Talk:Manitas de Plata

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Esteem by aficionados of flamenco
I have modified the clause of the opening paragraph saying he continues to be esteemed by aficionados of flamenco. Esteemed by many people he may be be, but in the flamenco world he's always been considered a joke, mainly because the fundamental concept of compás seems to be unknown to him. See for example Donn Pohren's "The Art of Flamenco" (Society of Spanish Studies, various editions).

Paul Magnussen (talk) 23:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've lived in Spain for a few years and I'm going to have to agree with Paul Magnussen, Manitas is appreciated for many things, but not for his guitar skills. But thanks to the hype by association with Picasso he was warped into stardom quicker and further than he merits. FredrikPet (talk) 13:54, 2 March 2013 (UTC)


 * That's ridiculous! Nobody cares if he doesn't conform slavishly to flamenco stylistic tradition, his guitar-playing skills are admired by guitarists everywhere. Name someone who you think is better.77Mike77 (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Mario Escudero
 * Niño Ricardo
 * Paco Cepero
 * Paco de Lucía
 * Paco Peña
 * Pepe Habichuela
 * Pepe Martínez
 * Ramón Montoya
 * Sabicas
 * Tomatito


 * Or, if you want non-Spaniards:


 * Ian Davies
 * David Serva
 * Ricardo Marlow


 * Is that enough?


 * Paul Magnussen (talk) 18:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Each of these is a guitarist that "you think is better", and sure, they can play well, but "better" is very subjective. But only a tin-eared dud would say that Manitas de Plata "has always been considered a joke". "JOKE" (sic)!!! Those people must belong to some little clique of tone-deaf cronies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77Mike77 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Rhythm
What rules of rhythm did he "disrespect"? Given that he was far better than the rest, maybe the rules needed stretching. Seriously, if one is going to level a criticism at one of the masters of flamenco guitar, one ought to be more specific.77Mike77 (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Seriously, if one is going to refer to someone as a master, and far better than the rest, ought not one to have some idea of what the criteria are?


 * See the article on Flamenco; note the section on Compás, particularly the statement "The compás is fundamental to flamenco. Without it, there is no flamenco."


 * If you're seriously interested, read The Art of Flamenco by Donn Pohren, or any beginner's flamenco guitar tutor, such as those by Dennis Koster, Juan Grecos or Juan Martín.


 * Paul Magnussen (talk) 18:24, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * That's correct, Paul Magnussen. I've wikilinked Compás at its first mention in the article.Twistlethrop (talk) 22:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Life and Death
Since he died there have been a fair few articles which could be used as sources to expand this article BBC NY Times Washington Post EdwardLane (talk) 09:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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Criticism
Hello. Not sure i'm typing in the right place but here we go: '''i simply think that even if there were some critics (only one cited), this fact should not be presented in the opening paragraph as if it is the overriding identifying factor of his life and career. It would be much kinder to someone who spent his life entertaining audiences worldwide if this one criticism, if it must be mentioned, were kept toward the back of the article.''' Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.59.164 (talk) 13:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with you. I've gone ahead and removed the criticism altogether, as it appears to stem from one source only, and one that cannot be easily verified. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I support that move. Well done! 78.146.59.164 (talk) 11:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Much happier! :) Now thinking it would be more accurate to say that 'In addition to his intuitive flair and expertise in standard forms of Flamenco, he was admired for his freewheeling style, taking the form into new areas beyond those defined by traditional compas'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.59.164 (talk) 11:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Let's not get carried away. Not only is that non-neutral, frilly language, but it would have to be properly referenced. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)