of a slow-witted lad Putturumees who is raised by his single mother in a village."  This doesn't cover "critically acclaimed", though since it's on a list of classics I think it's more or less OK.


 * @Mike Christie can you please clarify what is the main error. Are ypu mentioning that I copied the content from those websites or did I need to reduce the source counts.Paavamjinn (talk) 08:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There is not a single main error. The article’s English has many mistakes, the sources do not always correctly cite what is in the article, and the phrasing in the article is too close to the original source in some cases (see WP:CLOSEPARA).  There may be other problems that would prevent promotion — I did not check all the GA criteria. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 08:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)