Talk:Mandisa/Archive N

2/21 Song
Hey, its Tuesday the 21st of Feb. Anyone know the name of the song that she sang on the show tonite? Thanks! Batman2005 05:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

"Never" by Heart


 * AHHHH THANKS! I was rackin my brain the whole time she was singing to figure it out, I knew I'd heard it before. Batman2005 01:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Did she really say this?
The following quote was added to the article: "I figure that if Jesus could die so that all of my wrongs could be forgiven, I can certainly extend that same grace to you." I saw that episode and don't remember Mandisa saying that at all. Could be my faulty brain. Can anybody confirm? -- MisterHand 02:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I recall similar words being said, but I don't have the transcript in front of me so I can't confirm per se. -- SwissCelt 02:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Those are the exact words I remember hearing. --Revolución hablar ver 19:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, she said that - I remember it vividly. Joey 22:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, she did. Michael 23:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Elimination
I'm going to leave this in the talk page for now since I haven't seen it confirmed except on message boards, and even then I'm not sure how enyclopedic this passage is:

After Mandisa was eliminated, a group of audience members supposedly yelled out a racial slur, which was edited out due to a 15-second delay in the live broadcast.


 * Kirjtc2 04:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This video shows her elimination. It definitely seems like something happened. quadratic 05:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There was no racial slur yelled out. The reason everyone looked so shocked is because Mandisa was a strong favorite to win the competition, so when she got booted, having never been in the bottom 3, everyone collectively "shit their pants", so to speak. Some careful video editing and a vague story of "racist remarks" makes it believeable, but there has been no official source whatsoever to have reported this. --JOK3R 06:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Overweight
Do you think it's a little too harsh to say "Mandisa is overweight" in the article? Would "Idol judge Simon Cowell made several comments referencing her weight during her audition" be better? Purplenite 01:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

HARSH!?!?! She's 280lbs! It's a fact that she's overweight. (wiki user)


 * How do you all know how much Mandisa weighs? TamYum 06:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * She has admitted herself to be "overweight". Consider her reference to "lifestyle" when people thought she met homosexuality.  She said her comment was based off of her weight and how she's always given in to temptation with food. Michael 23:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Should be Mandisa Hundley
and have Mandisa redirect to Mandisa Hundley. (as with Fantasia Barrino) &mdash;Chantessy 21:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there a Wikipedia policy concerning single-name stage names? IIRC, Mandisa always just went by "Mandisa".  If that's her stage name, then the article should probably remain "Mandisa". SnappingTurtle 13:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * See Naming conventions (people). From the guidelines on that page: "The most used name to refer to a person is generally the one that Wikipedia will choose as page name." Based on that, this page is already named correctly. -- MisterHand 13:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That settles it then, it stays just "Mandisa". That's her entire stage name.  See, for example, here. SnappingTurtle 15:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Why has the redirect been made, then? lone_twin (talk) 07:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

In the case of Fantasia, such is necessitated due to disambiguation issues. If another Mandisa comes along, then a move may be needed, but otherwise, all should left as is. CrazyC83 00:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should be Mandisa, but that analogy doesn't hold good. See, for example, Monica (singer) or Brandy (entertainer). lone_twin (talk) 07:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Birthdate
Her birthday is not October 1, 1976, it's January 22, 1977.

It is October 1, 1976. She is five days older than Taylor Hicks. User:Arual 01:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Someone needs to cite the d.o.b., or it will just keep being changed back and forth. Thank you. Michael 03:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I cited it- http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=HICKS-IDOL-03-17-06 and also see this discussion on Taylor Hicks' page. User:Arual 18:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Michael 01:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

?
who undid my edits about her book release date and single, they were correct

American Idol performances
There's TONS of spelling & grammar mistakes there, someone re-write it, QUICK! It looks like a 2-yr-old wrote it.

