Talk:Manu (Hinduism)

Flood character?
''' Manu is common in India, Iran and Germany. In Germany in ancient times Mannus was equivalent to Manu. Thuis Manu is father of Aryan Race.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.125.14.67 (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Ive read that Manu is the flood protagonist of the Hindu culture, and is also the human progenitor of Irani culture, why isnt this mentioned? Here is the connection between Manu with Noah and with Nimrod (Menes). Manu is the word we use to say man or mankind. He can therefore be Adam or he can be Noah beacuse he is the father of all. However, we have a nother Father, a Pope (or Papa) who was named Narmer (Nimrod) and in the year 350 he created the Pharaoh. This is also the year Noah died, which is therefore the incentive to unite the two families pitted against each other when Noah cursed for being defiled in his tent. Narmer named himself Men or Mena or Menes. He therefore was taking a lead to make decisions for kings, the way the Catholic Papa also does. For this reason there is confusion between the Flood year and Noah's death year. It is at Noah's death that Narmer becomes Manu, and yet Noah is recorded by descendents as being Manu at the Flood. So too it is at his death that Noah becomes V-ish-Nu (ascending man Noah) and yet it is at the Flood that Ma-Nu represents the incarnate of Vish-Nu. This is all caused by a spirit named Xisuthros who at Noah's death claimed to be Noah, despite this king dying in the Flood and returning to heaven. The spirit or last king before the Flood is therefore a liar, he is not Noah. The year 2256 of Adam is regarded as Manu's star (Men's star). It is correctly 600 years after the Flood (1656), but again this year 2256 becomes claimed as the Flood. The confusion is whether Venus or Mars as Men's star is Noah's star or Nimrod's star. So we have three years for that star, the year of Flood, the year 350 years after Flood, and the year 600 after Flood which LXX claims is year 936 or 950 after Flood. While many readers wish to know this, i find too many evil egotists who rule Wikepedia and choose for these readers by deleting this. So copies of this will be posted to show that the death of all Egypt occurred because the school priests tried to kill Moses, as you try to kill all that i say too.

laws of manu started caste system which promoted slavey to low caste. Their social status was that of insects, i.e. lower than animals.

. Varnasharama Dharma is prescribed in Hinduism. There only four varnas and each are important contributors to society. we need laborer as much as we need doctors and teachers.

Varnas -The four classes of society/The Original Caste System

Hindu society has traditionally been divided into four classes, based on profession:

the Brāhmanas (also anglicised as Brahmins): teachers and priests;

the Kshatriyas: warriors, kings and administrators;

the Vaishyas: farmers, merchants, herdsmen and businessmen; and

the Shūdras: servants and labourers and non  aryans.

Each of these classes was called a varna, and the system was called Varna Vyavasthā. Some say it is debatable whether the Varna Vyavasthā system is an integral part of Hinduism or not and whether or not it is strictly sanctioned by the scriptures. The Shruti texts make very rare mentions of this system, without providing explicit definitions. But the Bhagavad Gītā (4.13) explicitly mentions that the four varna divisions are created by Bhagavān, the Supreme Lord. And the Smṛiti texts (including the Manusmriti) are more explicit in their categorisation of the classes and framing rather strict rules about this system. During its early development, the social structure was based upon the profession. The Gītā (4.13) explicitly says that one's varna is to be understood from one's qualities and one's work, not one's birth. It is noteworthy that many great sages became Brahmins. Vishvāmitra was a Kshatriya king before he became recognized as a great Brahmin sage. Vālmiki, once a robber, became a great sage while Veda Vyāsa was the son of a fisherwoman. A hymn from the Rig Veda says : Though historians do not agree on the specific period, the social system later became hierarchical and based upon birth, leading to the evolution of several sub-castes (along with a class of outcastes — now known as Dalits — outside the Varṇa Vyavasthā) and the practice of social discrimination of the Shūdra and Dalit classes, eventually forming the caste system as we know of today.

The religious institution of Varna-ashrama Dharma is followed in most Vaishnava Sects of Hinduism. Varna is simply an occupational structure for society. In varna there are four tiers Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas,. All are important for a functioning society. You determine your varna by your skills and ability. Not by birth or race. Brahmins are all religious clergy, gurus, saints, sadhus and the intellectual class(anyone with a Ph.D or graduates degree) etc......Kshatriya are the politicians, officers, soldiers etc....Vaishya are the business men, farmers, artists/painters/photographers etc... Shudras are the working class people to poor people. Those are the only four stations in varna ashrama dharma, there higher or. Whether a society labels these position the same or not, they still exist. Every functioning society must have these positions. In hinduism being in one of these stations doesn't carry any negative connotations. It's just something that exist. It's not race based or birth based, it's based on your skill/ability. That's not only fair it's practical, IMO. In Hinduism there is no Caste, but there is Varna, which is very different system. There is more mobility and evolution with varna ashrama dharma then there is with the static cultural implementation of caste system, which evolved from varna. But it's not the same system. 68.227.171.177 04:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It is true caste discrimination is ordained by god. root=2003&leaf=11&filename=6474&filetype=html

Also, there are many people who say that Manusmriti has been rewritten many times. So, we must try to be balanced in this. When there is dispute about whether Manu wrote what is nowadays considered Manusmriti, then it has no place in this page. Remember that this is a page about Manu and NOT about Manusmriti. We can have separate page on Manusmriti and mention all points concerning it including all the controversies.

