Talk:Mannerheim Line

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I'm not aware of the Mannerheim Line being used in the Second World War (using the assumption that the Winter War and Continuation War were not actually part of World War II (more like concurrent wars, akin to the Spanish Civil War).

Can you point out where this line served in the second world war? Oberiko 12:16, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, I was't aware that the Mannerheim Line wasn't used in World War II (under the assumption that the Winter War and Continuation War were part of WWII).


 * Can you point out where this line didn't serve in the second world war? :) -- Jniemenmaa 12:33, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Both the Winter War and Continuation War articles state the conflicts were considered seperate from World War II. Being that the case, since the line only served during the Finnish-Soviet conflicts, I think it should be left out of World War II unless it is decided that the Winter War and Continuation War actually are a part of World War II. Oberiko 13:38, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Where exacty does it say that in the Winter War article? --Jniemenmaa 14:27, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Thought I remembered seeing it, my mistake. It is under Continuation War though.  Shall we take this discussion to Talk:Winter War and ask there as to its status with World War II? Oberiko 14:51, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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"The weakness of the line is illustrated by the fact that the amount of concrete used in the whole Mannerheim Line" This sentence is a harsh mistake. The flexible defense-lines (Mannerheim, Árpád-line, BarLev-Line) are not based on dense lines of concrete bunkers (as the Maginot system do). The main method to close potential traffic barriers (anti-tank ditches, hedgehogs), these are followed by a complex system of ditches and barbed wire obstacles, which protects the barrier against the sappers/bridge-layer tanks and engineer teams. Therefore the enemy is forced to attack trenches (as in World War I) at the cost of terrible losses. It's "flexible defense" because our soldiers are not locked into bunkers, but the defenders could be regrouped between field fortifications (Wood-earth maden firing posts, dugouts and pillboxes), also they can carry out a counter attack optionally. All soldiers and weapons have multiple firing position in order to make difficult to keep them under fire. Concrete bunkers usualy only shelters, just a few had crenel. Conrete made MG and Gun pillboxes are side-firing in order to deffend anti-tank obstacles. Magiont-like bunkers have lot of weaknesses e.g: lot of destructible air intlets and firing holes, they are too big (camoflage and costs), and they are easily overruned by small sapper teams (at sedan a few german soldier destrolyed a lot of firing port with pre-fabricated bombs) or could be blinded by small concentrated smoke screens. The flexible befense lines are amost immune to a few sapper or small smoke sreens. I hope someone will improve this arcicle. Source: Szabó, J. János: The Árpád-line. ISBN: 9789639614093, 332 p. User:Gabor vasarus 2017. 04. 07. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabor vasarus (talk • contribs) 13:34, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

There could be more betoning of the fact that the "Mannerheim Line" was rather a part of Finnish counter-Soviet propaganda than a real, fortified line. The nickname born during the war as did the most of the fortifications (they were regular "field-made" kind of stuff build by units in reserve) there, too. Concrete elements that belonged to the war-time line - "U-line" officially - were originally part of general fortification project at the Isthmus. Unfortunate enough, I think that my writing skills in English are not adequate to the job. Source: Harald Öhquist, Vinterkriget i min synvinkeln. WSOY 1948. Öhquist, who served as Commander of the II Finnish Army Corps on the Isthmus, gives out detailed information on area's fortifications before and during the war and so on, if you're able to read Finnish or Swedish and have the book at your disposal somewhere.--62.113.179.242 (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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