Talk:Manorialism/Archive 2

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The first sentence of this article is, as far as I can tell, completely unreadable. I'm not even in a position to edit it because I do not understand it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.1.34 (talk) 15:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, but it would be misleading to give a short-hand definition. The first sentence is technical and correct (as given in the Encyc. Brit), and a proper understanding of it can only be gained by reading the article and the blue-links, e.g. to estate in land. I would welcome any attempt at providing a short-hand definition which is clearer to the reader without any background knowledge, but it must include the essential element of jurisdiction of the manorial court. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC))
 * I have rewritten it. Manors also existed outside of the British Isles, and that's not encompassed by the legal definition given in the old intro nor in estate in land. -- Beland (talk) 07:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Legal section not simple enough
Being a layman, I don't understand the legal aspects of this. It must be possible to state the legal situation simply, even at the cost of some incompleteness. I suggest two sections. First, a section dealing with the full legal complexities, such as we have here, and second, a section that would be understandable by laymen. This is an encyclopaedia, not a book of law, and *everything* in it must be as complete and accurate as possible, subject to the condition that it is understandable by the intelligent layman. As it stands, the legal part of this article is almost useless and I'm tempted to delete it. Legal theory can be made easier to understand by unravelling multi-condition sentences, explaining terms as you go. It needs an expert, probably, combined with someone who can communicate well. 92.21.158.159 (talk) 09:29, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I also find parts of this article impenetrable. Surely if legal documents can be written in plain English, then it must be possible in an encyclopedia entry.89.177.127.39 (talk) 08:16, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

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Like some previous editors on this page (see above), I think the first sentence is rather off-putting. I'm putting a suggested rewrite here for feedback.

Original: A manor in English law is an estate in land to which is incident the right to hold a court termed court baron, that is to say a manorial court.

Suggestion: In English law, a manor is an estate in land which includes the right to hold a manorial court. The Lord of the manor, through the manorial court, has jurisdiction over those who live within the lands of the manor.

Objections? Schazjmd  (talk)  01:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SILENCE, making the edit. Schazjmd   (talk)  21:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)