Sriksk21 06:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Sriksk21

Initiated NPOV dispute as:

 * ... the last 2 lines of the first para, "People, to create a mess often add false data which suits them. Only Hindu epics on Manu can be trusted.", are inappropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.224.25.3 (talk) 08:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The Matsya avatara of Vishnu is said to have appeared to King Manu of aryavarta, while he washed his hands in a river. This river was supposed to have been flowing down the Malaya Hills in his land of aryavarta. According to the Matsya Purana, his ship is supposed to have been perched after the deluge on the top of this Malaya Mountain. [6][7][8][9] This land or kingdom of Dravida that was ruled over by Satyavrata or Manu might have been an original, greater aryavarta, that might have stretched from Madagascar and East Africa to Southernmost India and further to Southeast Asia and Australia. The little fish asked the king to save it, and kept growing bigger and bigger. It also informed the King of a huge flood which would occur soon. The King builds a huge boat, which houses his family, 9 types of seeds, and animals to repopulate the earth. MANU RULED LAND OF DRAVIDA FUNNY DRAVIDA IS A RECENT WORD CONIED BY BRITISH THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO DRAVIDAN ETC IN ANY PURANS  MANU IS THE FIRST HUMAN AND RULED INDIA

In the savarni manu Lord Vishnu is said to be born from the womb of saraswati. Is the saraswati same as Goddesses Saraswati, consort of Lord Bhrma ??? Shaktipujari (talk) 05:25, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Old Map from Restoration Library
This important map http://restorationlibrary.org/library_restoration/AOBH/AOBH_016_A.jpg can be used to track descendants of Manu and this map http://www.jesus-kashmir-tomb.com/sitebuilder/images/Map_to_Graves-691x418.jpg support the future research. Some of Manu's descendants are life in Java and Bali. That's why Indonesian archipelago also called Nusantara derived from the word Nu. Human beings called Manungsa in Javanese-speaking (Sanskrit roots) or Manusia in Bahasa Indonesia. Manu or Mnu or Nuh or Nu are the same word just like Noah. Western researcher missed the word Nu as Mu (lost continent) a mythical continent in the Pacific Ocean. Central Java are full of ancient Hindu-Buddhist temple Candi of Indonesia. A character in Javanese mythology Semar who frequently appears in wayang shadow plays are full philosophy of Manu Smrti --Bocah anon (talk) 01:48, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thai ark
Wat Pa (Thai Forest Tradition) Neranyachara Wanaram (วัดป่าเนรัญชราวนาราม RTGS nerancharaonaram) has this ship cast of concrete to resemble an ocean-going vessel as its Phra ubosot (place of worship.) It located by Nongkhumai Village, Mu (Group) 12, Tambon Po (เป๊าะ,) Bueng Bun (บึงบูรพ์) District, Sisaket Province, Thailand. --Pawyilee (talk) 15:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Works ascribed to the Manus
This section currently states: "The texts ascribed to Manu include Manava Grihyasutra, Manava Sulbasutra and Manava Dharmashastra (Manusmṛti or "Laws of Manu")." Is this correct? Wiki-uk (talk) 05:45, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Title or name, quote from source used
Manu "A term referring to the first man, or to archetypal man. It is also the name or title of fourteen mystical rulers of the earth. According to Hindu myths and cosmological stories in the PURANAS and other texts, brahma, creator of the world, also has a beginning and an end. One lifetime of his is known as a mahakalpa, at the end of which there is a mahapralaya, or great deluge. One day of his is known as a kaipa. A kalpa consists of fourteen manvantaras, each presided over by a Manu.

The names of the fourteen Manus in each kalpa are usually given as: (1) Svayambhuva: he was born from Brahma, after Brahma had divided himself into a male and a female. His two sons were Uttanapada and Priyavarta. The ten great maharishis or Prajapatis were born from him. (2) Svarochisha: he was the son of Priyavarta. However, according to the MARKANDLYA PUR an A, he was the son of the apsara Varuthini and a gandharva. (3) Uttama (Autlami), who was another son of Priyavarta. (4) Tamasa, another son of Priyavarta. (5) Raivata, another son of Priyavarta. (6) Chakshusha, the son of Anga; or the son of Ripu, grandson of DHRUVA (7) Vaivasvata, the son of Surya or vivasvat ; (8) Sava mi or Savarna, the son of surya by chhaya; (9) Dakshasavarni or Dakshasavarna; (10) BrahmasavarniorBrahmasavama;(l 1 )Dharmasavarni or Dharmasavarna; (12) Rudrasavarni or Savarna, the son of RUDRA; (13) Rauchyadevasavarni; (14) Indr.isnvnrni nr BhaiitvM nr Uh;inmi"

So ruler would be ok, but not king. Doug Weller talk 15:10, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Manu names inconsistent spelling
There appears to be an inconsistent spelling of the Manu names found in the "List of Manus according to Source" table and the sections that follow. Even within some of the sections, spelling differs from the section label.
 * S[v|w]ayambhuva
 * S[v|w]arocisha
 * C[h]akshusha
 * [Surya] Savarni
 * etc.

I would suggest picking the more popular spelling, preferably spelled out as it sounds (i.e. "Cha" and not "Ca"). Add a "also spelled ..." statement to their respective sections and linked pages for alternative spellings? Jroberson108 (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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