Talk:Manuel Rivera-Ortiz

Publications
The subtitle "Publications with contributions by Rivera-Ortiz" does not seem to be accurate. Some books include almost entirely his work (e.g. the India book), even though there is a foreword and a postscript by others. Perhaps this paragraph should be split in "Publications by Rivera-Ortiz" and "Publications with contributions by Rivera-Ortiz". 62.167.112.12 (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Foundation Logo
The Rivera-Ortiz Foundation Logo should be updated to reflect the new foundation name (The Manuel Rivera-Ortiz Foundation for Documentary Photography & Film). Also, the foundation should probably be described in a stand-alone article. 178.38.229.42 (talk) 15:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Links/References
I would suggest to use these links in the article:
 * http://www.podcast.com/Arts/Visual-Arts/I-175947.htm
 * http://www.prixpictet.com/nominators/rivera-ortiz-manuel/

64.134.243.17 (talk) 21:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Nationality
Manuel Rivera-Ortiz was born in Puerto Rico, but has been living in he U.S. since the age of 12. He should therefore be characterized as a Puerto Rican-American.-KissmeKate (talk) 22:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

All Puerto Ricans are US citizens. 69.193.211.209 (talk) 15:28, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Reliability
There is no credibility problem. I wish all articles were equally well documented with references. -- 68.76.227.6 (talk) 20:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Using boldface to assert that that "there is no credibility problem" does not add to the persuasiveness of the assertion. Yes, some of it cites material that's linked and that we can check for ourselves. Those aside, we have the following footnotes:
 * Democrat & Chronicle April 3, 2005, pg C1
 * Metropolitan Magazine; Arts & Cultural Council, Rochester NY, cover story Spring 2007
 * ConXion Magazine, interview February 2007, pg. 10-11
 * Nueva Luz Magazine, Vol. 11, No. 2, pgs. 2-9, 2006.
 * ConXion Magazine cover story, August 2004
 * ConXion Magazine cover story August 2005, pgs. 10-11
 * Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, July 30, 2004, p. I.61 (Insider Section)
 * Democrat & Chronicle, August 27, 2004, page 24, Section I
 * Miami Herald, April 5, 2007
 * which are not linked. Now, it's perfectly acceptable to cite material that does not appear on the web but that is available in a good library. We start by assuming honesty and good faith in editors' work here, until we get around to checking in the library for ourselves.