Change in Discography Layout
Ok, I changed the way her discogrpahy is layed out, is that ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.99.58 (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have asked you to explain why you made the changes. You still have not done that here or in the edit summaries.  You are removing information from the article without a reason.  If she had her own discography article then the changes you are making would be okay because the charts/sales information would be contained on her discography article.   But since she does not have a discography article, that information should stay on this article. Aspects (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Well why can't we make one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.99.58 (talk) 18:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I put columns on every album she put out, showing the debuts and sales, that's why I changed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.99.58 (talk) 15:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Your explanation makes no sense, since you actually removed the columns of the albums that you claimed you put in. Per WP:BRD, you need to discuss with other editors to gain a consensus, not just make a statement and continually make the same changes over and over again. Aspects (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

My goodness, it looks better the other way! And on each album and EP I put what number it debuted on each chart, and the sales of the album! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.99.58 (talk) 22:05, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


 * "Looks better" is your personal opinion and to change the layout you need to convince other people and gain a consensus. Where exactly in this edit,, does it list the debut on each chart and the sales?  The answer is nowhere.  You are deleting the information from the article that you claim you are adding.


 * I have asked you numerous times to gain a consensus, you seem to interpret this as adding one comment on here and making the change back. To gain a consensus for your contested change, you need to convince other editors through a discussion.  Until you are able to gain a consensus through discussing with other editors, I am going to revert back to the version that contains more information. Aspects (talk) 22:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, first of all, I'd like to apoligize for my behavior on all of this, and 2nd of all could we possibly do it like Sade's discography layout, which shows the debut, and sales?--68.32.99.58 (talk) 19:07, 16 January 2010


 * What are you talking about? The discography on Sade's article does not show the debut nor the sales, while the Mandisa discography layout shows the debut date and sales information.  Aspects (talk) 19:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah it does, well not the sales, but it shows the debut on each chart, or its peak position.--68.32.99.58 (talk) 19:46, 16 January 2010
 * Ok, I layed it all out in a new way, I like it, but if you don't, well you know--68.32.99.58 (talk) 20:06, 16 January 2010
 * I reverted your change because I have continually asked you to gain a consensus here before changing the discography layout because your changes have been contested in the past. Even though they are the same in this case, an album chart debut is not important in discographies, the peak chart position is important.  You keep deleting sourced information that you claim you want in the article such as the album sales this time.  The current layout is simpler to read and contains more information than your proposed change. Aspects (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * But, I put a "column" on every album or EP she has released that tells the peak position, and sales, and its easy to read, check it out!
 * You deleted the sales information so it was not located anywhere in your version. Also I am going to revert your last edit, you should only delete fact/citation needed templates if you replace them with a source. Aspects (talk) 20:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Boy, what are you looking at? Click on one of her albums, scroll down to the bottom, and look! you'll see everything —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.99.58 (talk) 20:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am talking about keeping the release date and sales information in the discography section, which are some of the reasons for having a discography section. You should not have to click on the individual album to go to the album's article to find that information. Aspects (talk) 22:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Um, In case you haven't noticed, about every other artist on the site has a discogrpahy section exactly like that...--68.32.99.58 (talk) 00:21, 18 January 2010 (


 * I have worked on numerous singer/band biographical/discography articles and the majority of them include release date and sales information. Aspects (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, on the album's page--68.32.99.58 (talk) 06:26, 18 January 2010
 * This information is commonly found in discography sections/articles to have it all in one location. Aspects (talk) 07:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Discography Page

 * I have created a page for Mandisa's discography. This includes her albums, EP's, Singles, and other appearences. It also includes Peak positions, and sales. Would it be safe to delete the charts for singles, and guest appearences on her main page? Or does it still need to be posted? And please don't delete the page, took alot to make it.

