Talk:Manchuria under Qing rule

中國, Zhongguo; "Middle Kingdom
I know that this is a common (mis)translation, but it's simply incorrect, it should either read as "central state", "middle lands", or "central country", if one would say middle kingdom they'd write "中王國" it may fit in a travel guide, but it doesn't fit in an encyclopedia. --86.81.201.94 (talk) 18:54, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Manchurian Qing Dynasty
Isn't the Qing Dynasty Manchu? Then it turns out that the Qing dynasty is Manchuria. Therefore, this is not Manchuria under Qing administration, but vice versa. This is just China under Manchu rule. Do not find I such a look?--Modun (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The term "Manchuria" was not used by the Qing dynasty itself in either Chinese or Manchu. The term is an exonym of Japanese origin, and then spread to the west as a geographical term for the region. While the Qing dynasty was ruled by the Manchus, the country it ruled was known as "Qing" or "China" after it took control of Ming China, and the region of topic was referred to as "Manchuria" by Japan and Western countries. For example, the following is from the official text of the Treaty of Portsmouth, signed between Japan and Russia in 1905:

ARTICLE III - Japan and Russia mutually engage:
 * First. -- To evacuate completely and simultaneously Manchuria, except the territory affected by the lease of the Liaotung Peninsula, in conformity with the provisions of the additional article I annexed to this treaty, and,
 * Second.--To restore entirely and completely to the exclusive administration of China all portions of Manchuria now in occupation, or under the control of the Japanese or Russian troops, with the exception of the territory above mentioned.
 * The Imperial Government of Russia declares that it has not in Manchuria any territorial advantages or preferential or exclusive concessions in the impairment of Chinese sovereignty, or inconsistent with the principle of equal opportunity.


 * Clearly, the term "Manchuria" refers to the region which was under the rule of the Qing dynasty, the last imperial dynasty of China. --Wengier (talk) 04:15, 7 November 2023 (UTC)