Talk:Mandarin (character)

Interesting
It's interesting to note that nobody has related The Mandarin to the "Ten Rings" terrorist group from the Iron Man Movie. --24.44.81.211 (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC) -- No, it isn't. Also as for "He serves as the main antagonist of the 2013 film Iron Man 3": Nope.

His "abilities" appear to be glitched. It should read that he is a scientific genuis and superhumanly skilled martial artist. Yet it actually reads that he has the ability to rifle through space bins. ????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.245.67.37 (talk) 02:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Should the ability to teleport the rings back to himself still be included? That power seems to have been forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.245.67.37 (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Mandarin image resolution
Is it just me, or does our image for The Mandarin excessively large? 1038 x 1024. That's the size of a wallpaper. This is a huge, high quality image. Now it's time to give that image a fair use rationale, but I'm not sure that the use is really fair. Just to identify this character, need no where near that resolution. Would anyone object if I were to reduce the resolution on this image? -- Lilwik 02:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

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Past to Present
I think I have fixed the tense issue in the fictional biography section by rewriting everything into the present tense. It likely needs to be checked. Also, I think there may need to be some grammatical corrections in there somewhere. LonelyBeacon (talk) 05:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

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Repeated Reversions
MykulClaymaw (talk) 05:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)The article contradicts the actual origin given in the comics. I have corrected it repeatedly based on a close and careful reading of the actual comics. Yet someone keeps reverting it to a copy of the old flawed OHOTMU article. Can someone give me a good reason for going with the OHOTMU over the actual books?
 * Could you please state what comics you are getting this from? Also, you should know that this article is being discussed here  Cerebellum (talk) 14:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Tales of Suspense story #62 titled "The Origin of The Mandarin", I have yet to find anything in-comics that contradict it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MykulClaymaw (talk • contribs) 17:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you put it back in, please add citations and I think no one will have a problem with that. 24.148.0.83 (talk) 13:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. I will wait until the end of the day for someone to bring up objections, then I am editing the Tales of Suspense #62 origin back in.

1994 TV series
In the 1990's series, it was the Mandarin who captured Tony Stark and forced him to create the Iron Man armour: the role originally played by Wong Chu.24.57.249.250 (talk) 00:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

cite comic not working
In the Heart of Darkness section, there are three uses of the cite comic template which don't work. It seems to be written correctly, but it just has the information there, instead of at the bottom in the proper section.  D r e a m Focus  19:52, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Article Needs Editing
I'm an old Marvel fan who just happened by, but I can't help noticing that this article is in serious need of editing. There are many broken run on sentences and writing problems that need attention. I changed one example. Andacar 16:42, 31 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andacar (talk • contribs)

The Mandarin's true identity
The movie's plot seems to imply this. Jhenderson 7 7 7  20:23, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Watch the movie. And don't read my comment below. :P Konjakupoet (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I am going to watch the movie I assure you. Although I don't think we can have contradicting material on this Wikipedia. This says Mandarin is the main antagonist while this says otherwise which seems to be more correct. Jhenderson  7 7 7  17:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not gonna spoil the movie for you, but it's debatable. I think it'll be a little while before any reliable sources show up that are willing to spoil the movie, though, so we've got a problem with sourcing. Konjakupoet (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Can we please avoid spoiling a movie that hasn't even been released in America yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dp812 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm trying not to. But the problem is that the article now contains false information. And we are not obliged to write articles from an American point of view. Even articles on members of the United States House of Representatives should be written so that people around the world can still read them comfortably, and if Disney saw the film as being "just for Americans" it wouldn't have been released everywhere else first. Konjakupoet (talk) 02:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I made an account exactly to come here and say this too. I haven't seen the movie yet, and was reading this article to have, without warning, in the opening paragraphs, the movie (regardless of the claim's correctness) spoiled. Something like that should definitely be under a "spoilers ahead" section, not in the opening section. It is very aggravating, to say the least.Asoplata (talk) 06:29, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

