Talk:Manananggal

Manananggal
We need to merge all but 2-3 sentences of that. Anyone object? ---J.S (t|c) 22:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable. This particular section is long and should just be a short definition anyway. I vote "aye". (~Asul)


 * Please feel free to edit. I really would like to see this article look more professional and encyclopedic.--Jondel 12:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Oww
That image is...really green. Isn't there any traditional art of this? --Masamage ♫ 00:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed background color into something of lesser intensity (lighter green). -- Dragonbite 02:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge
I heartily support this merge. There are several other articles about essentially the same beast which could all be combined. --Masamage ♫ 23:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I dare say that a creature who breaks off its torso to fly is significantly different from a creature that pulls its head off and carries its organs trailing behind. --Scottandrewhutchins 16:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I was about to say the same thing. The Malaysian version pulls off its head. Their different.--Jondel 02:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Not to mention that the cultural context is vastly different. After all, we're dealing with a mythological creature here, not a real one. I don't think there's viable reason for thinking that these two creatures are the same species. Odin is not Zeus, after all.--Alternativity 09:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose-technically they are still humans, not beasts. Besides their morphological characteristics (head vs. torso and fangs vs. long tongue) proves that they are different creatures. Finally, we are talking of two different cultures here, not just one. Actually, it is more reasonable for Zeus and Jupiter to merge than these two to merge.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 10:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Oppose - citing the rationale already covered above Alternativity (talk) 12:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair Use
Clarification, please? If I were to take an image from, say, Arnold Arre's The Mythology Class and add it here as an example of an version of the manananggal, would that constitute fair use? --Alternativity 09:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The easy way is to put it in the article and give reasons for fair use. However, the chances of getting it deleted is high. The hard way is to contact the creator and get his permission for the image. Ask User:Seav, he may know more about this mechanism. Of course, the best way is to create your own!-- Lenticel ( talk ) 10:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Malaysian Penanggal
I propose a merge with the penanggalen article as this section talks about the Malaysian creature rather than the manananggal.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 22:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This should be kept separate. This are two different topics based in two different countries.Jondel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.50.170.46 (talk) 23:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

You misunderstood. I was talking about merging this section. Not the whole article. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Since this merger is inactive for almost half a year, I have boldly moved the text (hidden) here. Anyone willing to add this info to the Penanggal article is welcomed.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

<!-- ==Malaysian Penanggal==

Similar folklore can be found in the neighbouring Malaysia although with notable differences noted below.

In Malaysian folklore, manananggal is referred to as penanggal or penanggalan which literally means "detach", "to detach", "remove" or "to remove". Both terms - manananggal and penanggal - may carry the same meaning due to both languages being grouped or having a common root under the Austronesian language family. In Malaysian folklore, a penanggal may either be a beautiful old or young woman who obtained her beauty through the active use of black magic, supernatural, mystical, or paranormal means which is most commonly described in local folklores to be dark or demonic in nature. Another cause where one becomes a penanggal in Malaysian folklore is due the result of a powerful curse or the actions of a demonic force although this method is less common than the active use of black magic abovementioned. All penanggal are females and there is no variation in Malaysian folklore to suggest a penanggal to be male.

A notable difference between a penanggal and manananggal is that a penanggal detaches only her head with her lungs, stomach and intestines attached while leaving the body in a pre-prepared container filled with vinegar to preserve the body against rapid decomposition. An alternate version is that the penanggal usually keeps a vat of vinegar, which is then used to shrink its entrails upon returning to its body, so that the organs can ease themselves into their original places without difficulty.

One version of the tale states that the penanggal was once a beautiful woman or priestess, who was taking a ritual bath in a tub that once held vinegar. While bathing herself and in a state of concentration or meditation, a man entered the room without warning and startled her. The woman was so shocked that she jerked her head up to look, moving so quickly as to sever her head from her body, her organs and entrails pulling out of the neck opening. Enraged by what the man had done, she flew after him, a vicious head trailing organs and dripping venom. Her empty body was left behind in the vat.

The penanggal, thus, is said to carry an odor of vinegar with her wherever she flies, and returns to her body during the daytime, often posing as an ordinary mortal woman. However, a penanggal can always be told from an ordinary woman by that odor of vinegar.

Additionally, unlike the manananggal which uses a proboscis-like tongue, a penanggal is commonly depicted as having fangs. The number of fangs varies from one region to another, ranging from two like the Western vampire to a mouthful of fangs.

A penanggal is said to feed on human blood or human flesh although local folklore (including its variations) commonly agrees that a penanggal prefers the blood of a newborn infant, the blood of woman who recently gave birth or the placenta (which is devoured by the penanggal after it is buried). All folktales also agree that a penanggal flies as it searches and lands to feed. One variation of the folklore however claims that a penanggal is able to pass through walls. Other, perhaps more chilling, descriptions say that the penanggal can ooze up through the cracks in the floorboards of a house, rising up into the room where an infant or woman is sleeping. Sometimes they are depicted as able to move their intestines like tentacles.

The most common remedy prescribed in Malaysian folklore to protect against a Penanggal attack is to scatter the thorny leaves of a local plant known as mengkuang which would either trap or injure the exposed lungs, stomach and intestines of the penanggal as it flies in search of its prey. These thorns, on the vine, can also be looped around the windows of a house in order to snare the trailing organs. This is commonly done when a woman has just given birth. However this practice will not protect the infant if the penanggal decides to pass through the floorboards.

A prescribed method of permanently killing a penanggal requires for it to be carefully followed and tracked back to its lair (which is always well hidden), with the person or creature to be positively identified. The act of destroying it is carried out the next time the penanggal detaches itself from its body. Once the penanggal leaves its body and is safely away, it may be permanently destroyed by either pouring pieces of broken glass into the empty neck cavity which will sever the internal organs of the penanggal when it reattaches to the body, or by sanctifying the body and then destroying it by cremation or by somehow denying the Penanggal from reattaching to its body upon sunrise.

Due to the common theme of penanggal being the result of active use of black magic or supernatural means, a penanggal cannot be readily classified as a classical undead being or a vampire as per Western folklore or literature. The creature is, for all intent and purposes, a living human being during daytime (much like the Japanese rokurokubi) or at any time when it does not detach itself from its body. -->

Cultural Referances
Isn't there a similar monster in the Castlevania series? They call it by a different name but it fits the description —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.225.38 (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2011 (UTC)