 * A quick search reveals several websites which recognise Rivera-Ortiz as a street photographer: Here Rivera-Ortiz together with Gary Winogrand is mentioned as a classic practitioner of street photography on a website of a leading supplier of photo accessories and here  on a photographers blog on Street Photography: "Sehr eindrucksvoll sind u. a. die Bilder von Arthur Leipzig, Bruce Gilden, Manuel Rivera-Ortiz" (very impressive are amongst others the pictures of Arthur Leipzig, Bruce Gilden, Manuel Rivera-Ortiz) and here  on a website of a design agency. And this website  includes him in a list of "Top photojournalists of All Time".
 * The footnotes which are not linked seem not available online free of charge. Here is an overview of articles written about Rivera-Ortiz in the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle. Unfortunately only the abstracts are free of charge. -- ConcernedPhotographer (talk) 14:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't comment on the pieces about Rivera-Ortiz that appear in the Rochester newspaper. None of those other pieces about him that you link to impresses me. The page of "Top photojournalists of all time" is long and interesting, but it's unsigned and (for example) says nothing about the photography of Nagai other than that photography is what he was doing as he died. It includes at least one other lesser-known photographer who has been hyped (and attacked) in en:WP. The other pages seem insubstantial. &para; Again, I know little about MRO's photography. He merits an article. -- Hoary (talk) 16:36, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that Rivera-Ortiz merits an article. The article has been cleaned up and in my view the WP:COI tag can now be removed. -- ConcernedPhotographer (talk) 00:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Certainly the need for it isn't obvious. It was added in this edit by Hekerui; let's see what Hekerui has to say about it. -- Hoary (talk) 02:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * If you think the article reads fine now, then remove the note. Hekerui (talk) 08:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The article reads fine, and it neither overstates nor understates Manuel Rivera-Ortiz's work as a photographer. -- ConcernedPhotographer (talk) 12:42, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Please, just look at the last paragraph of the section "Photographic career" - purely promotional, no specifics. Hekerui (talk) 19:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The paragraph, consisting of just one sentence, is commending. However, it is fully backed up by the reference to the Zone Zero article. The article refers to a select few established documentary photographers, including Manuel Rivera-Ortiz, whose "works resulting from a documentary task are praised" in "multiple exhibits, in several continents" (hence the title "Documentary Art"). Zone Zero is a well-respected photographic site, and Robert Hirsch has referred to it as "top-notch" (Robert Hirsch, Light and Lens: Photography in the Digital Age, Amsterdam: Elsevier; Boston: Focal Press, 2007; ISBN 024080855X, p.329-330; here at Google Books, accessed 2011-01-16). As a matter of fact, it is surprising that Zone Zero has not yet earned a Wikipedia article, and I think this will be one of my next projects. -- ConcernedPhotographer (talk) 22:04, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree. I don't think the quote, as it appears in the article, is a fair representation of the source.  By splicing together material in two different paragraphs, the quote has stretched the original way out of proportion.  I think a fair reading of the source merely supports the concept that MRO has had exhibits in art museums.  Moreover, the sentence appearing in the Wiki article barely make sense.  TheMindsEye (talk) 19:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've tried to improve the language. I think the quote is a fair representation of the source. -- ConcernedPhotographer (talk) 22:34, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Social Realist
I think it is important that we mention the fact that he is a Social Realist. That only serves his right for his great work depicting social issues. -- ConcernedPhotographer (talk) 01:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, say that he's a social realist. &para; I can't say much myself, because I know little about him. People who know more than I do (and I'm sure that there are many of these) are of course welcome to build up the article about him. (They're also welcome to build up the articles on people of whom I do happen to know a little; yes, the articles on people of whom I know enough to realize that WP's articles are terrible in most senses. All we need are a few tens of thousands of man-hours.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Expansion of article
I just saw pictures of Manuel Rivera-Ortiz at the opening of Paris Photo at Grand Palais in Paris yesterday and think that the article, in particular the section about his photographic career, should be expanded. 78.249.200.166 (talk) 12:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Rivera-Ortiz's work is featured in photography classes at various universities, e.g. here. Some of these materials could be used to expand the article which still seems to be incomplete. 92.150.203.174 (talk) 14:07, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can cite openly published material from reliable sources, you are welcome to expand the article yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 15:27, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

—==Manuel Rivera-Ortiz Foundation== Shouldn't the section on the Manuel Rivera-Ortiz Foundation be expanded and become a separate stand-alone article? 93.62.138.2 (talk) 17:25, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Please let me know whether this seems reasonable. 93.62.138.2 (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The Foundation used to a stand-alone article that was deleted through the AfD process - you can review the reasons for that decision in the Logs. TheMindsEye (talk) 17:34, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for answering. These reasons seem a bit obsolete now that we have 7 references from reliable sources. Wouldn't that justify a stand-alone article by now? 93.62.138.2 (talk) 22:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The references provided so far are largely press releases, either direct from the source or recycled. If these are the best sources that exist (and I haven't looked), then it doesn't look so good. Still, if you think that an article can be made that meets Wikipedia's requirements, you're welcome to create a draft in your own userspace (e.g. User:93.62.138.2/Draft) and, when you think it's in pretty good shape, ask about it at User talk:Sandstein (since it was Sandstein who closed Articles for deletion/Manuel Rivera-Ortiz Foundation). -- Hoary (talk) 00:50, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

The section on the Manuel Rivera-Ortiz Foundation should be expanded. Also, the exhibitions section needs to be updated. There are shows in Arles, Brussels, Paris and China and maybe others that should be included. ConcernedPhotographer (talk) 14:31, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * there is an upcoming exhibition at Paris Photo in November. 93.95.238.92 (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The Manuel Rivera-Ortiz Foundation for Documentary Photography & Film article covers the Foundation. But please go ahead and add more exhibitions, thank you. -Lopifalko (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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