It's not a huge problem to avoid editing an article so it spoils the movie for a large number of people for a period of one week. Reading this article for background on a movie character, it was very disconcerting to have what appears to be a huge spoiler in clear view with no warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.22.173 (talk) 00:12, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to "spoil" readers (hey, guess what, WP:SPOILER!), then just don't have the claim in there at all; readers aren't hurt by the page "waiting a week" to have info on the movie. There is absolutely no excuse for posting blatant lies to the article.72.12.219.170 (talk) 06:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a bunch of nonsense... it's not blatant lies. Calling Ben Kingsley "The Mandarin" is a fact that is seemingly lost upon people that saw the movie and don't understand what Killian was saying when he said "I am the Mandarin." Ben Kingsley's role in the film, in every sense, most closely represents the Mandarin. The reality is that this article totally spoils a key plot point for a film that came out two days ago and it does so without any warning. Personally, while I feel that it's worse because the movie just came out, I hate Wikipedia's position towards movie spoilers in general in their articles. You should warn people when they're at risk of having a form of art spoiled for them if they hadn't already witnessed it. 69.141.162.148 (talk) 00:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does reveals spoilers, and that's mentioned in the disclaimer. There's nothing to do about that, unless the policy is changed. However, I disagree with the whole "Killian is the true mandarin" angle: that was just a badass boast during the battle. If the Mandarin turned out to be just a decoy leader, it doesn't mean that someone else is the "true" Mandarin, only that the Mandarin is not the real villain, period. By the way, this source does not say that Killian was the Mandarin. Cambalachero (talk) 12:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The article does need to be changed. Killian saying he was The Mandarin was him saying he was behind all the terror going back to the first movie (as in all the trouble caused by the Ten Rings was just a ruse created by him) not him saying, "my name is The Mandarin." Ben Kingsley is the Mandarin, it's a big reinvention of the character, but that is still the character that correlates to the one in the comics. I'm surprised people can't see something so clear. Even the article that's cited in the film section says "the idea of the Mandarin" created by Killian is the "uber terrorist" played by Kingsley, the "I've been this guy since I was born" refers to Killian with his villainous acts. Parralax (talk) 02:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * And by way of Shane Black's explanation, Killian IS the Mandarin; in particular the MCU's version of him who's simply given a "real" identity by way of Aldrich Killian (practically a nobody in the original Extremis comic). It's heavily inspired by one of his modern stories (if you people actually bother to search in the main comic biography, it's in the "Government infiltration" sub-heading). Just because some people feel upset by the twist, it doesn't change the fact that Killian was designated as the MCU's version of the Mandarin. There's no roundabout way of saying it. Shane Black specifically says that they DO give the audience the real Mandarin, and he specifically say that it's none other than Guy Pearce's character. Why would he even bother to mention the dragon tattoos if it meant nothing at all? The specific line mentions that the actor merely embodies him, acting as a proxy FOR Killian. It's a clear-cut line, it doesn't get any more simpler than that. Whatever opinions or qualms you people have with the twist doesn't change the fact that they've designated the Mandarin under the alter ego of Aldrich Killian in the film version. Nothing needs to be changed. Kingsley portrays an idealized image of the classic Mandarin but it's in no way the literal depiction of the film version's take on the character. On the other hand, Guy Pearce is actually shown as portraying a proper modern iteration of the Mandarin character simply with the alter ego of Aldrich Killian; in which he is using the terrorist persona as a proxy to cover his illegal activities. Demented-P (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * re: "Shane Black specifically says that they DO give the audience the real Mandarin, and he specifically say that it's none other than Guy Pearce's character." Please link a source for the specific quote. Doczilla  @SUPERHEROLOGIST 08:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Just for reference, I already provided the original source and switched it with the one from ComicBookMovie.com Shane Black specifically says that he does "give the Mandarin" but that it's "Guy Pearce's character". Also the interview continually emphasized on "Pearce's Mandarin" so it doesn't get anymore legitimate than that. Demented-P (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Was he really referenced in the 2008 film?
Not to spoil the new movie, but, I'm pretty sure the Ten Rings featured in the first two films had next-to-nothing to do with the character in the third film who is specifically referred to as the Mandarin. I don't usually edit articles on recent films, so I'm not sure how we should deal with this: at present the new film is probably the closest to thing to a reliable source that ... it doesn't even specifically state that the film's Mandarin has nothing to do with "the Ten Rings" ... do we need to leave the inaccurate information in the article until a reliable source actually discusses it? Konjakupoet (talk) 15:31, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The name of the group in the first movie is a reference to the comic character, this is confirmed by the director in the source, and in many other interviews. Whether or not the third film builds on it doesn't retroactively change that. -Fandraltastic (talk) 17:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Considering that the upcoming Marvel-One Shot will feature the Ten Rings once again, should we reconsider adding them back to this article? Richiekim (talk) 19:06, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * It was a reference to his rings more than him. Yet the topic of his rings is placed here. So I am nut sure it should have been removed IMO. Jhenderson  7 7 7  19:50, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Lead image
Perhaps the lead image should be some image with the rings more visible or prominent (as they are the main thing of the character) and without the distracting rain. Cambalachero (talk) 03:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Disagree. The picture is perfect. And the rings are not his main thing. The rings are third place, at best.

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