It's Christmas placement in new discography section
I am starting about the placement of It's Christmas in the new discography section. On Wikipedia, albums generally fall into three categories: studio, live and compilation. For an example of this see Mariah Carey, where Merry Christmas is listed in the studio albums section. Since It's Christmas is a studio album it belongs in the studio album section along with True Beauty and Freedom. Aspects (talk)


 * Um, Mariah Carey's christmas album is listed in Other Albums. Take a look here.--68.32.99.58 (talk) 21:14, 7 March 2010


 * Merry Christmas was recently moved to other albums with no edit summary so I moved it back, as I will do to the same to It's Christmas here, plus I will change back the dates back to the end since you have given no reason for your reverts. It's Christmas was recorded in a studio, so why do you feel it does not belong in with other studio albums? Aspects (talk) 21:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Why does it matter where the dates are put? It's not deleting any information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.99.58 (talk) 21:59, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * User:Explicit provided an edit summary of "Per WP:LOW" and you provided no edit summary as to why you are making the revert. When you click "Undo" it states "If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary. Do not use the default message only."  Explicit's edit was clearly not vandalism, but was a Manual of Style edit.  You need to start using edit summaries each time you make an edit. Aspects (talk) 22:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Discography on Mandisa page
Below is a copy and paste what I removed from the Discography section here in the talk page. I 'm wondering if we could just include the label names of the album release.  We can work to improve the discography section References for starters. Also some catalog info would make it look much better. This is always of interest to those interested in record label and catalog details. (Brother Samson (talk) 21:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC))

Putting writers/producers on each album
Would it be safe to put who wrote the songs, and produced them on each album.Like on  I Look To You? I have all of her albums, so they'd be honest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.99.58 (talk) 03:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * That information is only relevant to the applicable album/single articles and is not necessary to have on an artist article. Aspects (talk) 05:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well I meant each album.--68.32.99.58 (talk) 01:38, 2 March 2010

What if We Were Real
Would it be okay to go ahead and start working on the What if We Were Real page now? I think there is enough sourced information from interviews, reviews, etc. to make a page. Or is it better to wait for the Track Listing and things like that?--Hayden White


 * This section references the date June 18, 2011 as when it reached #1. That date hasn't happened yet.  Is there a reference for this? Jtoto 2002 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Recent reverts
Aspects, first of all, you said that "no explanation" was given. Well, you didn't give an explanation why you reverted the first time. The reason why it is incorrect to use ordinal numbers in this situation is grammatical. Basically, in order to have a "second" (for example), there needs to be a "first" (mentioned earlier in the paragraph). "Ordinal" means to put in order (in sequence). And so, that's why the vast majority of times any article talks about a TV season, it says "season __."

Now on a deeper issue, editors of wiki sites are supposed to work together in cooperation—sort of give and take (lest there be edit warring). When you changed "No." to number, even though that was wrong (or at least totally unnecessary—it is the preferred way when speaking of a music chart position), I let that go. And I would expect the same from you (or any other editor). (Please see: Revert only when necessary) Thanks for understanding. --Musdan77 (talk) 18:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The way it was listed before was in order from the lowest place, the medium season and the highest show. I have worked on numerous television show articles and I do not believe I have placements listed as being in "season ___" and as I stated all of the American Idol uses the form "__st/nd/th season." Also I believe this is the grammatically correct way of listing the information. In regards to "No." I have never seen this used before as a substitute for number. As for the current discussion has been started per WP:BRD, you should not have reverted especially when there was no reply in my part. AS there is no consensus on the change, I am going to reestablish the stable version that has been used for years. Aspects (talk) 23:30, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * "The way it was listed before was in order from the lowest place, the medium season and the highest show." I don't know what you're meaning to say here, but it doesn't follow my explanation of ordinal. I don't think I can explain it any better. Please read it again.


 * "all of the American Idol uses the form "__st/nd/th season."" Every American Idol season article is titled: "American Idol (season __)" In fact, every TV series season article's title is done the correct way. I even picked a random AI season article and counted the uses. I found 10 times written correctly, and twice the incorrect way. I too have worked on many TV show articles, and most of the time it was done right, and when it wasn't, I corrected it. And I have never had anyone revert it before.


 * Saying that something has been done for years is not a good enough reason to revert a valid revision.
 * I have compromised with you (and I stand by what I said about "No."). I think you should learn to compromise, and to respect other editors. --Musdan77 (talk) 04:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Categories
I see that there are some categories that could be added. One of them is Christian chart entrants. Is there such a thing? Should there be? (Brother Samson (talk) 21:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC))

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