Talk:Mantle (monastic vesture)

Going over Special:Whatlinkshere/Mantle, I'm not so sure it wouldn't be better to have this page moved to Mantle (clothing), and Mantle (disambiguation) moved here. Any objections? &mdash; Itai (f&t) 22:00, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I'd support such a change. Stewart Adcock 15:36, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. In fact I got to this article from another that meant to link to the geological meaning. --mav 01:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Agree, geological mantle or even mantlepiece is more common - if it's not one of them, it should go straight to the disambig. Weebs 19:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)hi


 * Agree, This article should be moved to Mantle_(clothing) and Mantle should redirect to Mantle_(geology) or disambiguation.

The geological meaning is the most important of all the meanings.

Revision
I have done some major revising, making the article more specific to the topic of Eastern Orthodox liturgical dress, cleaning up references, and adding links to informative photos. Please review these changes before doing any moving. Also, any suggestions would be warmly appreciated. Thanks. MishaPan 01:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I have also edited the disambuguation page so that the reference to this page is clearer.MishaPan 01:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Remove Cleanup/Restructure Tag
The cleanup-restructure tag was added in November 2006. Since then the article has undergone some major re-working. If no one objects, I will probably remove this tag in a few days. MishaPan 03:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Removed tag. MishaPan 21:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

POV problem
Not that I object to a comprehensive treatment of Orthodox subjects, but this is a problem, I think. The English word "mantle" does not denote a monastic garment. While the word is probably cognate to "mandyas" it has a different history, and as long as it was in common use it remained a cloak. It seems odd to discuss it as only the Orthodox monastic garment when "mantle" is just the word used to translate the Greek or Russian. In fact the LXX doesn't say "mandyas" at 4 Kings 2:13-14, but "μηλωτὴν", "sheepskin" ; and I believe it's something similar in Hebrew. So to say that it first appears in the Old Testament at that point isn't quite the case. If that connection has been made somewhere it should probably be sourced. TCC (talk) (contribs) 19:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

It has occurred to me that the Desert Fathers used sheepskin mantles, and perhaps this might be taken as an imitation of Elias. But the modern monastic mantle is Constantipolitan in origin. (My bishop has often remarked that only in Constantinople could anyone invent a piece of clothing so impractical.) Any connection between it and the sheepskin of the Desert Fathers needs to be explicated, if it exists at all. TCC (talk) (contribs) 04:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The article could be moved to a new page named "Mandyas" (careful editing of all links to "mantle" would have to be made), and the current page used for the more common use of mantle, esp. the mantles worn by monarchs and members of orders of chivalry. MishaPan 22:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That makes a great deal of sense. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation
When I typed in "mantle" for the search I expected a disambiguation page. I was looking for the material beneath the Earth's crust. However I know that the search automatically makes my term Mantle meaning Micky Mantle was also likely to show up if not a disambiguation page. Instead I got this article, which was also a term I gave a chance to be the result, but it was third behind the Mick and the mantle associated with fireplaces.

Long story short to comply with Disambiguation; I'm moving this article to Mantle (vesture) and Mantle (disambiguation) here. When there are several well known possible meanings for one word that word is the disambiguation page. See Table. Anynobody 07:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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