Talk:Mandela Way T-34 Tank

Merge?
This article was nominated for speedy deletion, but declined by User:SpuriousQ who wrote (in the edit summary) "... perhaps the content can be merged somewhere? ...". Maybe this is a good idea. As its notability is primarily due to its use as an artwork (see the referenced Independent on Sunday article) I suggest merging it into the page on the artist (Aleksandra Mir) as a separate section. --David Edgar 15:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I think its more notable as a place or point of interest and think that merging it with Bermondsey would be more appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BadboyIain (talk • contribs) 21:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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French WP article
Can someone add the English and Afrikaans WP links to the French page. Jackiespeel (talk) 16:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jackiespeel They are linked already, they just appear in a different location (top right) on French Wikipedia as it is using the new Desktop Improvements skin. the wub "?!"  23:23, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Less immediately obvious - and sometimes the multi-lingual link ups are not yet in place (for whatever reasons).
 * Is there an actual or potential WP list to which this and could be added? Jackiespeel (talk) 13:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Made up tanks history
The article claims that the tank was used during Prague Spring by CSLA against its people. Since CSLA did not participate in Prague Spring events and stayed in barracks, it seems like made up nonsensical statement. It might have been in CSLA possession since it was made in Czechoslovakia, but that's all. If some does not have source that would shed light on this confusing statement I would like to remove it. SUBGAMER (talk) 18:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Our cited sources say "The tank is thought to have originally been used by the Czech military during the fighting of the Prague Spring in 1968" (Atlas Obscura); and that it "was used by the Czech army in the suppression of the Prague Spring uprising in 1968" (Historical Association – behind a paywall, but I've checked a hard copy). Other sources cited say "The T-34 tank was reportedly used to help crush the Prague Spring" (Southwark News); and "is said to have taken part in the suppression of the Prague Spring uprising" (About London Laura). So in other words, it's an unsubstantiated rumour, but pretty widespread. The T-34-85 was Soviet-designed, but built in large numbers in Czechoslovakia; so it's (just) possible that the implication is that it was in Soviet service when it helped suppress the uprising.


 * What we do know is that the tank was at some point in service on the Czech army, was decommissioned and sold off, bought by a film production company and moved to the UK, and then sold again and bought by Russell Gray (possibly with another intermediate dealer in the sequence). Quite apart from the point you make, it seems pretty unlikely that full details about its previous service would have been passed along with it through that complex chain of custody. On the other hand, the claim is so widespread that I think it should be kept, but qualified to make clear that it's nothing more than a rumour. We already say the tank "is said to have taken part in the suppression of the Prague Spring uprising"; that could be changed to "is rumoured to have taken part in ..."; or possibly something stronger. GrindtXX (talk) 16:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


 * No further comments. I'm going to change "said" to "rumoured". GrindtXX (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)