Talk:Manipur

Reinstated sock edit
, reinstated the edit of a blocked sockpuppet, without explanation. Can you please provide page numbers and quotations from the sources that establish the veracity of the statement, "The recorded history of Manipur can be traced back to 33 A.D"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Here is the content: -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Please remove paragraph about "Manipur violence 2023 related to external aggression " and add a link to "Manipur violence 2023" instead.
The page is meant for projecting the demography, culture, language, economy, people, history, etc, of the state. Adding a paragraph about the ongoing violence is not doing justice to the ethos and all the communities residing in the state.

None of the other pages have a paragraph on violence - Gujarat, Kerela, West Bengal, Chhattisgarh, etc.

@Kautilya3 @Arjayay @DreamRimmer @Haoreima @Prarambh20 Cherry.pick.wiki (talk) 18:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for giving permission. The paragraph is removed. So also wanted to highlight to the team that there is separate page for "2023 Israel–Hamas war" which is separate from the main "Israel" page. Cherry.pick.wiki (talk) 12:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Cherry.pick.wiki No one has "given permission" You appear to be trying to whitewash the article by removing all reference to the Manipur violence 2023 - Arjayay (talk) 12:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * HI @Arjayay, there is a separate page for "2023 Israel–Hamas war". is that a white wash? Cherry.pick.wiki (talk) 12:29, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Cherry.pick.wiki - What happens on other pages is not a valid argument, please see WP:OTHERCONTENT - Arjayay (talk) 12:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ok, got it Cherry.pick.wiki (talk) 12:49, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

It is a WP:POV section and not a high-level summary. I cut it down a bit, but a proper summary still needs to be constructed. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2023 (UTC)


 * This line below needs to be removed as this is not neutral. It highlights only one atrocity out of a series of crimes committed. There are other incidents that attracted international attention. If we need to mention incidents, then we need to include all major ones. Or, not mention any at all.
 * "International outrage resulted from a report that two Kuki women had been paraded naked and allegedly gang-raped by a mob of Meitei men." Lairencha (talk) 14:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2024
I need to add some data on the Notables part of the page Rangets (talk) 11:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 12:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Instrument of Accession and Merger Agreement
Legality of Instrument of accession and Merger Agreement of Manipur is argued by many scholars, how is it NPOV if those view are ignored.




 * Manipur was a princely state of India after 1891, but this state is quite different from the rest of other princely states with the dejure constitution and so on. The political status of Manipur after British handed over its adminstration to Manipur native after 14 August 1947 should not be ignored.


 * You said many scholar denied princely state were sovereign after 1947 but the instrument of accession itself stated in Clause (8) that nothing in the said Instrument affects the continuance of the Maharaja’s ‘sovereignty’ in and over the state &#x1f432; ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯪ  ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ (talk) 07:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * "Sovereignty" is a confusing term and it is used in different ways in different contexts. The mention of "sovereignty" in the Instrument of Accession has to be understood as having full powers to exercise law and order within the state. Sometimes, this is called "internal sovereignty". Full sovereignty is taken to mean, in addition to internal sovereignty, the freedom to have external affairs, ability to wage wars etc. All the princely states that signed the Instrument of Accession surrendered external sovereignty to the Dominion of India (or Pakistan, as the case may be), and so were not fully sovereign..
 * From 1891 to 1947, Manipur did not have even internal sovereignty, because the British exercised "Paramountcy" to the fullest extent and completely ran the state in the Maharaja's name. With the British departure, the Paramountcy was removed and the Maharaja gained internal sovereignty. No other princely state in India had this problem, only Manipur.
 * Now, if some scholars claim that the Maharaja did not have sovereignty to sign the Instrument of Accession, they are being too clever for their own good. Legally, the position would be that it is between the Maharaja and the British. If the British allowed him to sign it, then he had the power to do so. Paramountcy is a flexible device, it doesn't have a hard and fast definition. It should also be remembered that Instrument of Accession was prospective, which took effect only after the British departure on 15 August 1947. Hyderabad and Jammu and Kashmir were the only states in the Indian context that didn't sign the Instrument of Accession in advance. So they became fully sovereign on 15 August 1947, and both of them got invaded by India and Pakistan respectively. The ability to "wage war" also implies the ability to get invaded. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * If IOA is an agreement that come into effect only after 15 August 1947, enactment of Manipur State Constitution Act 1947 surely precede this arrangement. Full reading of the Instrument of accession clearly shows Manipur is considered a sovereign entity in the agreement which is being argued by various scholars of the legality of IOA.


 * " Nothing in this Instrument shall be deemed to commit me in any way to acceptance of any future constitution of India or to fetter my discretion to enter into arrangements with the Government of India under any such future constitution........Nothing in this Agreement includes the exercise of any paramountcy functions. "  &#x1f432; ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯪ  ꯋꯥ ꯍꯥꯏꯐꯝ (talk) 08:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)